kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Hi pilots, modders and .ini gurus :yes: I read some topics about Mig-23 cocpits. Conclusions were: 1. Su-17 pit 2. Su-15 pit Su-17 is closer to Mig-23 pit (my opinoin). There is no big radar scope in Su-17 pit (there is one little under gunsight, in Su-17 pit for flogger versions). Look here: http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Mus...ig23Cockpit.jpg This is Mig-23ML pit. There is no radar scope. Mig-23ML has radar. But it is correct, that there is no radar scope in ML version. Info about target is on HUD: http://www.defencetalk.com/world_military_...er_20041109.php scroll to avionics. So it is hard to make new cocpit. Much harder than plane model. On the other hand, we have good Su-17 pit for Mig-23 series. So what we need to make new HUD for Floggers (without radar scope in cocpit)? I can try contact czechoslovak flogger pilot for info. But I am not sure that he send me his answer (I am planing add faffs/chlares dispensers to floggers, there is topic about that: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=23007 We are still working on Mig-21MA/R series. Next step are floggers. Adding faffs/chlares are simply .ini edits. And I have workable flares/chaffs for Su-17: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...mp;#entry109326 post number eight) This is just idea. I will be happy for any interest on this Greetings from rainy Central Europe Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
+Brain32 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Actually, maybe if the radar screen and that thing left of the gunsight in the MiG-21MF pit would be moved out of sight I think we would get a proper looking MiG23 cockpit, however then you have a radar problem, in mig23 it was projected onto the hud, I don't know how would that be sloved
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Well, we need KNOW-HOW from Mig-23 pilot for good info about its avionics. Some photos, drawnings and HUD guru to make new Mig-23 HUD values. Thanx for join Brain32 :yes: Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 At 2:18 gunfire At 4:00 lock on target Probable Mig-23 HUD
Guest Saganuay82 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Might be a HUD but that has to be in a simulator.
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 Might be a HUD but that has to be in a simulator. Yes, looks like sim. Is it close to real HUD? That is question
+Fubar512 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 The problem is that you cannot project radar data onto the HUD glass in this series. No range gates, target symbols, etc.
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) The problem is that you cannot project radar data onto the HUD glass in this series. No range gates, target symbols, etc. Hi, Fubar. Can you explane it closer, please? Why we can not project something similar like HUD values and symbols on F-16 to HUD Su-17? I do not understand this prob. If there is not way to do it, this means old cocpit with all old functions, or new one. Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
+Fubar512 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 We can display a radar and IR target box (once a target is aquired). But, the range gate and target return we saw in that video won't appear, or rather, won't work, as it cannot be projected onto the HUD glass due to the limitations of the avionics code (avionics60-70.dll). The gunsight is easy to do, though.
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 This means that there is no target range is projected on F-15/16 etc. series HUD?
+Crusader Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 The game engine isnt capable for soviet avionics.. you can get a Target Designator Box, gunsight and range readout .. and thats about all. The radar function of the HUD ( displaying the contacts and their info ect ) cant be done .
Guest Saganuay82 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Oh I don't know about that Crusader, I think you should ask Moonjumper about a statement like that.
+Fubar512 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 This means that there is no target range is projected on F-15/16 etc. series HUD? The range-gate is the vertical bar that appears to the left side of the Mig-23's HUD in that video. As Crusader states, we can "project" a digital range readout on the HUD, but not a working range-gate.
+Crusader Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Oh I don't know about that Crusader, I think you should ask Moonjumper about a statement like that. "There is no MoonJumper at CA.... believe me !!!!1"
Silverbolt Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 LoL isnt Crusader Moonjumper? \o\ this MJ in signature is very suspect O.ô
Guest Saganuay82 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 No I don't think so, I think he said MJ meant "More Jam" awhile back.
Silverbolt Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) its a possibility i guess i have another clue... some months ago before meet the CA, im Simqh forum, in Moon jumper signature was something + or - this Moon Jumper Crusader Jolly Jumper i can be wrong but i guess O.ô anyway, sorry to change the trheat \o/ Edited November 10, 2007 by Silverbolt
+Brain32 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Doh M.J. obviously stands for Michael Jordan Edited November 10, 2007 by Brain32
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Oh, poeple, your english is big league for me If we can make some things from Mig-23 HUD, is it better than Su-17 original pit with radar screen? What do you think about that? I think yes. What about you guys? :yes: Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) Well I have only 2 photos of working hud Ooooooooh, ArtuR looks great!!!! THANX, THANX, THANX!!!!! P.S.: what about fuel tanks for Mig-23? Did you find some good model in weapondata.ini? Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
gerald14 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 Oh, poeple, your english is big league for me If we can make some things from Mig-23 HUD, is it better than Su-17 original pit with radar screen? What do you think about that? I think yes. What about you guys? :yes: I guess so but you can get some HUD data from Marcfighter's Su-27 and make a new one from different HUD's like (F-15 and F-16) to match it.
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 (edited) I guess so but you can get some HUD data from Marcfighter's Su-27 and make a new one from different HUD's like (F-15 and F-16) to match it. Hi gerald, my friend Nice to see you :yes: Wow, you have good idea, I think. But I do not understand any HUD data Is it hard work? Inprovisation is our very good friend Edited November 10, 2007 by kukulino
gerald14 Posted November 10, 2007 Posted November 10, 2007 If you are making a new one then yes it is but making changes to one is kind of hard.
kukulino Posted November 10, 2007 Author Posted November 10, 2007 Is here anybody to try this way (or another)?
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