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What a nice mount, it will perfectly fit with my just bought SF2V and my irresistible attraction for being involved in hot affairs. An exemplary readme, as always with your products Wrench. Thank you for both.

A ressource about DDR's helicopters, very detailled, as it talks about chopper dynamics and flying but also details the training and career of the pilots. In an ever closer relationship to your ongoing project, it offers some nice details about the Military Doctrine of the Warsaw Pact, the USSR and East Germany and the army helicopter airfields, both "fixed", aka peacetime airfields, and prepared helicopter landing sites, from which chopper would do their business. http://nva-flieger.de/ (in German but if necessary, the Google's translation to English is intelligible enough)

Some intels about Czech Migs: http://www.valka.cz/clanek_10770.html http://www.valka.cz/clanek_10623.html Original source: http://combatace.com/index.php?app=downloads&module=display&section=findpost&id=1257

Meteor F.8 in Belgian service, Interceptor role, squadron codes. In the Belgian Air Force, the Meteor F.8 have been used in operational service from March 1951 to July 1958 and have been used in a target towing role until 1963, first at Sylt (Germany) and then at Solenzara (Corsica). Please note that because of the everyday life's hazard, an aircraft often worn several squadron codes during its service time. On the other hand, several aircrafts never received any code (as far as my sources know). In other words, there's no logic in there. ;) 1st Wing (Beauvechain) 4th Sqn (from ??/??, 1953 to November ??, 1956) SV-A EG-39, EG-100 SV-B EG-140, EG-252 SV-D EG-236, EG-247 SV-E EG-251 SV-G EG-171, EG-172 SV-I EG-45, EG-250 SV-J EG-257 SV-K EG-50 SV-M EG-243 SV-N EG-241 SV-O EG-244, EG-245, EG-248 SV-P EG-148 SV-Q EG-254 SV-S EG-255 SV-U EG-258 SV-W EG-249 SV-Y EG-253 SV-Z EG-256 349th Sqn (from ??/??, 1953 to November ??, 1956) GE-A EG-204, EG-234 GE-D EG-105, EG-141 GE-F EG-204, EG-228 GE-G EG-51, EG-229 GE-H EG-237 GE-I EG-13 GE-J EG-169, EG-242 GE-K EG-224, EG-236, EG-241 GE-L EG-121 GE-M EG-225, EG-239 GE-O EG-233 GE-R EG-235 GE-S EG-238 GE-V EG-101 GE-W EG-91, EG-172 GE-Y EG-232 GE-Z EG-173, EG-179 350th Sqn (from May 9, 1951 to November ??, 1956) MN-A EG-45, EG-145, EG-212, EG-244 MN-B EG-76, EG-168, EG-169, EG-207 MN-C EG-93, EG-209, EG-220 MN-D EG-13, EG-120, EG-170, EG-210 MN-E EG-12, EG-90, EG-201 MN-F EG-97, EG-205, EG-242 MN-G EG-51, EG-95, EG-146 MN-H EG-119, EG-202 MN-I EG-203 MN-K EG-50, EG-204, EG-244 MN-L EG-142 MN-L EG-206 MN-M EG-92, EG-219 MN-N EG-160 MN-O EG-94, EG-167 MN-P EG-98, EG-208, EG-233 MN-R EG-103, EG-211 MN-S EG-10, EG-61, EG-218 MN-T EG-213 MN-V EG-214 MN-X EG-215 MN-Y EG-104, EG-216 MN-Z EG-171, EG-217 13th Wing (Brustem) 25th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to July 1, 1958) K5-A EG-34, EG-94, EG-145, EG-254 K5-D EG-259 K5-E EG-89, EG-250 K5-F EG-10 K5-G EG-143 K5-H EG-17, EG-114 K5-J EG-73, EG-178 K5-K EG-124, EG-162, EG-224 K5-L EG-52, EG-249 K5-M EG-228 K5-O EG-87 K5-P EG-230 K5-Q EG-42 K5-R EG-109 K5-S EG-220 K5-T EG-236 K5-U EG-68 K5-V EG-112 K5-W EG-24, EG-241 K5-Y EG-233 K5-Z EG-214 29th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to July 1, 1958) VT-A EG-99 VT-D EG-255 VT-E EG-36, EG-38, EG-90 VT-F EG-164 VT-G EG-34 VT-J EG-175 VT-K EG-28, EG-207 VT-N EG-252 VT-P EG-240 VT-Q EG-41 VT-R EG-45 VT-Z EG-19 33th Sqn (from December 28, 1953 to May 2, 1957) MS-A EG-101, EG-127 MS-C EG-113 MS-D EG-118, EG-259 MS-F EG-67 MS-G EG-47 MS-K EG-72 MS-L EG-33 MS-M EG-59 7th Wing (Chièvres) 7th Sqn (from March 1, 1951 to June 12, 1956) 7J-. EG-26 7J-A EG-7, EG-39, EG-66 7J-B EG-11, EG-64, EG-146 7J-C EG-15, EG-34, EG-155 7J-D EG-13 7J-E EG-17 7J-F EG-9, EG-58 7J-G EG-19, EG-52, EG-73 7J-H EG-37, EG-70, EG-145 7J-J EG-31, EG-49, EG-62 7J-K EG-55, EG-69 7J-L EG-122 7J-L EG-29 7J-N EG-65, EG-77 7J-O EG-130 7J-P EG-18, EG-71 7J-Q EG-161 7J-R EG-16, EG-56, EG-150 7J-S EG-8 7J-T EG-28 7J-V EG-6, EG-27 7J-X EG-14 8th Sqn (from July 16, 1951 to November 1, 1956) OV-. EG-1 OV-A EG-3, EG-164 OV-B EG-32 OV-C EG-25 OV-D EG-5 OV-E EG-40 OV-J EG-178 OV-M EG-23 OV-N EG-136 OV-P EG-4, EG-152 OV-Q EG-2 OV-R EG-75 OV-S EG-146 9th Sqn (from March 17, 1952 to March 15, 1957) S2-B EG-132 S2-E EG-20 S2-L EG-46 S2-M EG-96 S2-O EG-19, EG-139, EG-180 Voila. There are other units that rode the Meteor but it was episodically, the Bierset's 9th Wing for example, or not in a combat role so I haven't included them. Sources: "Luchtstrijdkrachten België, Vliegtuig- en registratieoverzicht 1945-2007" by Daniel Brackx http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be

You probably do but it always worth to be sure. You already know these two things, right? Military Airfield Directory http://www.mil-airfi...de/index-en.htm Warsaw Pact Order of Battle - June 1989: http://www.scribd.co...attle-June-1989 Orbat VVS & PVO 1991 http://www.mediafire...tVVSPVO1991.doc

That sound to be a great project you have there. What are you still searching for actually? Maybe that I could give you an hand on it. About the "right" platform to simulate an in depth Cold war era Central European conflict in the air, I'm not sure that any commercial sim is fit, even if a "wargame" like Harpoon can do it but the whole fun part of flying is then missing, so probably that SF could be pushed far enough, as NF did somewhat, to suit such tastes. Have you read the page titled "The Air Assets of the Western Groupof Forces" on the 16va.be website? It gives nice details about the location of the aerial units given their roles.

Great discovery SFP1Ace and thank you for the "SFized" orbats! Would you have such a piece of marvel for the fifties? PS: by the way, if you have any difficulty to understand some text wrote in French, feel free to ask me for a translation, it will be my pleasure. Merry Xmas

I'm no expert at badges but it's probably the Squadron's insignia, the Eagle. Here are the Belgian squadron's insignias, from the horse's mouth. Air Component Subject Squadron insignia Cheers

Hello paulopanz, yes, this orbat is from "Belgian Military Aviation, 1945-1977 by Paul A. Jackson", a very nice source, especially from that time. From the 1st January to November 1956, they have been some changes, that's why the orbat I suggested is a bit different. The below websites are good sources too and I also use a book in Flemish that list all crafts flown by the BAF from 1945 to 2007, "Luchtstrijdkrachten België" by Daniel Brackx, whom also manage the last website listed. To make your work easier, I'm gonna list each aircraft's squadron code in a table sorted by squadron rather than by serial numbers, as they are in the book. Expect it in a few days. http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be http://www.baha.be http://belmilac.wetpaint.com/ The F-84F is already receiving some care from an experienced skinner so, yeah, if you want to offer a nice dress to the Hunter, that would be great. 1956 is the year the BAF reached its paroxysm, since in 1957 squadrons started to be disbanded, and in these years, circa 1955, it was somewhat the only Western European Air force totally focused on the Central European theater, Great-Britain, France and Netherlands being busy in their colonies. PS: these are F.4 but the roundels can be clearly seen (1949) In 1952, and so on the F.8, as seen below, the wing roundel's shape were different though: About mixed metal and NATO camo schemes, here are F.8 flight lines Source: http://www.sergebonfond.be/ @ Spinners: I called the Belgian Cyclism League (http://www.belgiancycling.be) and they weren't able to give me a firm answer, the guy who could have being in holiday. I'll call them again early January 2011 and will keep you informed.

Buongiorno paulopanz, you are right about the 1st and 13th Wings but in 1956, the 7th Wing were on Hunter F.4, as far as I know of course. http://combatace.com/topic/60951-sf2-europe-expansion-2-campaign-flyable-aircraft-tweak-11-nato/page__view__findpost__p__459500 I'll PM you the references I have about the Meteor. Cheers

Thanks for the effort guyran, it's refreshing to be able to play the other side. That said, i'm having issues with mixed squadrons in the way that, for example, Jordanians squadrons are operating from Egypt, or Syrian from Jordania. Nothing major but, well, the immersion is somewhat broken. I'm no expert at campaign modding but may it be because in the Arab 6d_DATA.INI file, all the Arab nations are defined as a single force ([Force002]) rather than a distinct one, for example [Force003] for Syria and so forth?

Hello Spinners, on the roundels and on the Air Force's flag, as far as I know, it's in memoriam to the Belgian section of the Royal Air Force. Not sure about the cycling team though. Here is the official story: The history of the Belgian Air Force banner PS: it seems that the "retro blue" colour used by the Cycling Team isn't linked to the Air Force, I'll contact them to confirm but I haven't found any relation on their website.

Good job paulopanz! However, there's a little something I would like to mention about the BAF 13° Wg. Camo (BAFCamo1)'s NUMBERS.LST that sets the squadron's code to B2. This code belonging to the Target Towing Flight, it doesn't fit very well to a Fighter wing. As, from the 13th Wing, you already have the 33° SQ. (code MS), you are left with the 25th SQ. (code K5) and the 29th SQ. (code VT). Though please note that the 33° SQ. have been disbanded in May 1957 and the remaining 25° and 29° squadrons were disbanded in July 1958, effectively ending the operational Meteor F.8's career amongst the BAF. About the registration numbers, EG-20 to EG-119, I can tell you what was the squadron code of each aircraft if you want to go a little bit deeper in historicity. By the way, at that era, there was a thin light blue edging on the Belgian roundel, as it can be seen on the below picture: This nice pic can be seen at http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be and others can also be seen at http://belmilac.wetp...ster+Meteor+F.8 As a side note for the the campaign builder, be advised that the NATO camo scheme started to be painted on the planes from the second half of 1956 but a few silver scheme were still seen in the years after. Cheers

Hello 177thBadger, what about going the other way and telling us first what you think is missing, or may be improved, from your game for you to have fun? That way, the local experten may formulate pinpointed advices. To say it with another words, I'm not convinced that there are mods that you really must have to have fun. On the other hand, there are very well crafted mods around, certainly those suggested by the other posters, but there are so much mods available that if you don't wanna spend days installing them, you have first to ask yourself what you wanna improve, in my humble opinion, of course. If you are already satisfied with your game but that you want write somekind of a mod guide for the greenhorns, I would suggest to elaborate it like a flowchart. Best regards

Hello gents, by reading the book "Mirage III vs MiG-21" in the Duel serie, by Shlomo Aloni, it appear to me some details that I wasn't aware of previously, since all I read on the topic were either not mentioning it at all or were either unclear on the subject. I probably haven't read the right books though. First, the only Mig-21 versions in use were the F-13, one of which have been "donated" by an Iraqi defector in 1966, deeply examined and eventually used in QRA duty to intercept high flying Mig performing recon missions, and the FL/PF version. The PFM version came in later. Only the Egyptian would had been equipped with the FL/PF version. Second, the Shafrir 2 AAM were not yet in use, it was introduced to service in 1969. At the time of the Six-Day War, only the Rafael Shafrif 1 and the Matra R-530, known locally as the "Yahalom", were in use. Both were notably unreliable in operational conditions. Third, that the R-3S (AA-2) AAM were "superior" to the Shafrir, so much that once the advancing Israeli troops captured an EAF depot, at El Malif, in which several Atoll were stored, the Shahak were hastily modified to carry them. Could anyone confirm these three assumptions with, if possible, sources to backup?

Interesting FastCargo! May you please detail how you achieved that? By the way, I found a confirmation of the operationnal use of this bomb in the book "Dassault Mirage: The Combat Log" by Salvador Mafe Huertas, page 41. The weapon is simply called "Runway Piercing Bomb" (RPB). It have been developped by IMI in cooperation with Matra. The total number of weapons in stock was 253 bombs of two sub types, with 169 being dropped the first day of the war. It had a major deficiency in that its drag was considerably higher than a regular iron bomb, thus decreasing the radius of action of the carrying aircraft. Have a nice day.

Hello FC, well spotted, they are quite similar, good enough for a convincing fake, thank you! Cheers

Here are some Belgian details for the '86 campaign. (I'm posting it here since it's the lmost recent NF4 related thread, if it's a U turn, please correct me). Belgian Air Force '86 1st Wing (Beauvechain) 349th Sqn ( F-16A Block 10 ) 350th Sqn ( F-16A Block 10 ) 2nd Wing (Florennes) 1st Sqn ( Mirage 5BA ) 2nd Sqn ( Mirage 5BA ) 3rd Wing (Bierset) 8th Sqn ( Mirage 5BA ) 42nd Sqn ( Mirage 5BR ) 10th Wing (Kleine-Brogel) 23rd Sqn ( F-16A Block 15 ) 31st Sqn ( F-16A Block 15 ) Notes: all Mirage 5BA were equipped with an ECM suite from the early '80, it was the Loral' Rapport II (may also have equipped the Israelis F-16A) the F-16A Block 1 and 5 have been upgraded to Block 10 standard in '81 the weapons used were the AIM-9P, the Mk-82 (with BSU-49RT "AIR", MAU-93RT "Low drag" and Mk-15RT "Snakeye" tails fins) on the F-16A the BLU-109 may also have been used from '85 the Mirage 5BA also used the BL755 and the TBA-68 Rockets the F-16 Block 10 were point defense fighters, the Block 15 were also qualified for Air to Ground missions. On the ground, the Army had 2 AAA Battalions with 27 Gepard each and two SAM Battalions with 24 I-hawk each, and the Air Force had two Missile Wings with 18 Nike-Hercules each. Sources: NATO Orbat '89 http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be http://www.baha.be http://www.mil.be http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=165477 Cheers

Hello ArturR, it should be displayed on the left MFD, ref. 10 and 11 on the below pic. Source: http://www.freefalco...ead.php?t=15794

hello JonathanRL, thanks for leading the way. Here are some references about Belgian and Dutch air forces at that time. (It already have been posted in a NF4 related thread but I realized that you were somewhat ahead so I want to be sure that you get the intels) Belgian orbat for November 1956. Belgian Military Aviation* Parade at Brustem, 1956 1st Wing (Beauvechain) 4th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 10th Sqn ( Meteor NF.11 ) 11th Sqn ( Meteor NF.11 ) 349th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 350th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 2nd Wing (Florennes) 1st Sqn ( F-84F ) 2nd Sqn ( F-84F ) 3rd Sqn ( F-84F ) 7th Wing (Chièvres) 7th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 8th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 9th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 9th Wing (Bierset) 22nd Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 26th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 30th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 10th Wing (Kleine Brogel, prev. Geilenkirchen) 23rd Sqn ( F-84F ) 27th Sqn ( F-84F ) 31th Sqn ( F-84F ) 13th Wing (Brustem) 25th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 29th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 33rd Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) Independent ( Wahn) 42nd Sqn ( RF-84F ) Notes: not yet officially known as "Belgian Air Force" until 1959, the ranks were RAF's style the F-84F had a Fighter-Bomber role but it's not until 1960 that a nuclear QRA were planned. From June 1956, all planes were painted to NATO standard and their Sqn code were painted in white on the nose. Sources: Belgian Military Aviation, 1945-1977 by Paul A. Jackson http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be http://www.baha.be KLu Orbat (based on the January 1955 orbat) F-84F 311, 312 and 313 Sqn at Volkel 314, 315 and 315 Sqn at Eindhoven RF-84F 306 Sqn at Laarbuch Hunter F.4 (not sure they were all converted, some may still fly the Meteor F.8) 322 and 327 Sqn at Soesterberg 323, 324 and 325 Sqn at Leeuwarden 326 and 328 Sqn at Woensdrecht Cheers

Now you have ;) They were delivered unpainted but this was soon changed and by the third quarter of 1956, they were painted to the Nato standard and had their cod painted in white. Source: http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=336&Itemid=468 Cheers

hello my dear neighbour, here is what I get from Dutch Military Aviation, 1945-1978 by Paul A. Jackson. KLu Orbat (base are from the 1955 orbat, may have moved in '56) F-84F 311, 312 and 313 Sqn at Volkel 314, 315 and 315 Sqn at Eindhoven RF-84F 306 Sqn at Laarbuch Meteor F.8 (withdrawn in 1958, being replaced by Hunters but Hunter F.4 being delivered from 1956. require some crosschecking) 322 and 327 Sqn at Soesterberg 323, 324 and 325 Sqn at Leeuwarden 326 and 328 Sqn at Woensdrecht Cheers

Hello Gents, for what It's worth, here is the Belgian orbat for November 1956. Belgian Military Aviation* Parade at Brustem, 1956 1st Wing (Beauvechain) 4th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 10th Sqn ( Meteor NF.11 ) 11th Sqn ( Meteor NF.11 ) 349th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 350th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 2nd Wing (Florennes) 1st Sqn ( F-84F ) 2nd Sqn ( F-84F ) 3rd Sqn ( F-84F ) 7th Wing (Chièvres) 7th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 8th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 9th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 9th Wing (Bierset) 22nd Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 26th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 30th Sqn ( Hunter F.4 ) 10th Wing (Kleine Brogel, prev. Geilenkirchen) 23rd Sqn ( F-84F ) 27th Sqn ( F-84F ) 31th Sqn ( F-84F ) 13th Wing (Brustem) 25th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 29th Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) 33rd Sqn ( Meteor F.8 ) Independent ( Wahn) 42nd Sqn ( RF-84F ) Notes: not yet officially known as "Belgian Air Force" until 1959, the ranks were RAF's style the F-84F had a Fighter-Bomber role but it's not until 1960 that a nuclear QRA were planned. From June 1956, all planes were painted to NATO standard and their Sqn code were painted in white on the nose. Sources: Belgian Military Aviation, 1945-1977 by Paul A. Jackson http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be http://www.baha.be

Hello all, I'm facing the same issue while using the last CatPack.exe. Would be there a solution? Cheers Edit1:Oh sorry, forgot to mention the details. I'm on Win XP Pro SP3, the game is StrikeFighters2 Europe, Exp2, Israel merged. Edit2: Nevermind, the file I obtained from SF2 Europe installation in a seperate folder is sane and have been correctmy unpacked. Thanks for answering anyway MigBuster.

What an helpful mod Christian59! However, I'm not able able to make it work with SF2 series. I put it in my "mod folder"'s Flight folder but the comms structure isn't affected ingame. Am I doing something wrong? Best regards