Fiddler WIP

[+lindr2]

Erikgen and I are still working hard on her I'm working on the Flight Model and have hard time to find reliable infos about its performance.

 

For instance wiki gives 2 different values (one 98KN and one 107KN) about Lyulka AL-7F-2 max power... So any good info are welcome

 

OK! AL-7F-2: on Tu-128 used AL-7F2 series 0, 1, 2, 4, 6 ,7

 

75000/10100 KG/sec -> 73.5/98.98 KN, TSFC on max 0.91, TSFCAB 2.04 ;

 

107KN is AL-7F4 or Al-7F4G some Tu-128 updated in 1963-67 {2-5 planes}

 

Have other questions? i want to help everyone, who worked on Soviet planes.

 

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/tu128/tu128-25.jpg

 

Question: you worked on on Tu-128 only in serie 1962-70 in service 1962~1982 187 planes R-4R & R-4T missles

 

on and Tu-128M - almost all tu-128 were updated [1979] in service 1979~1995 R-4MR & R-4MT missiles ?

 

 

Edited March 17, 2009 by lindr2

[Erwin_Hans]

BTW,what can we call the giant Tu-22 interceptor?

 

Tu-???

[+lindr2]

BTW,what can we call the giant Tu-22 interceptor?

 

Tu-???

 

Tu-22DP 2 x NK-25 engines 1985-90 project, based on Tu-22M3

 

DP - Dal'ny Perekhvatchik - Long range Interceptor {K-100?, KS-172?}

Edited March 17, 2009 by lindr2

[+kreelin]

Question: you worked on on Tu-128 only in serie 1962-70 in service 1962~1982 187 planes R-4R & R-4T missles

 

 

ErikGen will confirm it but I think it's 1962-1982 version (with R-4R & R-4T missles)...

 

Thanks for the engines info...

 

BTW, could you confirm the performance info I have ?

 

Empty weight: 24,500 kg (54,000 lb)

Loaded weight: 40,000 kg (88,200 lb)

Maximum speed: Mach 1.65 at high altitude (what altitude ?)

Range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi)

Edited March 17, 2009 by kreelin

[+lindr2]

ErikGen will confirm it but I think it's 1962-1982 version (with R-4R & R-4T missles)...

 

Thanks for the engines info...

 

BTW, could you confirm the performance info I have ?

 

Empty weight: 24,500 kg (54,000 lb)

Loaded weight: 40,000 kg (88,200 lb)

Maximum speed: Mach 1.65 at high altitude (what altitude ?)

Range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi)

 

Tu-128, 128M

 

Length - 30.06m

Span 17.53 m

Wing Area 96.94 m2

Height 7.15 m, 7.07m

Max takeoff W 43000 Kg, 43600Kg, normal 40000kg, fuel 15500 kg {10 fuselage + 2 wing fuell cells]

Empty weight: 25960 kg

Range: 2565 km, 2460km

Ceiling 15600m

Max speed: 1665 kmph With 4 missiles, 1910kmph no weapons [at 11000m?]

Takeoff/langing length: 1350m/1050m

Radar: Smerch, Smerch-M, Search R:50Km, Track R: 35-40Km

Intercept max range: 1170km,1130km

max Fl time 2.75 Hrs, 2.6 Hrs

Target max Altitude 21000m;

[+ErikGen]

Thanks for the infos.

I have not much time now but the project is still alive. Here some image ; the plane is ok but with only one image of the pit (the same posted by lindr2) it is a hard job.

When the general layout of the main panel is ready, i will need help for sure with all those cyrillic labels .

The version is the TU128 for now , but the TU128M should be a easy conversion (the top tail , some antennas and radar performance only, if i am not wrong).

[+76.IAP-Blackbird]

Oh wow, I haven`t expected a pit for this bird, oh what a suprise!

[Viggen]

That's a BIG interceptor! Lower shot makes it look really cool though.

[Guest F-16CJ]

Yeah I know, but you were talking about a Tu-4 as a missile carrier so I thought about a tu-22 mod...

 

In China, TU-4 was once used as a night fighter, interceptor P2V-7. TU-128 are at the basis of TU-98 on the development of an air defense interceptor aircraft, TU-128 at the TU-98 navigator module install a K-24 fire control radar, english-to-air 50 km away. Weapons for the R-4 air-to-air missile

TU-128 can carry fired R-40? Do not know ......

[Wraith27]

TU-128 can carry fired R-40? Do not know ......

 

In my knowledge it can't...but dont know why. Tu-128 was in service to late 80'ts so I dont know why they didnt make some upgrade...maby Lindr2 knows something?

[+lindr2]

In my knowledge it can't...but dont know why. Tu-128 was in service to late 80'ts so I dont know why they didnt make some upgrade...maby Lindr2 knows something?

 

R-4 was upgated to R-4M, work started in 1968, in 1969 first prototypes made, in 1969 - 12 test launches, in 1970 - 14 tests in 1973 - 18 tests, in 1974 - 14 tests , at fall 1974 test programm was complited.

 

R-4MR & R-4MT offically in service since 1979 .

 

R-4 can intercept targets up to 2000 kmph on frontal ascept, 1250 in rear, min altitude 7000-8000m

 

R-4M can intercept targets up to 2500 kmph on frontal ascept, 1250 in rear, min altitude 500m

 

R-4R, R-4T & R-4MR, R-4MT presens in my weapon packs

 

 

 

[+lindr2]

When the general layout of the main panel is ready, i will need help for sure with all those cyrillic labels .

 

Tu-128 panels were made for MSFS 2004 by Samdim & ? at www.avsim.su

 

 

 

file *(beta): http://dl.avsim.su/dl/ticket/ZmlkPTk5Njkmd...8panel_beta.zip

Edited March 18, 2009 by lindr2

[+ErikGen]

Tu-128 panels were made for MSFS 2004 by Samdim & ? at www.avsim.su

 

Thanks lindr2 , i already have it ... very basic layout, pretty different from the real one, i think ... i'm using a Blinder pit as example for now ... and lot of fantasy .

Thanks for the infos about the Bisnovat/Ash.

[+lindr2]

Thanks lindr2 , i already have it ... very basic layout, pretty different from the real one, i think ... i'm using a Blinder pit as example for now ... and lot of fantasy .

 

Thank You & Good luck!

[Atreides]

Keep at it Erik the Fiddler looks superb ! Best of all you're actually taking the time to do a dedicated pit for it, that's a bonus. Thanks in advance for your work.

Edited March 18, 2009 by Atreides

[+kreelin]

Thanks to all those infos, this is the flight envelope of our futur Tu-128 (clean configuration)

Edited March 19, 2009 by kreelin

[+76.IAP-Blackbird]

Maybe I can use this pit for my Tu-22 mods ??

[Lexx_Luthor]

lindr, the source below talks about proposed nuck warhead for R-8.

 

English: "small special charge"

 

http://www.missiles.ru/k8.htm

 

Anybody talk of nucks for R-4 or R-40?

[+lindr2]

lindr, the source below talks about proposed nuck warhead for R-8.

 

English: "small special charge"

 

http://www.missiles.ru/k8.htm

 

Anybody talk of nucks for R-4 or R-40?

 

please, be carefull in translation:

 

...Планировалось в 1958г. провести НИР совместно с Минсредмашем по определению возможности установки на К-8 малогабаритного спецзаряда. Эти работы были сняты с плана в 1959 году....

 

... It was planned in 1958г. To carry out research together with MinSredMach by definition of a capability of installation on K-8 small-size nuclear warhead.

 

These activities have been removed from the plan in 1959....

 

only know my Soviet nuclear anty-aircraft missles in SERIAL PRODUCTIONS {included in SAM pack beta]

 

- V-300-215 Berkut (SA-1)

 

- 5V18 Berkut (SA-1)

 

- 44N6 Berkut (SA-1)

 

- V-760 Volkhov (SA-2)

 

- V-760V Volkhov (SA-2)

 

- V-870 Biriusa (SA-5B)

 

- V-880MN Dubna-D (SA-5C)

[Lexx_Luthor]

Ya, just a plan, but cancelled.

 

If you know, was a plan to research nucs for R-4 or R-40?

 

Thanks

[+lindr2]

Ya, just a plan, but cancelled.

 

If you know, was a plan to research nucs for R-4 or R-40?

 

Thanks

 

some autors {i.e. A.B.Shirokorad } said: '... R-40 with nuclear warhead probably exist', but any facts does not represent.

 

i think NO, if these exist, we would have proofs.

[Lexx_Luthor]

Thanks man!!! I guess...no, but just wondering if anybody even *talked* about the idea, proposal, research....

 

But would work okay for non-history sim campaign. And that's what I'm here for mostly