A question about helicopters

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

I know helicopters haven't been integrated into the game completly, but I'm just wondering how capable are the AI with Landing/take-offs? I've seen them fly and fight, and neither is spectacular but they get the job done nonetheless. What I'm more concerned with is whether I can set up a sortie where helicopters fly to a point and land, or perform a close approximation of it without piking into the ground.

 

The last time I used a chopper to test out a new skin, I noticed my wingmen doing forward rolls through the tarmac when trying to move. I'm hoping things will be different for choppers with a wheeled gear like the Hind and blackhawk but...

 

I'm at work so I can't test this out just jet and it's been bugging me. I've got six hours to go too...

[MigBuster 2,884]

Only seen / used them in YAP - the AI seems to do an okay job in those missions though - cant say ive monitored their every move though.

[Guest Joe SharpShooter]

Try the APACHE AH-68 if I am not mistaken, I played for 1 year, then quit seince I got CHEATS of the game, no more challenge. Just dew days back I DOWNLOADED the Mi-8 for WOI. I TWEAKED it, so now it carries 4 AGM series (65B, D, D2, K) which also I have tweaked that I could drop modern IAF jets, including the slow WOE A-10 series I incorporated into my WOI. But we must instal the Weap pack of August 2008 to able to do some tweaks not on only on it, the Mi-8, but in ALL STCOK jets. The IAF birds carried much more missiles bombs etc. So r the Arab nations jets, n my new Mi-8; BTW, for PERSONAL liking et reasons, I CHANGED (in aircraft_data.ini) the Iranian F-14 TomCat and the new SAUDI F-15 Striker to DOGFIGHT and/or intercept ALL IAF birds! Wish to UpLoad pics or skrinshots of the two, yet I am no more allowed to upload. So, who REALY REALLY enjoy FLYING all the NEW Arab bations jet fighter F-16A_Arab, the TamCat (used to be with IAF) and the F-15Striker of Arab Saudi, email me pls. Kindly get my email frm the admin of this fine Combat Ace. Or ask our very good, cool friend WRENCG. Danke -- Joe Sharpshooter, yet was called Joe s**ts**tTER. Thanks for that, I made him HAPPY to MOCK me....... I feel sorry for such chap!

[FastCargo 412]

I know helicopters haven't been integrated into the game completly, but I'm just wondering how capable are the AI with Landing/take-offs? I've seen them fly and fight, and neither is spectacular but they get the job done nonetheless. What I'm more concerned with is whether I can set up a sortie where helicopters fly to a point and land, or perform a close approximation of it without piking into the ground.

 

The last time I used a chopper to test out a new skin, I noticed my wingmen doing forward rolls through the tarmac when trying to move. I'm hoping things will be different for choppers with a wheeled gear like the Hind and blackhawk but...

 

I'm at work so I can't test this out just jet and it's been bugging me. I've got six hours to go too...

 

And for a more coherent answer to your question my friend...

 

The TW engine/AI doesn't simulate vertical flight. In other words, the AI will not land or takeoff like a helocopter does. Typically what I've seen done is give the helos some awesome flaps, so that the T/O and landing done by the AI is a short run, but not vertical. Usually, actual vertical flight can only be done by the player, usually using some combination of flap and/or thrust vectoring. SaE and I were working on some FM ideas for the AH-64 WIP.

 

Kreelin is really the guy you need to talk to about helo behavior, he's pretty much considered the helo FM guru.

 

FC

[Guest a10boar]

Well viperBat32 has a complete DS style mock-up campaign that use AI choppers for CAS and SEAD.He even got where you have to do some escort missions.He done all the .ini editing himself.Goto his gallery and take a look.Says that he has no problems anymore with AI tracking targets and landing/take-offs.He was trying to tell the community but,his thread was hijacked and quit reporting.

 

Only problem I have with helicopters is the ugly model.But,seen the Diego or Old Diego,is making some beautiful helios.So,I think there will be more people involved once a decent helicopter is presented.

[+Jarhead1 27]

whats wrong with the models? If they fly, then thats all that matters until we get better ones.

[Guest Joe SharpShooter]

AH-64

Many thanks Stormtrooper, yes it is AH-64. The DISK is right here on my right on in the drawer along with the LOCK-ON Combat,LONGBOW. The last two I cannot play due to the RAM in our two laptops ACER. The AH-64 I quit playing due to my CD drive problem. I copied it to my 4GB usb n transfer it to the 1st laptop whose cd drive is kaput, still refused to play. Any help perhaps? Thanks

[Guest a10boar]

whats wrong with the models? If they fly, then thats all that matters until we get better ones.

 

That is the what I here from ViperBat32 also.He get excited about when I tell him the same thing.Have to remind him that,an opition is just that,an opition.Til we get the newer models,I will wait.All though Stormtrooper and Marcfighter has the right skins and talent for such.Those are the only models/skins I choose to fly.

[viperBAT32 2]

thats right boar(wink,wink)i have all helos working good in ODS(i.e:wingmen attacking targ's and such)fixed props by resizing big choppers props(main)to 6.0 and small choppers to 5.0.

however choppers land like jet a/c and take off as such......but,as others have suggested,i use thrust vectoring to take off and have good "helo like"results(after eating windscreen a few times!)landing is different story for "skidded" choppers(just escape before landing)"wheeled"choppers i have no problems!

fixed open doors(canopy entry in a/c.data.ini)by search and contacted by capun.

well,anyway i'm enjoying the helo action in ODS(models could be better,but i will NOT complain)as,i've not seen enough chopper action here at site.,no matter if engine doesn't support vertical t/o or not.

Operation Desert Storm should have these choppers in it.especially the ah-64 which is non-existant in freeware downloads for the series(at least i haven't found)

i haven't seen a conflict fought without choppers since Vietnam to present day!

but,for my own private war,i have these helos workin' fine,and i must say,it's VERY fun to take a 2 ship flight of MH-60X SuperPaveHawks into armed-recon and come out with a few bruises,but make it home!cheers all!