lindr2 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Erikgen and I are still working hard on her I'm working on the Flight Model and have hard time to find reliable infos about its performance. For instance wiki gives 2 different values (one 98KN and one 107KN) about Lyulka AL-7F-2 max power... So any good info are welcome OK! AL-7F-2: on Tu-128 used AL-7F2 series 0, 1, 2, 4, 6 ,7 75000/10100 KG/sec -> 73.5/98.98 KN, TSFC on max 0.91, TSFCAB 2.04 ; 107KN is AL-7F4 or Al-7F4G some Tu-128 updated in 1963-67 {2-5 planes} Have other questions? i want to help everyone, who worked on Soviet planes. http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/tu128/tu128-25.jpg Question: you worked on on Tu-128 only in serie 1962-70 in service 1962~1982 187 planes R-4R & R-4T missles on and Tu-128M - almost all tu-128 were updated [1979] in service 1979~1995 R-4MR & R-4MT missiles ? Edited March 17, 2009 by lindr2
Erwin_Hans Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 BTW,what can we call the giant Tu-22 interceptor? Tu-???
lindr2 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) BTW,what can we call the giant Tu-22 interceptor? Tu-??? Tu-22DP 2 x NK-25 engines 1985-90 project, based on Tu-22M3 DP - Dal'ny Perekhvatchik - Long range Interceptor {K-100?, KS-172?} Edited March 17, 2009 by lindr2
kreelin Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) Question: you worked on on Tu-128 only in serie 1962-70 in service 1962~1982 187 planes R-4R & R-4T missles ErikGen will confirm it but I think it's 1962-1982 version (with R-4R & R-4T missles)... Thanks for the engines info... BTW, could you confirm the performance info I have ? Empty weight: 24,500 kg (54,000 lb) Loaded weight: 40,000 kg (88,200 lb) Maximum speed: Mach 1.65 at high altitude (what altitude ?) Range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi) Edited March 17, 2009 by kreelin
lindr2 Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 ErikGen will confirm it but I think it's 1962-1982 version (with R-4R & R-4T missles)... Thanks for the engines info... BTW, could you confirm the performance info I have ? Empty weight: 24,500 kg (54,000 lb) Loaded weight: 40,000 kg (88,200 lb) Maximum speed: Mach 1.65 at high altitude (what altitude ?) Range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi) Tu-128, 128M Length - 30.06m Span 17.53 m Wing Area 96.94 m2 Height 7.15 m, 7.07m Max takeoff W 43000 Kg, 43600Kg, normal 40000kg, fuel 15500 kg {10 fuselage + 2 wing fuell cells] Empty weight: 25960 kg Range: 2565 km, 2460km Ceiling 15600m Max speed: 1665 kmph With 4 missiles, 1910kmph no weapons [at 11000m?] Takeoff/langing length: 1350m/1050m Radar: Smerch, Smerch-M, Search R:50Km, Track R: 35-40Km Intercept max range: 1170km,1130km max Fl time 2.75 Hrs, 2.6 Hrs Target max Altitude 21000m;
ErikGen Posted March 17, 2009 Author Posted March 17, 2009 Thanks for the infos. I have not much time now but the project is still alive. Here some image ; the plane is ok but with only one image of the pit (the same posted by lindr2) it is a hard job. When the general layout of the main panel is ready, i will need help for sure with all those cyrillic labels . The version is the TU128 for now , but the TU128M should be a easy conversion (the top tail , some antennas and radar performance only, if i am not wrong).
76.IAP-Blackbird Posted March 17, 2009 Posted March 17, 2009 Oh wow, I haven`t expected a pit for this bird, oh what a suprise!
Viggen Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 That's a BIG interceptor! Lower shot makes it look really cool though.
Guest F-16CJ Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Yeah I know, but you were talking about a Tu-4 as a missile carrier so I thought about a tu-22 mod... In China, TU-4 was once used as a night fighter, interceptor P2V-7. TU-128 are at the basis of TU-98 on the development of an air defense interceptor aircraft, TU-128 at the TU-98 navigator module install a K-24 fire control radar, english-to-air 50 km away. Weapons for the R-4 air-to-air missile TU-128 can carry fired R-40? Do not know ......
Wraith27 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 TU-128 can carry fired R-40? Do not know ...... In my knowledge it can't...but dont know why. Tu-128 was in service to late 80'ts so I dont know why they didnt make some upgrade...maby Lindr2 knows something?
lindr2 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 In my knowledge it can't...but dont know why. Tu-128 was in service to late 80'ts so I dont know why they didnt make some upgrade...maby Lindr2 knows something? R-4 was upgated to R-4M, work started in 1968, in 1969 first prototypes made, in 1969 - 12 test launches, in 1970 - 14 tests in 1973 - 18 tests, in 1974 - 14 tests , at fall 1974 test programm was complited. R-4MR & R-4MT offically in service since 1979 . R-4 can intercept targets up to 2000 kmph on frontal ascept, 1250 in rear, min altitude 7000-8000m R-4M can intercept targets up to 2500 kmph on frontal ascept, 1250 in rear, min altitude 500m R-4R, R-4T & R-4MR, R-4MT presens in my weapon packs
lindr2 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) When the general layout of the main panel is ready, i will need help for sure with all those cyrillic labels . Tu-128 panels were made for MSFS 2004 by Samdim & ? at www.avsim.su file *(beta): http://dl.avsim.su/dl/ticket/ZmlkPTk5Njkmd...8panel_beta.zip Edited March 18, 2009 by lindr2
ErikGen Posted March 18, 2009 Author Posted March 18, 2009 Tu-128 panels were made for MSFS 2004 by Samdim & ? at www.avsim.su Thanks lindr2 , i already have it ... very basic layout, pretty different from the real one, i think ... i'm using a Blinder pit as example for now ... and lot of fantasy . Thanks for the infos about the Bisnovat/Ash.
lindr2 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks lindr2 , i already have it ... very basic layout, pretty different from the real one, i think ... i'm using a Blinder pit as example for now ... and lot of fantasy . Thank You & Good luck!
Atreides Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 (edited) Keep at it Erik the Fiddler looks superb ! Best of all you're actually taking the time to do a dedicated pit for it, that's a bonus. Thanks in advance for your work. Edited March 18, 2009 by Atreides
kreelin Posted March 19, 2009 Posted March 19, 2009 (edited) Thanks to all those infos, this is the flight envelope of our futur Tu-128 (clean configuration) Edited March 19, 2009 by kreelin
76.IAP-Blackbird Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 Maybe I can use this pit for my Tu-22 mods ??
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 lindr, the source below talks about proposed nuck warhead for R-8. English: "small special charge" http://www.missiles.ru/k8.htm Anybody talk of nucks for R-4 or R-40?
lindr2 Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 lindr, the source below talks about proposed nuck warhead for R-8. English: "small special charge" http://www.missiles.ru/k8.htm Anybody talk of nucks for R-4 or R-40? please, be carefull in translation: ...Планировалось в 1958г. провести НИР совместно с Минсредмашем по определению возможности установки на К-8 малогабаритного спецзаряда. Эти работы были сняты с плана в 1959 году.... ... It was planned in 1958г. To carry out research together with MinSredMach by definition of a capability of installation on K-8 small-size nuclear warhead. These activities have been removed from the plan in 1959.... only know my Soviet nuclear anty-aircraft missles in SERIAL PRODUCTIONS {included in SAM pack beta] - V-300-215 Berkut (SA-1) - 5V18 Berkut (SA-1) - 44N6 Berkut (SA-1) - V-760 Volkhov (SA-2) - V-760V Volkhov (SA-2) - V-870 Biriusa (SA-5B) - V-880MN Dubna-D (SA-5C)
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 Ya, just a plan, but cancelled. If you know, was a plan to research nucs for R-4 or R-40? Thanks
lindr2 Posted March 20, 2009 Posted March 20, 2009 Ya, just a plan, but cancelled. If you know, was a plan to research nucs for R-4 or R-40? Thanks some autors {i.e. A.B.Shirokorad } said: '... R-40 with nuclear warhead probably exist', but any facts does not represent. i think NO, if these exist, we would have proofs.
Lexx_Luthor Posted March 21, 2009 Posted March 21, 2009 Thanks man!!! I guess...no, but just wondering if anybody even *talked* about the idea, proposal, research.... But would work okay for non-history sim campaign. And that's what I'm here for mostly
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