Ajundairs F-104 Family Question

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

Hey, i have a real problem with the F-104 Family.

i wanted to edit the weaponstations so, that the wing tip station

can carry Droptanks & Sidewinders. if i use the default data.ini,

i cant use the camo tanks, only the default. when i change the tanks, the sidewinders

shown up in a wrong direction. so i tried to

add 2 weaponstations ( 1 for the tanks & one for the Missles), but no luck... :(

now i don´t know how i can fix it...

can someone please help me?

[Guest capun]

Can you post the weapon station entries in the data ini and a section of the loadout.ini?

 

That may help to spot a problem

[Piloto 3]

Hey, i have a real problem with the F-104 Family.

i wanted to edit the weaponstations so, that the wing tip station

can carry Droptanks & Sidewinders. if i use the default data.ini,

i cant use the camo tanks, only the default. when i change the tanks, the sidewinders

shown up in a wrong direction. so i tried to

add 2 weaponstations ( 1 for the tanks & one for the Missles), but no luck... :(

now i don´t know how i can fix it...

can someone please help me?

 

Im creating a fresh install of my WoE and im having the exact same problem...in fact in mine none the aam´s apear to chose from!

[Wrench 9,559]

which zippers??? I've updated all the Pakistani ones in the Knowledge Base 'Weapons Editing thread'

USAF 104Cs????

 

I know the callout for the fuel tank type in the data ini MUST match the name of the fuel tank in weaponsdata.ini, and on the loadout ini.

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

i have now the default aircraft datas.

i want to ad them to the F-104B, F-104G, F-104S & TF-104

thanks for the replays...

i have the right tanks, but the problem is that ti can´t add 2 stations for the winders....

when i add them to the tank station they are not in the right position....

Edited May 9, 2007 by Soulfreak

[Wrench 9,559]

i have now the default aircraft datas.

i want to ad them to the F-104B, F-104G, F-104S & TF-104

thanks for the replays...

i have the right tanks, but the problem is that ti can´t add 2 stations for the winders....

when i add them to the tank station they are not in the right position....

 

 

You want to use the stock 3rdWire data on Ajundar's?

They may not work correctly; aren't '(usually) the pylons part of the aircraft lod??

 

As for the 104G, I just used 'USAF' as the attachment. I did, however, create a copy of the G just for the KLU (didn't want skin cross-over from Germany or Italian ones), but still kept the USAF weapons

 

I guess I'll have a look at the others in Ajundars Starfighter Series . I didn't even remember he'd done as S model. I have the S, and S-ASA versions by Jet-Z (the ASA uses a special rack for the Sparrow/Aspides that's in the weapons pak)

 

Off to edit...

Wrench

kevin stein

[+Dave 2,318]

Hey Kevin if you go through the F-104 sections in both planes and skins, I did a ton of that stuff including F-104S's and F-104J and F-104DJ.

[Wrench 9,559]

thanks, Dave. Saw those.

 

I DO have to correct meself; the "S" is definately Ajundairs (at least the one in my WoE). The S-ASA is by Jet-Z.

 

Well, I did figure on going through the whole Century Series (ok, the 3 we have). Fiddled with the Thuds earlier this week...guess I'll just do them in order!

 

The Hun gets the least amount of tweeking (simple adding my MER fix from 3 years ago)

 

Damn...just when I thought I was making progress too, something comes along and messes me up!

 

I want chili dog.....

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

i don´t want to use the stock F-104G data.

i only want to add one weaponstation on each wingtip,

that there ere two, one for the tanks & one for the IRMs...

[Wrench 9,559]

Soulfreak: all but the USAF 104C-10 are now in the KB Weapons/Loadout thread.

 

Still trying to figure out if I want the 'winder on the wing pylon or wingtip. Can't find any pics to go either way (well, actually, all the photos show NO 'winders...just fuel tanks!!)

 

I've still to test/adjust the JASDF versions, but they should just need the NATO switched to USAF, as far as I can tell from a quick look.

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

this is how my F-104g data looks now.

i think i have made to much changes....

the tanks show up right, but not the sidewinderstations. they don´t show up...

 

[LeftWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=8

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-3.539,-0.154,-0.263

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,-11.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=FT

AttachmentType=NATO,WGermany,USAF,USN,UK

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

FuelTankName=TANK_170F104G

 

[RightWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=3.539,-0.154,-0.263

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,11.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=FT

AttachmentType=NATO,WGermany,USAF,USN,UK

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

FuelTankName=TANK_170F104G

 

[LeftWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=500

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR,ASM,IFP,IRM,FT

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,UK,WGermany

ModelNodeName=pylon_left_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=rail_Left

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=TANK_195F104G

 

[RightWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=4

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=500

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR,ASM,IFP,IRM,FT

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,USN,UK

ModelNodeName=pylon_right_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=rail_Right

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=Tank_195F104G

 

[CenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=5

StationGroupID=4

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,2.25,-0.857

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=1000

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,NUC,RCN

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,WGermany,Italy,Belgium,Spain

ModelNodeName=Centre_pylon

PylonMass=57.61

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,WGermany,Italy,Belgium,Spain

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=NATO,USAF,WGermany,Italy,Belgium,Spain

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

[Wrench 9,559]

I see the problem!!!

 

You forgot the add "IRM" to the wingtip stations. Why not just use the weapons staions data I posted in the KB, it's all fixed up.

If you're using the weapons pak, you can delete all the nations EXCEPT USAF (for all them), but leave W_GERMANY for the inboard stations, if you want to load Kormorans

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

i have removed them, cause i´m not using the stock f-104 tanks.

can i add 2 irm stations on the wing tips?

 

when i use your data.ini, the tanks do not show up right!

Edited May 13, 2007 by Soulfreak

[Wrench 9,559]

The tanks are a know issue (ie: inside oout/backwards, whatever)

 

I've got some new tanks done to replace the 'F-104G Euro Green' done, I just have to write up a read me and upload them.

The only thing is, I haven't totall figured out the mapping, and their ALL green, without the gray unders. The new tank pak will include a psd file, for anyone who want to fix the mapping

 

But they LOOK correct.

 

They're based off the original 3W lods. With luck, I'll get them up loaded tonight.

 

As to the IRMs, of course!! That's where Lockheed put 'em!! Add the callout, and all is well.

 

Wrench

kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

Hey Wrench,

i´ve tried to modify your tanks, but no luck, so i get back to the old problem and i fixed it! ;)

but now i have a problem with the centerline missle-rails.

i can´t load them up.

here are my actually F-104Gdata.ini entrys for the weapons:

[LeftWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-3.539,-0.154,-0.263

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,-11.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=FT

AttachmentType=NATO,WGermany,USAF,USN,UK

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

FuelTankName=TANK_170F104G

 

[RightWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=2

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=3.539,-0.154,-0.263

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.0,11.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=FT

AttachmentType=NATO,WGermany,USAF,USN,UK

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

FuelTankName=TANK_170F104G

 

[sidewinderStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-3.304,-0.176,-0.513

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,90.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF,WGermany

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

LaunchRailNodeName=missile_rail_wt_left

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

 

[sidewinderStation2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=4

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=3.304,-0.176,-0.513

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,-90.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF,WGermany

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

LaunchRailNodeName=missile_rail_wt_right

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

 

[LeftWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=5

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=750

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,ASM,FT

AttachmentType=USAF,WGermany,France

ModelNodeName=pylon_left_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

FuelTankName=Tank_195F104G

 

[RightWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=750

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,ASM,FT

AttachmentType=USAF,WGermany,France

ModelNodeName=pylon_right_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

FuelTankName=Tank_195F104G

 

[CenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,2.73,-0.954

AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=1000

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCN

AttachmentType=USAF,WGermany

ModelNodeName=Centre_pylon

PylonMass=57.61

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation3]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=8

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation4]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

can it be that there is a limited number of weaponstations in that model?

or must i have another name for sidewinderstation 3+4

ps i have now no entrys in the loadout file....

[Wrench 9,559]

This is still for Ajundair's, right??? I think the problem is the changed names; the weapons stations name (in the brackets), MUST match the systemname= in the relevant sections of the data ini.

 

SidewinderStation1 and 2 are set in the [FUSELAGE] section systemnames, these are the lower fuse rails.

 

Try this for your weapons stations: (no tip tanks) Leave the attachmenttype= nations as shown

 

[LeftWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-3.25,-0.176,-0.513

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,90.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

LaunchRailNodeName=missile_rail_wt_left

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=

 

[RightWingtipStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=2

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=3.25,-0.176,-0.513

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,-90.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=

LaunchRailNodeName=missile_rail_wt_right

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=

 

[LeftWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=700

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR,ASM,IFP,IRM,FT

AttachmentType=USAF,W_GERMANY

ModelNodeName=pylon_left_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=rail_Left

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=Tank_195F104G

 

[RightWingStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=4

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.883,0.400,-0.665

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=700

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RP,CGR,ASM,IFP,IRM,FT

AttachmentType=USAF,W_GERMANY

ModelNodeName=pylon_right_inner

PylonMass=72.58

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=rail_Right

LaunchRailHeight=0.15

LaunchRailMass=24.95

FuelTankName=Tank_195F104G

 

[CenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=5

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,2.25,-0.857

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

LoadLimit=1000

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,NUC,RCN

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=Centre_pylon

PylonMass=57.61

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

[sidewinderStation2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.259,2.77,-0.98

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-2.5,0.0

LoadLimit=250.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM

AttachmentType=USAF

ModelNodeName=miss_rail_centerline

PylonMass=34.02

PylonDragArea=0.005

 

try this for you loadout ini:

 

[AirToAir]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

[AirToAirLongRange]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=Tank_195F104G

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=Tank_195F104G

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

[Attack]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=LAU-3A

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=LAU-3A

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=M117

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=M117

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

[sEAD]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=LAU-3A

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=LAU-3A

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

[Anti-Ship]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=M117

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=M117

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Loadout[07].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[07].Quantity=1

 

[Recon]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AIM-9B

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=Tank_195F104G

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=Tank_195F104G

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=RECONPOD

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

You'll see I left the bombs on for Anti-Ship, even tho it can carry the Kormorans.

 

You should now only have Sidewinders on the wing tips, lower twin rails, and 195 gallon tanks under the wings. We could even go a little further, and 'lighten' the tip stations by, oh, 150 kilos down to 100; this would definately prevent the 170 tanks from loading.

 

EDIT: please forgive me...there was a spelling error in the positioning of the "_" (underline) in the tanks...it was reading, originally:

 

Tank195_F104G

 

when it should have read

 

Tank_195F104G

 

That makes all the difference in the world...looks like I better fix the fix in the KB, too!!!

I knew to had to be something simple!!

 

This is what it should look like:

 

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

yes that is for Ajundairs F-104G, everything works, i can sellect ma droptanks

and sidewinders on the wingtipstations. only the centerline Missles do not show up.

In wich section of the data-ini can i edit the names?

I have looked, but i found nothing....

[Wrench 9,559]

Use the new data I posted above...thas should do the trick

 

Leave all the systemnames alone, etc, (or restore any changes). It should be good to go!!!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

Use the new data I posted above...thas should do the trick

 

Leave all the systemnames alone, etc, (or restore any changes). It should be good to go!!!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

Thanks for your help kevin, you bring me in the right direction!!!

ive fixed everything!

everything works fine.

i´ve addet the winderstations to the wings & that works!!!

 

thanks!

btw, do you know how to edit the weapons data, so that we can select different tanks?

f.e. camo, blue, grey etc... ???? like on the F-4F or F-5a or F-84F...

Edited May 16, 2007 by Soulfreak

[Wrench 9,559]

Nice looking! I didn't know we had any orange flash tanks! It is Luftwaffe or Marineflieger?? I don't recognize the skin either!!?? It is avalialbe??

 

The F-4F and F-4F ICE should alread have the gray tanks set. (see the KB for my Phantom Phixes)

 

I'm assuming the blue tanks on the JASDF F-4EJ and EJ Kai, they too should already be set. -- I just haven't gotten to them yet

 

To make the statement, the particular fuel tanks (ie: whatever color it is) set in the data ini, like the problem we just had with the zippers

 

FuelTankName=

 

this is the statement in the data ini that sets which tank. I think, and I've not done any experimenting with this, but if it's left blank, you should be able to load any of the specificed tanks to that hardpoint via the loadout ini, for whichever hardpoint it is.

 

Any particular aircraft (other than those you listed), that you're having problems with????

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein

[+Soulfreak 6,353]

no, have only reskinned the TANK_170F104G,

the skin is not up for download. i will up

the German Fighterwing 104´s on Monday or so...

i mean the 3rd partie f-4f not the stock one....

i think the Tornado has different tanks tooo.

(grey, desert, saudi, green)

[Wrench 9,559]

Yeah, all the F-4F's are in the Knowledge base, titled for what they are

(can't figure out how to link directly, but they're on page 5)

 

F-4F (3rd Wire - WoE stock)

 

F-4F

F-4F ICE (both by USAFMTL, C5, et al)

 

Tanks for the latter 2 are set as "TANK_370F4F" for wings and

"TANK_600F4F" for the center line on ICE

 

Wrench

Kevin Stein