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No VP, not directing that at you. Just saying before it gets bad.

Heh. Sorry. You are correct. You cannot play the WHOLE campaign in offline mode. As an aside, OVS, probably best to lock this thread. No one really cares about discussing RoF here. After all, we're here to discuss OFF. Likely, this thread will just degrade into hostility and inflammatory remarks.

I I installed it from my copy of the DVD. No need for a mothership… I loaded my copy from the DVD drive to the HD, then loaded it from the HD and played it…. No need for a mothership… I loaded the game offline, played single player missions offline, then without reconnecting, played another one offline. It is true that the campaign mode requires a mission update online between missions. With all the other modes available offline, this isnt that big of a deal IMO. You do have to download a patch to play offline, but all patches for all games need to be downloaded, or sent to you from a friend who himself downloaded it and put it on a CD for you. I’m unsure where you get your information from….but it’s somewhat inaccurate. You’re spreading misinformation. Here's the official news release from Neoqb if you want to know the actual state of offline play: http://riseofflight....gs/default.aspx Hope that helps.

Yes, this was an excellent move by Neoqb! The new Quick Mission mode with the varying wind, turbulence, weather, specific skins for opponents, etc, is OUTSTANDING! This is untrue. I just played the Hat in the Ring campaign offline a few minutes ago. It is true, tho, that to progress after a mission, you must reconnect to the master server, so you have to play the campaign piecemeal offline...which could be a drag if you have a net connection issue. There's lots to do offline, though, as you can also play the Quick Missions, the various scenarios and "fly now" situations offline. True, you must patch the game online, but ALL games are patched online now, including OFF.

Some have noted that poor sound drivers for their Creative SB is the issue here. I have an X-Fi SB card, and have never had these problems. However, others have disabled their SB sound card and used the onboard sound of their MB and had brilliant success with more fps and silky smooth performance because of it. The Creative SB drivers are poor to say the least. I'm Running XP 32bit if that makes a difference. Hope this helps.

well, I guess that settles it. Sorry I posted.

I didnt mean to offend anyone. Just please keep your minds/eyes open. and FWIW I'm an OFF fanboy too I stand up for OFF as well, since it has so much to offer, and is fun, and I'll stand up for RoF also. I'm also a RoF fanboy, however, for the simple reason that I love to fly biplanes, especially with and against others.

What "seems" to be inferior, isnt. I'm sorry. I've read all the fanboy reactions in the threads over the last couple of months, and am dismayed at the lack of open mindedness. Very surpised actualy, and not a little disgusted. Watch this on youtube: Certainly not a comprehensive video, but it shows just a small amount of the detail and scenery in RoF. OFF isnt the best scenery. Not by a LONG shot. It's outstandingly detailed, and with so much dynamic action going on, it's very immersive. However, I've played both....a lot. And I have a system that can really show what each game can do. Dont fool yourself. You can say it if you really want to believe it, but it doesnt make it so.

Ahhhh, Wooden Ships and Iron Men! I really enjoyed that game...so many variables, grapeshot/roundshot/etc....heh! It was the only game that could equal Richtofen's War for 2nd place among the Avalon bookshelf games (though as I recall, it wasnt in the same shape as RW...bigger box for the board IIRC). The BEST bookshelf game of all time? drumroll... Kingmaker!

I think they realize that we'll pay for any addition, if only for the hope that it will fuel/fund their work on future OFF material. It's really a statement of trust in the devs...that whatever they do, it will be outstanding and more fun. I know that's how I feel...

great catch! Yes, the thach weave was what I was referring to. Tactics like this are only going to work if two pilots are working together, which a number of the RoF german squadrons do. With so many good pilots here, it would be a lot of fun to be able to fly together, against human opponents!

A while back someone posted a link to a great demonstration of flight maneuvers. I think it was a flash video. You chose a manoever, like split S, then it showed a 2d plane performing the maneuver. Does anyone have that link? Thanks!

Yeah, you're right. We need Home Boy to make some more instructional videos for us. Where'd he go anyway? Maybe someone else will rise to the challenge?

Yes, the engines can be very finicky, particularly to over revving in dives. The se5a will start to make that "Klank clink" sound if you run it too hot, etc. Yes, I'd like to fly with the OFF crowd! Maybe not in a squadron (would that make us the Black Sheep Squadron?), but certainly for an occasional flight. I need someone to fly cover for those train missions! 2 SE5a fighters with bombs going low and fast will bring in the Dr1s, but if we had a couple of spad XIIIs flying cover, it would be all over for the train and it's german henchmen! I'd also like to try flying with a wingman who can do the scissor type of trap. I fly low, when the enemy drops in behind me, I cut over and back, while my wingman cuts back and over, essentially bringing my enemy into his sites for a full side view every few seconds (I saw this on a you tube video).

thanks! Yeah the one I wanted has no link anymore. I searched but couldnt find it. The training videos in the knowledge base are interesting, but I'd like to see more of the manoevers being executed, in addition to the Hammerhead and wingover that HB did. Anyone want to give us a display? :) Any other links that might help? EDIT--I found this youtube clip of IL2 I think. It shows Scissors, and rolling scissors from about the 2 min mark:

Yeah, I was a wings pilot on my amiga 500, BUT, BEFORE that (Does this make me the grandpa of all ww1 sim junkies?): The original Red Baron game in the arcades....you actually sat in the booth, leaning back, as stick planes came at you (ala battlezone style graphics). Great stuff! and BEFORE THAT: Richtofen's War (the Avalon Hill bookcase game). (wish I still had that game, just for the manuel that had such great detail on each plane and its strengths/weaknesses.)

I've been having quite a bit of fun flying team co-op missions in RoF. One mission in particular has the Allies trying to take out a train before it gets to a certain destination. The Central pilots have to defend the train. It's set in rolling hills covered with trees and a large river. VERY fun. I called my buddy today, the one who I bought a copy of OFF for, and told him to get RoF so we could fly as wingmates, and take out a few trains :) In the same breath I told him he needed OFF for playing solo, with the outstanding campaign, when he just needed some air time and a respite from his rough schedule. When we can coordinate schedules to fly, and have a tasty single malt scotch at the same time, while talking smack over skype/teamspeak, it'll be an outstanding event. I guess my point is well illustrated by my two cars: my Honda SUV that my wife drives, which is a very safe vehicle and one that is comfortable, and my old honda accord...20 years old, and not very sexy, but it gets me to work every day and hasnt let me down. The AC blows good and cold too. I dont think I could manage without either vehicle. For $20, you're really missing something (if your pc can handle it). If your pc cant handle it atm, then in the future when you upgrade, it'll be a good and well worth it purchase. BTW, one of the things about how great OFF is, is the community. I've learned so much here, and received very helpful assistance with all my questions. Not many communities are mature and respectful like this one. Add in the very uber-cool Devs, and it's just another great slice of pie for ww1 pilot wannabes... :D S!

the record option RoF is AMAZING!

The great thing about OFF is that the whole of Europe is moving around...tanks, trucks, soldiers, etc. Was just tweaking the new 195 drivers with nhancer, and wow OFF looks better than ever. RoF is well worth the $20, if only for the amazing graphics in flight, as well as the stunning cockpits and skins....and mp (especially when they get the dogfight servers up). RoF is certainly a work in progress....and it has a ways to go, and it certainly can take a few tips from OFF on campaign and gameworld activity of the ai. FWIK, the RoF DRM is basically that you are connected to the net all the while that you are flying. The game resides on your HD. If their servers go down, you can't fly. I've had this happen a couple of times. However, as was stated above, they are developing (or considering) an offline mode, which would do away with the always connected thing.

A number of stuttering issues in RoF have been tracked down to being caused by sound card drivers, particularly SB cards. Try, deleting your sound card and drivers, then reinstalling the sound card and let windows 7 load it's own drivers...then try OFF. Hope that helps.

I got a snall bonus from work and was thinking of getting a throttle... How many of you use throttle's for OFF, and which do you use? I dont want to strap it to the desk, so the throttle quadrant, while seemingly the best option, isnt too practical for me...tho I could make it work. I found a saitek PZ45 new for $50. (is there a difference from the regular saitek flight controls throttle quadrant, and the pz45?) The saitek X52 looks great but comes with the joystick, which I dont need (have 2 MS FF2 sticks)...and is about $150. Are there any other options for throttles that you recommend? or should I be happy with the saitek pz45 for $50? thanks!

thanks for the info Steve. FFB is the absolute must for me, and I have 2 of the greatest sticks ever made: MS FFB2 I have a throttle on the stick, but want an alternative to using the KB keys for the mixture and radiator. If there was another FFB stick out there, I'd seriously consider it...

Bought and am dl'ing HitR now. I held off until now, partly because of the limited downloads of the xpack. My life's been uber busy lately, and I dont have much time for OFF, tho I have flown a bit of RoF , which is nice for a quick flight. I didnt want to buy the xpack until I had the time to dl and install it and then burn it to a cd and play a little. I likely wont have much chance to play it, but I'll make sure it's running OK today. I guess the point I'm trying to make is: I would have bought the xpack right away, were it not for the limit. I whole heartedly DISAGREE with having to pay for future downloads...and was torn: I want to support OBD's efforts, especially in light of future additions to OFF, even tho I'm pretty much not interested at all in the xpack. My appreciation for OBD won out and I'm paying for the xpack, despite my lack of interest. (EDIT: to clarify: I'm not interested in the new planes all that much. I AM interested in the updated graphics, and wind effects.) It's my hope that future expansions will NOT have a download limit. I've bought quite a few programs via digital download, GoG, steam, and impulse/stardock. Each of these media allow me to download my purchases into the future with no added cost. Why should I have to pay, or even burn a CD in case of future needs? (and only 2 weeks to download, with a 3 time limit? seriously? SERIOUSLY?? ) Likely there are quite a few things that forced this result, and I dont need to know what they are. I'm disgruntled, but appreciate your fine work OBD. Hopefully this wont be an issue with future releases, and I can just buy them immediately, regardless of the time frame issues I may be facing.

I'm very happy with the value of HitR. This is just a fantastic sim that keeps getting better.

and, just for the record, HatR flies great, and looks very good. Actually had a burning hanger, with a couple of smoking planes on my airfield in a scramble mission. And, the EV is great. Good work OBD!