What if it happened to the French?

[navychief 1]

I received this today; thought it was a good one... I edited the last word, but am sure everyone can figure it out...

 

Chief W.

[Guest Ranger332]

HOW QUICK THEY FORGET THE FRENCH LED 82 AIRBORN INTO BATTLE DURING THE LAST SAUDI CAMPAIGN AND HAD TO GIVE THEM TRUCKS SO THEY COULD EVEN GET TO THE BATTLE.

[Gecko6 0]

Do not remind me of that. I was with the 82nd and had to put up with their s**t.

 

The storys I can tell!

[Guest Ranger332]

SHUDA HAD SOME TRUCKS...we even had "chits" to commender civilian trucks if we need them.,but "the JJ s ""dident have them

[KFG_Keller 0]

lol, i jut wanted to post this qoute from our VP :D

 

Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) dismissed the French proposal, saying "it's difficult to take the French seriously."

[snapple2993 0]

I hate them, I always have and I always will, I dont care what they've done for us in the past. Their contributions to us, are minute in comparison to what we have done for them. I'll say this from a historically correct perspective. Nobody has ever liked the french, and the french dont like anyone other than themselves, and sometimes they are even disontent with themselves. They have had a war with virtually every country/race/religion in the world, and they have won damn few of those wars. Americans forget that we have taken part in just as many wars against the french as we have against the brits or the germans. They have never been a freind of the American people, and they are not friends to anyone else. They have always taken more than they give, and they never say thank you. They were poor allies to the Brits in the Crimean War, they never stood with the Russians in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and it is showing now that they will and have been poor allies to us. They have persecuted millions, slaughtered innocents, contributed to dictatorships, and have failed to do anything for the good of all mankind... ever. The best thing that ever happened to Europe was for Charles De Gaulle to pull France out of NATO, the worst thing to happen was when we let them back in. I hate them for their lack of integrity, I hate them for their hypocracy, I hate them for their stubborness, I hate them for still being around. Thier has never been a need for a France, and their never will be. Things were much better when the country was devided into autonamous provinces (half were held by England). They are selfish, rude, and lazy. It would suit me just fine if the country was dismembered tommorrow.

 

I hope that everyone here knows that the only country in Europe that has been increasing thier military over the last couple of decades has been france. They are looking into Super Carriers... they already have one or two that have 3 cats on'em, lets not forget that they pulled out of EUROFIGHTER, and now the RAFALE is fully operational, and its numbers are growing. Nobody builds a military unless they plan on using it somewhere. I hate to sound like a some sort of dark prophet, but the French have lost most of thier colonial possessions, and they dont have a commonwealth like Britain, remember Hitler got the Germans attention by promising them a return to greatness. Something I wish a few of you would think about. They are not above breaking alliances and attacking former members of that alliance, it has been quite common in their history. We dont need the French, and neither does anyone else.

 

I reheard a quote from Otto Von Bismarck yesterday, something along the lines of "the greatest thing in the future, is that Britain and America speak the same language". I first read it in a book titled "Blood and Iron" it was a biography of Bismarck. This will always be true, and it is showing now, Tony Blair is risking his head for us, this is something that no frechman has ever done. The few times that they have come close to showing support for us, is when they have a score to settle with our enemy or that they have something greater to gain.

 

Remember Napoleon I. is still Frances greatest hero, and according to them he never lost.

 

And as Americans, we think that the past does not affect the future, because we are a young country, and we dont have much of a past. The French were the scurge of the planet long before we arrived, and sooner or later they will try and become the scurge again. Not because they want to be a scurge, but because they think they are better than everyone else.

 

I dont care if they lent trucks, planes, ammo, tanks, medical supplies. Until a proportionate amount of frenchman have fought for us (and/or the world), as compared to the amount of money, and men, that the rest of the world has sacrificed for them, they will not be considered by me to be a part of civilization.

 

They are vagrants, bums, and cheating assholes, that prop themselves up with falsities, and everyone around them ends up paying for it.

 

They have never shown a dedication to anything other than themselves, and they never will.

 

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[Guest Ranger332]

untill you fight alongside them you dont know what your talking about...I love it most of the time time the ppl that make the most noise about WAr or ppl in it never served or fought along side the ppl they are dissing,Ever hear of the French Ristance,did they do nothing...They bought USA time to get ready they set up the drop zones for the DDay ops. They are just like anyother nation some good some bad At least they keep there word good or bad. So unless your a soldier from any country your slander of them no matter what country is limited. I as a Soldier spaning from 1972 to present will Respect any Soldier from any country Friend or Foe above the retoric of any non combat person (Combat include thoses that dont fight but support the one fighting rember for every Troop that fight there are 15 the support him by food supplies and the like).

 

They were there with the US in the first Gulf WAR

 

 

Lieutenant General Michel Roque-Jeoffre, Commander, Daguet Force (French Forces in Saudi Arabia), and General of Brigade Bernard Janvier, Commander, French 6th Light Armored Division, during the formal victory review held by the French forces at As Salman, Iraq, on 10 March 1991. (XVIII Airborne Corps photograph DS-F-324-32 by SGT Nathan Webster)

British Land Rover mired in a sebkah north of Abu Hadriya in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia on 6 January 1991. The area was used as a training location by the United Kingdom's 1st Armoured Division. (XVIII Airborne Corps photograph DS-F-097-22 by SPC Randall R. Anderson)

 

Rember the Government not the Soldiers make the choice to go to War not the ppl that will have to fight it..So dont disrespect the Soldiers,especialy if you arnt a Grunt or one that supports a Grunt.

[Guest Ranger332]

France has made an important contribution to the war on terrorism since September 11. Over 4,000 French military personnel have participated in Operation Enduring Freedom, including 500 troops in the International Security Assista

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/desert_sabre.htmnce Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan.

 

XVIII Airborne Corps attacked in the west and deep into Iraq to control the east-west lines of communication along Highway 8 and cut off Iraqi forces in the Kuwait Theater of Operations. In the far west the French 6th Light Armored and the 101st Airborne Divisions started the massive western envelopment with a ground assault to secure the allied left flank and an air assault to establish forward support bases deep in Iraqi territory. In XVIII Corps' mission of envelopment, the 24th Infantry Division had the central role of blocking the Euphrates River valley to prevent the escape north of Iraqi forces in Kuwait and then attacking east in coordination with VII Corps

 

 

so if you have probs with the French is with the Gov not the Soldier,so stop belittling the French Soldiers.

[SDirickson 0]

I have only the greatest respect for the current French soldiers, do mainly to their heroism and bravery during Dien Bien Phu. The problem has always been with the government and the higher leadership, not the ones out there doing the fighting.

[Guest Ranger332]

I totaly agree

 

even here meny US soldiers dont want to go for meny reasons

 

But like in my case I took two ouths

one as a Soldier,and then another as an NCO, and unlike some ppl and some governments I intent to keep them.A ppl and its Government are only as good as there word. so even if i dident want to go I would still have to honor my pledg. in most cases its as the russian infantry say "no one love a soldier till the enemy is at the gates"

[snapple2993 0]

I have never ever criticized the french military, nor have I cirticized any other nations military.

 

I ciritcize their government and the french people for who they are and what they stand for.

 

Do you forget ranger that the military is merely a tool of the government and the government is merely a tool of the people. I have never said that the frenchman are poor fighters, they have had many poor commanders, and an even worse government. This holds true for the Italians and the Iraqi's and every other army that has had a bad run in conflicts.

 

My point was that the french are building a huge military, and they dont use it. The french people are quick to run, so what does their military have to fight for?

 

The french underground was great, but they were not the majority of frenchman, now where they. Ever heard the story of the frenchies looking down the road to see what army was marching up, so they could run in and pull out the matching flag?

 

Thier military is a great one, but the government and the country as a whole, isnt worth two sh*ts, and that is why you only see one french flag on your little Gulf War map, when their should have been 10, they had the troops, they had the planes, and they had the ships, so where were they. I'll tell you, the boats where all anchored in Le Havre, and Brest, the troops were sitting in their barracks and the planes were in hangars. Not because they didnt want to go but because the country didnt want them to go. The country sucks and thats all there is to it.

 

Just look at the brits, 90% of their navy is in there with us, and atleast 1/3 of their army is with our marines. And a large part of thier country is not for the war. Chirac has no balls, and neither have any other french heads of state other than Louis XIV and Napoleon, and the both of them were as arogant as they come.

 

And I'm getting sick of hearing this bullsh*t about how, boohoo you havent served you cant talk about military matters, let me tell you something, there are a lot of people out there, military and civilian that are tired of the french, just because you hold some special place in your heart for the frenchmen you served with, doesnt give you the right to shoot down a comment of mine or anyone elses, when it goes against your beliefs and your experiences. You have the right to your own opinion and I have my right to mine, you do not have the right to say that my feelings on the matter are meaningless and unfounded because I have never served. Once again I made a statement about my feelings, and once again I have been shot down because I am a 20 year old college student and am not military man, this double standard has gone far enough, and it sickens me to know that you took an oathe to protect the constitution, and yet you ignore my right to freedom of speech. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that you have to fight for it to enjoy its liberties, all you have to do is be on U.S. property/soil.

 

So if you want to post pics of the french, then do so, but dont add in something like "Snapple you arent allowed to say anything bad about the french because you've never served with them." That's bullsh*t and you know it, get off your high horse and come down to reality, and find out that you are not better than me or anyone else on this forum. You are not the authority on all matters on biohaz, yet you still manage to pick out my posts, and leave some f*cked up remark... grow up, and sort yourself out.

 

I still say F*CK THE FRENCH. :evil:

[navychief 1]

Hey XO,

 

So why don't you say what you really feel? Hehehehehe....

 

 

As for me? Well, I don't drink anymore, but if I still did, I wouldn't be buying any more French wines. (Not like I did, to begin with!).

 

Chief W.

[Guest Ranger332]

"The french underground was great, but they were not the majority of frenchman, now where they. Ever heard the story of the frenchies looking down the road to see what army was marching up, so they could run in and pull out the matching flag? "

like our ppl did during the "civil war"

 

 

"So if you want to post pics of the french, then do so, but dont add in something like "Snapple you arent allowed to say anything bad about the french because you've never served with them." That's bullsh*t and you know it, get off your high horse and come down to reality, and find out that you are not better than me or anyone else on this forum. You are not the authority on all matters on biohaz, yet you still manage to pick out my posts, and leave some f*cked up remark... grow up, and sort yourself out"

 

you havent earned the right to degrade any one that fight for thier country unless you have been one,and as far as ppl setting the tone for the gov shall we look at "NAM" how long did they protest? and if you going to make a point you grow up and dont relay on cursing thats for immature ppl. and as far as better ... no but better informed yes Ive traveled the world meny times I dont "relay on reports or edited views" I relay on acutal experance from being there...seeing it, taking pictures of it

 

 

 

and its not like we cant defeat our enemies on our own,we ask others to join so it looks better we always seem to foot the bill. so read some more bud.

[Guest Ranger332]

SO TELL US OF YOUR VAST MILITARY EXPERANCE? OF THE MENY UNITS YOUR HAVE SERVED WITH?

 

 

 

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FROM YOU WEB SITE

 

"This photo was taken during the first AirAssault strike into Iraq. At this point we

were 97 miles across the border into Iraq cutting off supply lines and

the Republican Guard retreat." Ranger332

[MadJeff 3]

OK, this one's starting to get a little out of hand. This is why I hate political discussions on web forums...

 

Snapple, you have the right to your opinion and I can respect that, but you are really generalizing and straying into the realm of personal attacks. While I myself disapprove of the way the French government is handling things, to generalize that all French people believe a certain way is the same as the rest of the world generalizing that all Americans are loudmouthed obnoxious idiots. Neither are true, and it is a dangerous and misguided path you are treading down with that kind of closed-minded thinking.

 

I suggest we drop this line of discussion, as neither party is going to sway the other, and quite frankly, is starting to offend and create bad blood between users.

[Guest Ranger332]

Iam fine with that I just dont like seeing Soldiers getting a bad rap I lived through that crap in the 70 s(insults..spit on,cursed at ) and its still a sour spot as this was by "fellow Americans"

[SDirickson 0]

Ranger, although I obviously wasn't around in the 70's, I've heard and read a lot about the problems between soldiers and civilians. Personally, it pisses the hell out of me to see people unwilling to serve and fight for their country have the gall to complain and insult those who are. That seems to me to be the ultimate of cowardice, hypocrisy and stupidity. I certainly hope that when I am in the military, the same doesn't happen to me. I don't know if I could take it.

 

I have no problems with somebody complaining about anything, so long as they have made an effort to change it. If they are unwilling to make a personnal effort to change the situation, they deserve no right to complain.

 

Please, I don't mean to offend anybody on this board, nobody at all (Unless they have a certain set of banned initials, ) because I consider just about everybody here my friend, no matter their political leanings. And above all, this is just my opinion, and I'm too stubborn to be swayed.

[Guest Ranger332]

lol Iam cool wit dat as they say now

no I just rember having my Beret my jumpboots and my kakies at kennedy airport and feeling something wet hit the back of my neck I turned only to find a American couple had spit one me, being young and outraged I raised my fist only to have three Mps inform me that if I did anything I would be jailed. Then I told the MPs they assualted me by spitting on me they replied no matter,I then had a three man escort to my next connecting flight. Hopfuly none of the newer troop will ever have to endure that.

so say what you will about the gov just dont melign the ppl that have to fight at the orders of others most of which will never fight or follow the orders they send to the troops they command.

 

 

I take no offence at snapple as a person just at his comments to ppl he may never understand unless he has had the honor to serve as they do. Its never a soldier that makes war,but its the soldiers,sailor,airmen,and marains they have to fight them so SALUTE TO ALL FIGHTING FORCES. as they are the one that truly feel the effect of the wars,and to thier families,as they are left sometimes at a moment notice,and are in the worst cases are the only one to rember the fallen

[snapple2993 0]

I have never ever criticized the french military, nor have I cirticized any other nations military.

 

Perhaps this was lost after reading all of the post. The issue is not france or the military, they are both means of me expressing myself. The issue is the double standard. What I mean by this is that I am not allowed to voice my opinion freely, without facing attacks from Ranger. This does not just go for posts concerning the military or politics. In virtually all of my posts that seemed to be somewhat heated, ranger has felt the need to repremand me. I'll site a few.

 

In my last mp venting, nothing came of it other than a couple of people needing the launcher, but ranger and I went round and round.(I asked MJ to lock the thread to keep it from becoming heated)

 

I posted a link that was pro-isreali, and I'm not even pro-isreali, but in that post a sayed my mother thinks she's a jew, only two people replied. One of them was ranger, and he said he was going to sort me out about judaism, when there was no need. But again we went round and round.

 

If I post anything concerning politics, the military, or really anything concerning our world, ranger posts immediatly after me, and tries to sort me out. WTF is this? Lay off for christ's sake.

 

Perhaps I have generalized this post a bit, but I believe in past performance, and in my vast knowledge (NO SH*T) about world history, mostly concerning wars, the french have been delinquent in almost all of them. And their polls have been showing that the vast majority of people in France do not support a war, and really do not support any action anywhere at all.

 

I stress again, I do not recall any positive or neutral posts from ranger when they are replies to my posts. The last one I can remember was when he was trying to work on a VF111 skin for me, and that was before I became part of VF143.

 

So I may not have served, and I may only be 20, but I tell you this as a fellow human being, "No one will ever have the right to take away my freedom to voice my opinions on anything." For that I would die. The ability to speak our minds freely is what separates man from the rest of the animal kingdom, and no one, not you, not me, not the military, not the president, no one will ever be able to take away our right to think and speak as free thinking people.

 

You are bordering on totalitarianism when you start telling people they done have the right to speak freely, the Nazi's did it, Stalin did it, Castro has done it. When people have to fit into a certain group in order to be able to freely converse without fear of reprisal then you have KILLED FREEDOM!

 

Good Day! to you sir. I salute you for your contribution as a soldier, but you have lost the meaning of the constitution, and dont try and tell me sh*t about the constitution, I'm a law student, I now that peice of paper like the back of my own hand.

 

And oh ya I read a sh*tload, most of its old, but I havent misenterpreted any of it. So you can take that go learn so more attitude and stick it where the sun doesnt shine. And thats not a personal attack... this is... you want me to be educated... well you should learn how to spell correctly, and I dont care if you think you are spelling phonetically, you do a damn poor job of it.

 

Toss Off!

[Guest Ranger332]

roflol you should post on galens board he should lov you roflol

 

 

"I stress again, I do not recall any positive or neutral posts from ranger when they are replies to my posts. The last one I can remember was when he was trying to work on a VF111 skin for me, and that was before I became part of VF143. " and come to think of it you never said ty lol

 

 

"So I may not have served, and I may only be 20, but I tell you this as a fellow human being, "No one will ever have the right to take away my freedom to voice my opinions ' by your own admission you dont know other then what you read about, I take offence in your "dissing" the solider,and stated so . and as far as your right its given by SOLDIERS SAILORS,AIRMAN,AND MARINES OF ALL NATO,and SATO countries.

[snapple2993 0]

comparing me to some computer geek that sends out threatening pm's, is like comparing your ego, to that of a failed burger flipper... just makes no sense at all.

[Guest Ranger332]

my final post on this as you cant learnand pm ing you dosent seem to work as you seem to like seeing your postings

 

 

RETORIC IS RETORIC no matter whom the sorce is

 

 

and what ever happened to this dident you say your posting days were over and dident I say not to stop?

 

"snapple2993

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[snapple2993 0]

and come to think of it you never said ty  lol

 

Posted: 19 Jan 2003 13:15

 

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Yeah! Good Work, everybody. I appreciate all the effort from all who participated.

 

I'll Be checking the regular skinning sites to see when these baby's are ready for download.

 

Is it possible to make a skin for the pilots... maybe start making squadron helmets?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

OH SH*T, look what I found back in the biohaz lockers, a thankyou to everyone for helping, I do believe that included you.

[snapple2993 0]

One last thing, the fighting men and women of the world may give and protect the rights of thier people, they do not have the right to take them away. When they think they do, that is what is called a coup, and then no one accept for the fighters have any rights. Again you are bordering on fascism and or militarism.

[MadJeff 3]

OK, that's all for tonight boys and girls, nothing more to see here. We are done as of right now. PM's have been sent, and I don't want to hear any more about it.