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Interesting footage thanks Just goes to show that deciding what to believe from any source can be difficult. So much information but what is really happening out there? You could also say - did CNN know it wasnt Gori or were they just handed the footage and told it was in Gori? - lets face it who in CNN looking at the film would know where the footage was from let alone anyone watching.

Nice - done with a distinct tongue in cheek style - Might see if hes done something comparing to when the British were last in Afghanistan :)

Lets try to keep this a bit shorter: No one on here is deluded enough to think that if we drop arms - every other nation will do the same. I understood the policy of preemptive intervention well - it removed dictators from Sierra Leone and Serbia quickly. I was for going into Iraq to remove Saddam/WMDs and securing energy supplies (if anyone thinks that energy isnt in our interests then think again) - despite whether or not those countries were involved - and the dodgy legality issues The military invasion was a success - what followed was either the biggest miscalculation of all time - or somebody really didnt give 2 **** for the Iraqi people and serving forces (btw if you find an Iraqi that is happy to be liberated - let us know wont you) What really ***** me off about the Georgian situation is the doubles standards and hypocrisy of the public statements by our so called leaders Now they are clearly on Georgias side - on what basis - thats right Georgia is a democracy??. So is a Democracy with a lunatic despot - who starts a war expecting us to back him up against Russia ok then??? I think you will find it isnt in any way - that is a bridge to ****** far. George Bush has been weilding the sword of power like a 1 armed Monkey with a hand grenade in his time - not just at the cost of lives - but current and future relationships between countries. Gordon Brown (who was NOT elected by us btw) has been no better with his comments. Im not defending Russias actions in any way - im just not stooping to the blatant levels of hypocrisy that my glorious leaders are. thats politics folks - and it sucks!!!

Gepard - thanks for vetoing Georgia out of NATO -btw all hail Ger... do you think we can trust you enough to pull our troops out

Style over substance! bit shallo.... actually cant talk being in the UK - where its everything :)

Hopefully its over - hooray for now anyway Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, the Kremlin says. He told officials he had taken the decision to end the campaign after restoring security for civilians and peacekeepers in South Ossetia. However, Russia has been highly critical of Georgia's leadership, and there were no signs of imminent talks. BBC

You are right about the Soviet propaganda - and it was made clear to us that thats all it was at the time - it was only after the end the cold war the majority of western people got to see the actual state of what it was like over there. I just cant see that any conventional engagement against Russia wouldnt be a real war - their missile tech is excellent - I really dont think effective close Air Support could be given by launching standoff weapons from 20000 ft, 15 miles away with ground based FACs only. Air superiority would be VERY hard to achieve over their territory -mainly due to missiles - and we are not talking about a centralised C&C structure with modified obsolete SA-2/6s backed up by SA-16s here - you could be looking at any Satelites being blinded or taken out for a start and an enemy that knows a bit about electronic warfare and has had many years to watch and learn from its mistakes. Its defo not propaganda about systems like the S-300/S-400 unless the propaganda is being put out by our guys to worry us. It really doesnt even bear thinking about the bloodbath that the ground war would be.....and I would certainly never underestimate them based on the hilariously one sided conflicts of recent times. anyway - the beat goes on: "Russian-backed rebels in Abkhazia say they have begun an operation against Georgian forces, as UN moves to achieve a ceasefire failed to make progress. The rebels say they are trying to push Georgian forces from a strategic gorge in the west of the breakaway province. France's president is visiting Russia and Georgia on Tuesday, despite Russian criticism of a new draft UN resolution. In Georgia, troops have withdrawn to positions around the capital, Tbilisi, to defend against any Russian assault. Reports say that Russian troops now control many key bridges and roads across Georgia, leaving the capital isolated. Many residents have been stocking up with food and fuel, and correspondents in Tbilisi say there have been clear signs of panic and confusion in the city. US President George W Bush meanwhile has strongly attacked what he called Russia's "invasion". Mr Bush said the Russian actions in Abkhazia and the other breakaway province of South Ossetia were "unacceptable in the 21st Century" and that Moscow was guilty of a "dramatic and brutal escalation". " http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7555359.stm

Trust me the Soviet Union was always portrayed as a place you just would never want to go let alone live during the cold war years - not quite sure how or why you got the idea it was ever portrayed as a Utopia? The casualties really would be unbelievable in a conventional war - especially over that terrain - and there is no way you could ever compare it to the 1 sided Iraq fiasco with their army out in the Desert and practically no Air support.

Emotional Georgian press: IRAKLI ALADASHVILI IN GEORGIA'S KVIRIS PALITRA Georgia is presently alone in the fight against a huge country like Russia. In truth, we should not pin too much hope on lazy old Europe. Countries that have experienced the grip of Russia's tentacles... are likely to give us stronger moral and, more importantly, material support than Germany, France or Italy... Immediate deployment of US armed units in Georgia is the best option today. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7554065.stm Im kinda thinking that "Immediate deployment of US armed units in Georgia is NOT the best option today"

I Know my friend - but im not sure anyone can see the US as being weak politically or militarily - particularly when any front opened against Russia might not involve conventional forces only.

Think they own most of London too now - maybe an offensive will be launched from Chelsea FC to crush Arsenal FC once and for all :)

Lol - weve still got around 20,000 troops in Germany it seems.

Long distances are not fun - dont think they are in real life either tbh from what ive read - the biggest killer though is time available for sorties. If you have a fast PC you can bump the time accel up to x16 etc which is what I often use. if using alt+n move the IP waypoint on the map to a low ground area before the mission.

We have had pretty positive reports of normal Russian life the past few years - has problems but there are a lot more happy normal Russians these days - and they seem to love this Putin bloke - are there any Russians on here that can comment on this??. Thats quite a statement to make - US is no more weak than its ever been surely - if being weak is not threatening military action against Russia but keeping them in check then so be it. Despite whos in power Russia is quite an important partner in regards to negotiating with both North Korea and Iran it would appear.

Cant comment there tbh <cough>

That guy has to be taken out of there - at least given a backroom role where he cant keep f***** everything up for Georgia. The published speech above is nice im sure but still involves scaremongering - "Fall of the West in the Former Soviet Union???" wtf Is he implying we are forcing shambolic democracy onto countries just to get a strategic foothold in that region (and stir everything up)? hmmm

Well money talks - we know that much - however we also know that the people who have it wont give it to Russia

hmmm Really not sure how much of this I believe tbh - georgia driving back a Russian offensive??? Mr Saakashvili said that Russian troops came within three miles of Gori before being driven back a distance of 12 miles by a Georgian counter-attack. But journalists on the scene are deeply skeptical of this account. There is no independent evidence that a large scale battle against a major Russian offensive took place outside Gori. Mr Saakashvili added that "90 per cent" of the casualties suffered by Georgia were civilians. "They are specifically targeting civilian targets. They've been targeting highways in Georgia which are especially crowded at this time of year because of returning holidaymakers," he said. But the main highway bisecting Georgia from East to West and running through Gori remains open. Russia appears to have refrained from severing this key artery, suggesting that its forces are showing some restraint. The Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin accused the United States of trying to disrupt his country's military operations in Georgia. He said that the Americans had used transport planes to fly Georgian troops into the conflict zone after they were redeployed from Iraq. Mr Putin said: "I regret that some of our partners are not helping us but in fact are trying to impede us. "I am referring to the US transfer, aboard its military transport planes and directly into the conflict zone, of the Georgian military contingent from Iraq." His comments came as troops who had been serving in Iraq began to appear in the town of Gori. One, who named himself only as Badri, told the Telegraph that he and his comrades were ready to fight to the death to defend Georgian sovereignty. "We are here to drink Russian blood," he said. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...completion.html

Updated 10 mins ago "Russia and Georgia have accused each other of launching new attacks, as diplomats press for a ceasefire in the conflict over South Ossetia. Georgia said dozens of Russian bombers attacked targets inside its territory, including around Tbilisi and Gori. Russia said Georgian attacks on the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali killed three of its troops. Georgia's president backed a draft EU ceasefire proposal for a ceasefire, but Moscow reportedly rejected the plan." from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7553144.stm so who is lying? - my guess both parties - or who knows maybe??

Sorry I dont agree - Georgia have NO right to send heavy artillery into populated areas like that even if it wasnt disputed territory - they knew damn well they would kill their own civilians and Russian soldiers provoking a Russian response - and what they expect NATO to back them up on this !!!!!!. We seem to be accusing the Russians of wanting a change of administration - trust me they are right on this at least - there is NO WAY the current admin is fit to be part of NATO. And prey the only thing NATO launches at Russia - is harsh words (which it will be)

The way its always been you mean - its so easy to feed people cr*p they they will believe - classic example always seen here is: "60% of people in the UK think...." 60% of what? - is the question nobody asks - blindly believing a stat based on between 0 and 500 people (normally no figures are quoted) somehow represents a population of 60million - i mean wtf!! Just saw a Georgian citizen interviewed on the BBC - who happens to be in London - knew nothing about the situation over there whatsoever so was just shouting off based on his emotions - as you can imagine it was " Russia is doing this/that - they want a new Soviet Union etc blah - NATO said they would protect us - they must do something now regardless!" Never heard such crap in my life - the presenter did ask though whether he thought starting a war against Russia was wise in light of it being a nuclear exchange - he just repeated that we must force Russia to stop their actions anyway - this raises 2 questions - 1. Would Russia have gone against Georgia if they were already in NATO? 2. Would NATO really be obliged to help nutcase members of NATO who want to start WW3?

Some amazing looking skins there Kei

There is no evidence anything is being carpet bombed - Russia has Guided weapons AFAIK - and like any guided weapons sometimes they go astray. Surely the clear objective is to remove the Georgian military including logistics and airbases? Not sure we can put any pressure on Russia tbh - they hold quite a few cards at the mo - particularly where European Energy is concerned.

Sometimes in game if you hit F8 or F9 (cant remember) accidentally the orange light comes on and your movement will become sluggish - so hit F8 to turn it green again and get full movement - the keys can be customised by you.