How do you add Hellfire / Brimstone missiles to the AH-1W Cobra helicopter

[SkyStrike 15]

Hi,

could you plese tell me how i can add Hellfire/ brimstone missiles to the AH-1W SuperCobra helicopter I've got the latest weapons pack (July 3rd 2006) but Hellfires don't seem to be in the aircraft's inventory?

 

Could you please help me out?

 

 

Thanks.

 

Cheers!

[Guest capun]

This is using the existing weapons in the current weapons pack

 

- Modify the Data ini Weapon stations to take the AGM-114 Hellfire and 4-rocket pod

 

Example

 

[WeaponStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

.

.

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,EOGR,WGR,ATR,LGR ; Be sure that the WGR, LGR and ATR are allowed

 

- Modify the Loadout ini

 

Example

 

[Attack]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].RackType=M299

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[02].Quantity=4

Loadout[02].RackType=M299

Loadout[03].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[03].Quantity=4

Loadout[03].RackType=M299

Loadout[04].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[04].Quantity=4

Loadout[04].RackType=M299

 

You need to look at your AGM-114 Hellfire with your weapons editor, If it set-up as a Laser Guided, you need a laser designator, if it set as Wire Guided you don't need it.

 

My set-up is highly modified so I don't remember how the AGM-114 is set up as.

[SkyStrike 15]

This is using the existing weapons in the current weapons pack

 

- Modify the Data ini Weapon stations to take the AGM-114 Hellfire and 4-rocket pod

 

Example

 

[WeaponStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

.

.

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,EOGR,WGR,ATR,LGR ; Be sure that the WGR, LGR and ATR are allowed

 

- Modify the Loadout ini

 

Example

 

[Attack]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].RackType=M299

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[02].Quantity=4

Loadout[02].RackType=M299

Loadout[03].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[03].Quantity=4

Loadout[03].RackType=M299

Loadout[04].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[04].Quantity=4

Loadout[04].RackType=M299

 

You need to look at your AGM-114 Hellfire with your weapons editor, If it set-up as a Laser Guided, you need a laser designator, if it set as Wire Guided you don't need it.

 

My set-up is highly modified so I don't remember how the AGM-114 is set up as.

 

Thanks...

[FastCargo 412]

Of course, had you fully read the readme, you would have noticed this line:

 

"Aircraft weapons stations must have ATR,LGR to be able to carry the AGM-114A and F models...and have TLR,EOGR to carry the AGM-114L and BrimStone missiles. The A/F models require a laser, while the L and Brimstone are radar (we use GPS as a substitute) guided."

 

FastCargo

[+Dave 2,322]

What, actually read a readme? No way man......

[+Jarhead1 27]

I almost told him to read the readme last night but i decided not to be a smarta@# pri&% last night, lol

[SkyStrike 15]

Of course, had you fully read the readme, you would have noticed this line:

 

"Aircraft weapons stations must have ATR,LGR to be able to carry the AGM-114A and F models...and have TLR,EOGR to carry the AGM-114L and BrimStone missiles. The A/F models require a laser, while the L and Brimstone are radar (we use GPS as a substitute) guided."

 

FastCargo

 

Hi,

Thanks for your reply... I followed your suggestions and all these weapons are available, but there's one more problem: the quantity of weapons is restricted to 1 missile per hardpoint even when the quantity of weapons in the 'loadout.ini' file is set to 4... Please could you tell me how i can fix that?

 

Thanks & sorry for any trouble,

 

Cheers!

Edited October 14, 2007 by Tomcat_ace

[FastCargo 412]

Okay, make sure you read the second post in the weapon release thread:

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=22679

 

It talks about which weapons use which racks.

 

Also, capun's post here specified a line to add:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].RackType=M299 <----- This line here...VERY important. Use the weapon rack names specified instead of this one.

 

Example, if you want to use AGM-114Fs, your loadout.ini points should read something like this:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114F

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].RackType=M-299

Loadout[02].WeaponType=AGM-114F

Loadout[02].Quantity=4

Loadout[02].RackType=M-299

Loadout[03].WeaponType=AGM-114F

Loadout[03].Quantity=4

Loadout[03].RackType=M-299

Loadout[04].WeaponType=AGM-114F

Loadout[04].Quantity=4

Loadout[04].RackType=M-299

 

Try that...it should work. I've been trying to figure out myself why the program doesn't let you load them on it's own...

 

FastCargo

[+ravenclaw_007 7,633]

and this is how you add the brimstone to the tornado-gr1

 

 

 

[Attack]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=BOZ107

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=SkyShadow

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=Tank1500_Tornado

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=Tank1500_Tornado

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=BrimStone

Loadout[06].Quantity=3

Loadout[06].RackType=BrimStone3Pack

Loadout[07].WeaponType=BrimStone

Loadout[07].Quantity=3

Loadout[07].RackType=BrimStone3Pack

Loadout[08].WeaponType=BrimStone

Loadout[08].Quantity=3

Loadout[08].RackType=BrimStone3Pack

Loadout[09].WeaponType=BrimStone

Loadout[09].Quantity=3

Loadout[09].RackType=BrimStone3Pack

Loadout[10].WeaponType=

Loadout[10].Quantity=

Loadout[10].RackType=

Loadout[12].WeaponType=AIM-9L

Loadout[12].Quantity=2

Loadout[12].RackType=LAU-105

Loadout[13].WeaponType=AIM-9L

Loadout[13].Quantity=2

Loadout[13].RackType=LAU-105

[Piloto 3]

Jezz! why didnt i rread this last night! On my Ah-1 it only appeared the AGM-114A model...so thats why he didnt fire...

 

So i have to include TLR/EOGR to have the radar guided versions right?

 

 

And one more question,if i may, is it just me or the quadruple TOW rack appears with no skin in it just a grey "stick" missile form???

[FastCargo 412]

So i have to include TLR/EOGR to have the radar guided versions right?

 

Correct.

 

 

And one more question,if i may, is it just me or the quadruple TOW rack appears with no skin in it just a grey "stick" missile form???

 

Yep, that's an old version of the rack. In the readme, I stated:

 

"For multi-pack carry, if the TW engine finds a multi-rack that is listed eariler in the Weapondata.ini that can carry the missile, it will use that rack instead. You may have to fiddle with your loadout.ini files to get it to use the right rack."

 

Also, in the readme I detailed instructions on how to substitute using the nicer racks included in this weapons package instead of the old ones.

 

 

 

The dedicated TOW racks (the ones with the 'figure 8' tubes) still need to be replaced (along with the TOW missile). But that's for another time and another release.

 

FastCargo

[Piloto 3]

Correct.

Yep, that's an old version of the rack. In the readme, I stated:

 

"For multi-pack carry, if the TW engine finds a multi-rack that is listed eariler in the Weapondata.ini that can carry the missile, it will use that rack instead. You may have to fiddle with your loadout.ini files to get it to use the right rack."

 

Also, in the readme I detailed instructions on how to substitute using the nicer racks included in this weapons package instead of the old ones.

The dedicated TOW racks (the ones with the 'figure 8' tubes) still need to be replaced (along with the TOW missile). But that's for another time and another release.

 

FastCargo

 

 

just one more question if i may (and problably to state the obvious) when flying CAS with 8 AGM-114A they dont fire because the AH-1W doesnt have a Laser Designator, right?

[FastCargo 412]

just one more question if i may (and problably to state the obvious) when flying CAS with 8 AGM-114A they dont fire because the AH-1W doesnt have a Laser Designator, right?

 

Yep, exactly correct. You need to add one. Pretty easy to do, I had to do that myself. I just copied one from an aircraft that already had an internal laser designator.

 

FastCargo

[Piloto 3]

Well....basicly ive tried to install the TRAM of the intruder in the AH-1 and no joy....neither with the Mig-27D....

What oter built in designator planes did you came up?

 

And still only have the A version of the hellfire....and the brimstone doesnt apear in the Tornado...

[+ravenclaw_007 7,633]

Well....basicly ive tried to install the TRAM of the intruder in the AH-1 and no joy....neither with the Mig-27D....

What oter built in designator planes did you came up?

 

And still only have the A version of the hellfire....and the brimstone doesnt apear in the Tornado...

 

 

ok for the AH-1 you have to add this

 

[Nose]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DamageRating=DAMAGED

MassFraction=0.1

HasAeroCoefficients=FALSE

SystemName[001]=Pilot

SystemName[002]=CoPilot

SystemName[003]=ChainGun

SystemName[004]=LaserTag

SystemName[005]=TVTag

 

and this in the weaponstation

 

[LaserTag]

SystemType=LASER_DESIGNATOR

ModelNodeName=FLIR

CameraFOV=2.500000

CameraPosition=0.000000,3.5000,0.000000

CameraYaw=0.000000

CameraPitch=0.000000

CameraRoll=0.000000

SightTexture=Tads_Lock.tga

EODisplayFlags=268697600

SeekerRange=27.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=120.000000

SeekerNodeName=

SearchFOV=5.000000

SearchTexture=Tads_Search.tga

 

[TVTag]

SystemType=EO_CAMERA

ModelNodeName=TV

CameraFOV=10.000000

CameraPosition=0.000000,3.5000,0.000000

CameraYaw=0.000000

CameraPitch=0.000000

CameraRoll=0.000000

 

for the Tornado the loadout as mention above and the weaponstation like this

 

[CenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=5

StationGroupID=4

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.653,-1.278

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=2050

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,ARM,ASM,EP,RCN,LP

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[LeftCenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.60,0.800,-1.278

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=4050

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,2BR,TER,TLR,EOGR

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_left

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[RightCenterlineStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.60,0.800,-1.278

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=4050

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,2BR,TER,TLR,EOGR

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_right

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[LeftCenterlineStationRear]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=8

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.60,-1.750,-1.150

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=4050

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,2BR,TER,TLR,EOGR

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_left

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[RightCenterlineStationRear]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.60,-1.750,-1.150

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=4050

AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,2BR,TER,TLR,EOGR

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_right

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[LeftCenterlineStationMid]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=10

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.60,-1.000,-1.160

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=1000

AllowedWeaponClass=FT,ARM,ASM,LGB,EOGB

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_left

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

 

[RightCenterlineStationMid]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=11

StationGroupID=5

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.60,-1.000,-1.160

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-3.3,0.0

LoadLimit=1000

AllowedWeaponClass=FT,ARM,ASM,LGB,EOGB

AttachmentType=UK,NATO

ModelNodeName=pylon_center_right

PylonMass=31.75

PylonDragArea=0.02

LaunchRailNodeName=

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

FuelTankName=Tank1500_Tornado

MovingPylon=TRUE

RotatingPylon=FALSE

EODisplayFlags=268697600

SeekerRange=27.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=120.000000

 

 

i hope that helps

Edited October 16, 2007 by ravenclaw_007

[Piloto 3]

Thanks ravenclaw, that did it with the AGM-114A!!!

Still doensnt appear the L though...

As for the Brimstone it was a problem with service years....the Brimstone started in 1999 and the tornado ended in 1985 ( i dont know why though).

Just edited and voila....Brimstone in 1985!

 

Thanks again.

[SkyStrike 15]

I managed to add AGM-114A Hellfire missiles to the SuperCobra helicopter each hardpoint carries 4 missiles, but they're placed in all odd angles...& furthermore the AGM-114L & Brimstone still do not

appear in the loadout.. even after adding the laser designator...

 

Please help..

 

Thanks...

[Piloto 3]

I managed to add AGM-114A Hellfire missiles to the SuperCobra helicopter each hardpoint carries 4 missiles, but they're placed in all odd angles...& furthermore the AGM-114L & Brimstone still do not

appear in the loadout.. even after adding the laser designator...

 

Please help..

 

Thanks...

 

 

Well....the L i cant explain since it doesnt appear to me as well, and the Brimstone is natural it doesnt appear because its a UK missile and youre flying a USN bird!

 

ANd also check the service dates with the weapons editor....worked with me.

[FastCargo 412]

Alrighty folks, a few people seem to be having problems, so I'm going to post parts of my data and ini files to help you get going.

 

First, for the AH-1W data file, find the following sections, and cut/paste (changes noted in BOLD, however, do a line by line check to make sure nothing else was changed):

 

[Nose]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=

ShowFromCockpit=FALSE

DamageRating=DAMAGED

MassFraction=0.1

HasAeroCoefficients=FALSE

SystemName[001]=Pilot

SystemName[002]=CoPilot

SystemName[003]=ChainGun

SystemName[004]=LaserDesignator

 

[WeaponStation1]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.4395,0.2050,1.2699

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=0.50

LengthLimit=2.5

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,EOGR,WGR,LGR,ATR,TLR

AttachmentType=USAF,USN,USMC

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=25

 

[WeaponStation2]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=2

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.4300,0.2050,1.2563

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

DiameterLimit=0.50

LengthLimit=2.5

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,EOGR,WGR,LGR,ATR,TLR

AttachmentType=USAF,USN,USMC

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=25

 

[WeaponStation3]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-0.8558,0.0910,1.1897

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

DiameterLimit=0.50

LengthLimit=2.5

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,GP,EOGR,WGR,LGR,ATR,TLR

AttachmentType=USAF,USN,USMC

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=25

 

[WeaponStation4]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=4

StationGroupID=4

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.8672,0.0910,1.1947

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

DiameterLimit=0.50

LengthLimit=2.5

AllowedWeaponClass=RP,RCKT,GP,EOGR,WGR,LGR,ATR,TLR

AttachmentType=USAF,USN,USMC

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=25

 

[LaserDesignator]

ReferenceName=AVQ-23

SystemType=LASER_DESIGNATOR

CameraFOV=2.500000

CameraPosition=0.000000,0.125000,0.000000

CameraYaw=0.000000

CameraPitch=-30.000000

CameraRoll=0.000000

SightTexture=avq23sight1.tga

EODisplayFlags=268697600

SeekerRange=27.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=180.000000

SeekerNodeName=SeekerHead

SearchFOV=0.000000

SearchTexture=

 

For the loadout.ini:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114A (or AGM-114F)

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].Racktype=M-279 (or M-299)

 

If you want the L model, then it's this:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114L

Loadout[01].Quantity=4

Loadout[01].Racktype=M-299L

 

If you want the 2 pack, A or F-model, then it's this:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114A (or AGM-114F)

Loadout[01].Quantity=2

Loadout[01].Racktype=M-272

 

If you want the 2 pack, L-model, then it's this:

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=AGM-114L

Loadout[01].Quantity=2

Loadout[01].Racktype=M-272L

 

Note the differences folks! Use the loadout.ini (and make sure you have the right YEAR) to get the missiles you want...but use the proper rack!

 

From the weapon release thread:

 

Brimstone - Brimstone 3-pack

AGM-114A - M-272, M-279, M-299

AGM-114F - M-272, M-279, M-299

AGM-114L - M-272L, M-299L

 

The reason the L model needs a different rack is that ATRs cannot carry EOGR weapons, so I had to make TLR versions of those racks. Don't mix them up when building your loadout files.

 

FastCargo

[FastCargo 412]

I managed to add AGM-114A Hellfire missiles to the SuperCobra helicopter each hardpoint carries 4 missiles, but they're placed in all odd angles...

 

If you have a screenshot, that would help...I suspect I know what the problem is, but I need to see a screenshot first.

 

FastCargo

[SkyStrike 15]

If you have a screenshot, that would help...I suspect I know what the problem is, but I need to see a screenshot first.

 

FastCargo

 

Hi,

Sorry for the delayed reply... here are the screenshots of the AH-1W carrying Hellfire missiles which are placed at odd angles... I armed the chopper with 16 hellfires (4 missles/ hardpoint) at the loadout screen and this is the result... (None of the missiles have been fired yet and only 8 out of 16 missiles appear loaded at odd angles.)

Edited October 20, 2007 by Tomcat_ace

[FastCargo 412]

As I suspected.

 

Those are not the racks and missiles that I built. Did you confirm that my models are in your Objects/Weapons directory?

 

Did you follow the readme explicitly?

 

Did you add the weapons properly to the weaponsdata.ini as per the readme AND run the weapons editor as per the knowledge base?

 

Did you adjust your loadout.ini in your AH-1W directory as listed in this thread?

 

FastCargo

[SkyStrike 15]

As I suspected.

 

Those are not the racks and missiles that I built. Did you confirm that my models are in your Objects/Weapons directory?

 

Did you follow the readme explicitly?

 

Did you add the weapons properly to the weaponsdata.ini as per the readme AND run the weapons editor as per the knowledge base?

 

Did you adjust your loadout.ini in your AH-1W directory as listed in this thread?

 

FastCargo

 

Hi again,

I've followed your suggestions and downloaded the Hellfire & Brimstone weapons pack that you created.. and i had adjusted the loadout.ini as stated in this thread... the AGM-114A & AGM-114F are loaded in their proper places on the aircraft's hardpoints but the AGM-114L appears to be loaded a bit disproportionately... In the following screenshots the A & F Hellfires are positioned A-OK but the 'L' Hellfire is positioned a bit disproportionate even after using the M-299L rack. All helicopters in the screenshots were loaded with 16 missiles (4 missiles per hardpoint)

 

But anyway, thanks a lot for solving my problems regarding the AGM-114A & F Hellfires..

Sorry to trouble you but could you please help me with the 'L' Hellfire ?

 

Thanks a lot once again..

 

Cheers!

Edited October 21, 2007 by Tomcat_ace

[Talos 0]

Is it using the same pylon as the others? And is the dimension data the same as the other Hellfires? The AH-1 isn't supposed to carry the AGM-114L anyway, that one is just for the Longbow Apache.

[FastCargo 412]

That last picture is Brimstone 3-pack rails...NOT M-299Ls. They are not meant to carry Hellfires. They shouldn't even be an option because they are RAF only.

 

FastCargo