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Looking fantastic guys!!!!! KEEP IT UPP!

On 14/10/2019 at 9:49 PM, Crusader said:

Your picture shows the cockpit equipped with ASP-17 type sight, Sirena-3 type RWR, old-type weapon controls and the Nav Computer control..

Not all visible clearly...

The 17M2/ 22 was the first Fitter with ASP-17 and with Doppler + Nav Computer

The cockpit area on the upper end of the panel doesnt match the later M3/M4 layout/shape

So yes, I'd say the pic shows a Su-17M2 / Su-22 cockpit.

For the color, Sukhoi Fitters seem to have a often used config of grey cockpit with black panel, here is a example of a Su-20 Fighting_Fitter on Twitter

EDIT: ok.. seems to be your T-bird account ...  :)

Thanks for clearing it up!!! And yah it's my Twitter account ;) what's your T bird account? Dm me and I'll add you 

19 hours ago, FLOGGER23 said:

I think you are missing a few ones, but, overall it´s a nicer job than the one i made 

I've used www.ww2.dk for most of the research as is lists all VVS squadrons and what they flew and when. However I think some units are missing. 

9 hours ago, daddyairplanes said:

the research for this hobby can be as intense as the modding.

have you tried seeing if there are social media pages for the retired Soviet pilots? i have been getting some headway on Facebook with pages for the units that flew particular aircraft in the past, and wonder if there was any Cryllic equivilent

Hmmmmm I'll give it a try!!!! 

Hello all. 

After three days of research I've managed to compile a list of VVS squadrons that flew the M2 variant of the Fitter. Hope you enjoy!! 

The M2 was the first all weather day or night variant of the Fitter, it was also the last variant to see large scale service before the Mig-27 and Su25 became the more numorus soviet strike and attack aircraft. Seeing action in the Iran Iraq war and the Libyan Chad war. The M2 was built from 1976 till 1978. 

6 hours ago, FLOGGER23 said:

 

Me neither, looks more like a representation on how it is

Exactly, plus being a first gen Su-17 I'd have thought it would have been black and grey 

23 minutes ago, 76.IAP-Blackbird said:

I believe Enoc can answer it 

I hope so!!!!! IM DYING TO FIND OUT!!! 

Hello all!!!! 

So I'm building my picture/model collection of the Fitter family, however I can't find anywhere any references for the Su-17M2 cockpit!! Was it all grey? Or black panel and grey like the M? The sole picture I have is from a wall poster, I'll add it below. If anyone has a genuine picture of a Su-17 M2 cockpit I'd greatly appreciate it.

This is the only "picture" of a Su-17M2 cockpit I can find anywhere!!! Only I don't trust it!! 

Hope the fitters are going well!!!! 

8 minutes ago, Gepard said:

 

I know, but i think, that only the users of the Su-7B would have choosen such a plane. A nation, what i miss is India.  They used the Su-7B during war with Pakistan. And Iraq would also a buyer for such a plane.

The LSK had had a "MiG-only" philosophy at this time.

I was going off usesers that could have bought it, LSK for a mig-17 replacement in the attack role and a temporary stop gap before the Su22s 

11 minutes ago, Gepard said:

The LSK, the AirForce of the  GDR, East Germany definitly never used the Su-20, because at the end of the 70th no Sukhoi jets were used. To buy Sukhoi planes would need a completly new infrastructure. Because the MiG-23MF was coming in 1978, the acquisition  of MiG-23BN was the call of the day.

Later, when the MiG-23BN proofed as pure dumb iron dropper, the LSK started to search for a new fighterbomber. So we got the Su-22M4 and the Su-22UM-3K. For this birds a completly new airbase was built. (Rostock-Laage)

Again this is a FICTIONAL aircraft service career. This post is about the Swpet wing Su-20 prototype had it gone into service.

Hello all, I've re-written my S-32MK post, and included stats and figures, service career and operators!! Happy reading! 

54 minutes ago, fallenphoenix1986 said:

Thanks, wasn't aware of this one till now.

Your very welcome!!! 

8 hours ago, Stratos said:

Very nice history, thanks for sharing.

No worries!!! I just thought this amazing and great looking Fitter needed to be more widely known!

I thought I'd share some information on my favourite Su-17 version , feel free to discuss, post questions etc in the comments!! 

In 1972 the Sukhoi design bureau began work on another variant of the Su-17) it was known only by its in-house designation S-32MK "гибридный" or hybrid, this mated the wings of the Su-7BMK to the fuselage of the Su-17M. The aircraft first flew in February 1973 piloted by Vladimir Krechetov.

 
The only known photo of the S-32MK to exist in the west, note the large bomb load able to be carried. Also note how the gun blast plates are still installed but the twin NR-30 cannons are not. 

The S-32MK's fuselage was taken from the new into production Su-17M line, for the S-32MK the uprated AL-21F-3 engine which provided more thrust compared to the standard Fitters then in production. During tests the performance of the Hybrid was better than the Su-17 then in service, the S-32 reached a height of 1800M compared to the 1500M compared to the production Su-17M.

The fitting of the Su-7BMK wing had positives and negatives, the removal of the complicated and heavy Su-17 swing wing system allowed for not only a lighter airframe but a Increase in the fuel capacity (400kg extra fuel) the removal of the swing wing also allowed for maintenance to be much easier. However a drawback of the wing was a return to the Su-7s high landing and takeoff speeds, poor agility at low speeds and a high stall speed. The test machine also had a 100mph higher top speed compared to the Su-17M due to all the weight saving. 

 
A side view of the aircraft, again showing the large number of pylons, and highly swept wing. 

The aircraft was planned to be armed with the standard twin NR-30, 30mm cannons in the wing roots with 80 rounds per gun, the standard six Su-7 pylons (two under each wing and two under the fuselage) were joined by two inner pylons from the standard Su-17 creating a total of eight pylons, two more compared to standard Su-17s, the weight saving allowed for the increase in weapons. 

The soviet Airforce although interested in the design favoured the Mig-27 and Su-17M, therefore Sukhoi offered the jet on export. It was given the export name Su-20, Egypt was the first country to show interest in the new Sukhoi. However Egypt opted for the Su-17M as it had bad past experiences with the Su-7 and saw the swept wing Su-20 as a throwback to bad experiences, Syria also showed interest however they soon withdrew interest. 

With the lack of interest by both Soviet and overseas airforces finally meant to a scrapping of the project and in mid 1975 the aircraft was withdrawn from tests and sent to Tula and used as a mechanic practise aircraft until the 1990s, the airframes existence after 1990 is unknown however it is rumoured that it was more than likely scrapped.

 
Artwork of the S-32MK during tests. The 17 red was only applied for later flights. 


 

Any news on the fitters??

5 hours ago, AeroViper34 said:

I think that the Mig-19s would likely be used for a limited CAS or strike role with a light bomb or rocket armament, as something like an A-10 or B-52 would probably have escorting fighters.  ROK/US/Allied air defenses would also severely limit their effectiveness.  Personally, I would be more concerned about North Korean SAM sites than aircraft.  That is a neat picture though, I wonder what missiles they can equip.  I would assume late-model Atolls.

From my sources they can arm with standard K-13 and some late atolls, although most of the missiles are out of shelf life by now. Also if you note under the fuselage there's four bomb racks fitted, again probably for serving in the CAS/ light strike  role.

18 minutes ago, AeroViper34 said:

The underground hangars are certainly harder to destroy and require more effort, but I think that targeting them with specialized munitions wouldn't be too much more effort outside of other probably planned strike missions, like cratering the runway, destroying aircraft on the flight line, etc.  The Mig-19 has always been one of my favorite Soviet-era fighters, but I doubt it would last long against modern aircraft assuming they got off the ground or assuming that most are still operable with the lack of available parts.  The Mig-29s based near Pyongyang would likely give the most trouble, but we all saw how those were handled in the First Gulf War...

Well the North only has about 30 fulcrums, but 97 Farmers. Don't forget against something like an A-10 or B-52 the Mig-19 would be a good dogfight opponent. Plus as the photo I've tagged shows, the Norths farmers are ATA missile capable. 

This 19 is actually based at Oncheon with the 36th air Regiment , it's shown here on the 2014 exercises 

1 minute ago, AeroViper34 said:

Oh, I'd definitely be willing to bet most North Korean airbases have an underground hangar or storage of some type.  A lot of them have airstrips built right up next to mountains and hills where they can hide their aircraft, and even one that has a secondary runway right through a mountain.  Here's a link with some really good info about some of their aircraft and airfield locations, as well as some underground hangars: https://freekorea.us/2007/04/29/the-north-korean-air-force-by-google-earth/

The question is how effective would the hangars be?? I do think the Mig-19 would still fair well.

Hey all, as a North Korea buff (studied the place in politics etc) I thought to dig deeper into the KPAF and googled some of its airbases‪, I found Kaechon airbase. With the 35th Fighter Regiment and its Mig-19s/J-6  and What I think to be underground  hangars, what's your opinions on the base and It's hidden hangars?? 

the bases flightline, showing mig-19s and mig-15UTI (the Mig-19s have been running recently note the worn grass) also note the camo net worn by the mig on the far right of the line.

The above flightline is top right of this image, with a maintenance yard in the bottom centre and the underground hangar entrances on the hillside.

Loving this!!!

I think the fencer is on the table 

No worries!!!

1 hour ago, FLOGGER23 said:

No, that one is not ready yet, we'll keep you posted ;)

Here's the only actual Su-17M cockpit pics I have if they'll help?

18 minutes ago, 76.IAP-Blackbird said:

They will come, all is planed, reference stuff is already on my HDD. M3 basemodel is done.
To celebrate Xmas, i had a car accident today, heavy rain caused aquaplaning and spinning on the Highway so i crashed into a concrete wall. Not my best day of the year.

I can't post any further news on the status. I'm thankfull for the hard work my crew did this year, countles hours and work that was put into this series.

All my thanks goes to my guys, 

Salute

Get well soon!!!! And does the Su-17M have a cockpit yet? If so is there a tease?😆😆