Chaff/Flare ejector positions...

[Wrench 9,848]

Ok, i can't find my notes and/or modded versions that have the CORRECT USN placements on the upper fuselage for the aforementioned Rhinos...

 

As I'm doing some very small upgrades to them, can't sombody hook a brutha up??

 

I feel so funky!!!

 

TIA!

Wrench

kevin stein

[Viper6 3]

I dont think I can help you, but it is great to know that you are updating Rhinos, Your rhinos are the best!!

[+331Killerbee 840]

Wrench,

 

These are some 2-3 Years old entries......Could use some fine tuning. I'll post them fine tuned when I get home Tomorrow.

 

SystemNameXXX=ChaffStation

 

[ChaffStation]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-1.250,1.15,0.601

EjectVelocity=8.00,0.00,8.00

NumChaff=15

NumFlare=15

 

 

 

BTW.....

 

The USN/USMC F-4's used the AN/ALE-29A's

 

AN/ALE-29A's......30 Shots in any combination. (Flares/Chaff)

AN/ALE-39..........60 Shots.

AN/ALE-37A's......240 Shots.

 

Hope this helps some.

 

331KillerBee

Edited January 16, 2009 by 331Killerbee

[Wrench 9,848]

That's what I"m looking for!!!

 

Thank KB!! I'll wait till tommorrow, after you check your other stuff, and upload after that!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+331Killerbee 840]

Hey Man,

Here's a Link to a Pic of the Location........It's the small "Red" Door opened on the side of the Aircraft.

 

http://www.f-4.nl/usm16.html

 

The "RAT" is on the both sides more foward up the Intake.

 

331KB

Edited January 16, 2009 by 331Killerbee

[+331Killerbee 840]

USAF......"D's&E's" Aft, firing Aft of the Shoulder Pylons behind the Winder Rails...

 

The "C's" used AN/ALE-2A's which were a Chaff/Flare Pod that looked like a small Drop Tank.

Edited January 16, 2009 by 331Killerbee

[+331Killerbee 840]

Wrench, Ole' Buddy.

 

I'm in the process of transfering Data from My old Puter' to a new one I got over the Holidays. But I will have it fired up for Your Entries Tomorrow. But with that in mind, I'll do a Post here with the locations for the USN/USMC Birds that I can remember from working on them.

 

But here's some rough examples...

 

A-4's/OA-4's........Aft section of Tail, Just left of the Tail Hook.

A-6's/EA-6A's &B's..Just foward of the Tail Hook.

F/A-18's.......Just Aft of Landing Gears...Both Sides.

F-8's........ALE-2 Pods.

EF-10B's....ALE-2 Pods.

OV-10's.....On the sides of the Booms.

C-130's.....On the sides of the Main Gear Blisters.

AH-1's......Sides and Top of both Pylons

CH-46's....Top of Landing Gear Housings.

CH-53's.....(Same)

RF-4's........None, Until the "Bee Line" Mods in the early 80's.

T/AV-8A's & C's...Just behind the Air Breaks.

AV-8B's (Early)...(Same)

AV-8B Plus....Behind Air Break and four Buckets on upper section of Aft Fuselage.

 

Can't think of any more, right off hand. Old Man, LOL.But, I'll do a Thread with these locations down pat. I had done them over at another Forum some time back......Seems to be gone.

 

SEMPER FI!

331KillerBee

Edited January 16, 2009 by 331Killerbee

[+Crusader 2,101]

For USN Phantoms, you can take the positions from TKs SF2 B or J kites, he has them spot on.

[+NeverEnough 78]

Here's what I copy and pasted from KillerBee's original post on SimHQ:

 

KillerBee:

The F-4S had two ALE-29's at a location that would be hard pressed to find if You hadn't worked on them before. Each ALE-29 had 30 slots for either Chaff or Flares. ALE-29's are 30 Shot Buckets that are basically the mainstay Bucket of the US Navy/Marines since the early 60's. Some of the Aircraft had provisions for two ALE-29's like the A-6's and F-4's. Thus, the Total of 60. A-4's, AV-8's and A-7's only had a single Bucket. We used to load Single Bucket Aircraft like the A-4/AV-8 with one Chaff Cartrage, one Flare Cartrage....ect. Location of the Buckets as follows:

 

A-6- Two Buckets in the Middle of the Arrestor Hook....Middle of the "A" Frame Hook on the Aircraft's Airframe.

 

A-4- Just foward of the Arrestor Hook, offset to the left just alittle.

 

AV-8- Just forward of the Airbrake. This is for the "A" and "C" Models. The AV-8B had them there, Plus added Two more Buckets on the Fuselage Aft Section just before the Vertical Tail.

 

F-4- US Navy/Marine Phantoms had two Buckets just Aft of Mid Section of the Aircraft behind a Trap Door System. The Doors would open and eject the CM....I'll have to Post a Pic on this Location, But all Versions of Navy/Marine F-4's had them there.

USAF Phantoms had there Buckets on the Aft End of the Shoulder Pylons, right behind the Sidewinder Rails...

 

Also take in account that some of these Aircraft had On-Board ECM to go along with their Ejectable CM.....

 

XXX> Meaning next Number in Line...

 

Put this under FUSELAGE in the DATA_INI's of the Navy Version Phantoms...F-4B thru QF-4S.

 

SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser

 

 

At the bottom of the Weapons Stations Section of the DATA_INI's put this:

 

ChaffDispenser ***

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-1.00,1.00,0.50

EjectVelocity=-5.00,0.00,10.00

NumChaff=30

NumFlare=30

 

*** Note. Add Brackets around the Word ChaffDispenser.

 

Some of You Research Guru's will have to check, But I think the F-4C had the Chaff/Flare Location the same as the Navy/Marine Birds....

 

Here's for all the other USAF Phantoms...

 

In the Aircraft's DATA_INI under LeftWing put this: SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser1

 

RightWing this: SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser2

 

 

Under the Weapons Section, Add this:

 

ChaffDispenser1

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-2.05,1.50,-1.23

EjectVelocity=0.00,-20.00,0.00

NumChaff=0

NumFlare=30

 

ChaffDispenser2

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=2.05,1.50,-1,23

EjectVelocity=0.00,-20.00,0.00

NumChaff=30

NumFlare=0

 

Remember to add the Brackets. This should take care of US Phantoms.....

 

A-4's....

 

Under Fuselage in the DATA_INI:

 

SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser

 

Under Weapons Station Section:

 

[ChaffDispenser]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-0.25,-1.23,-0.53

EjectVelocity=0.00,-4.50,-5.50

NumChaff=15

NumFlare=15

 

WOV A-7's.....

 

Under Fuselage in the DATA_INI :

 

SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser1

SystemName[XXX]=ChaffDispenser2

 

Under the Weapons Station Section:

 

[ChaffDispenser1]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-0.30,-4.89,-0.65

EjectVelocity=0.00,-5.00,-5.00

NumChaff=0

NumFlare=30

 

[ChaffDispenser2]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=0.30,-4.89,-0.65

EjectVelocity=0.00,-5.00,-5.00

NumChaff=30

NumFlare=0

 

WOV A-6A......

 

Under Fuselage in the DATA_INI, Change this:

 

SystemName[005]=Tailhook

SystemName[006]=LeftMainGear

SystemName[007]=RightMainGear

SystemName[008]=ECM

SystemName[009]=ChaffDispenser1<< Add the "1"

SystemName[010]=ChaffDispenser2<< Add This.

SystemName[011]=TopFuselageLight<< Renumber This.

 

 

Under the Weapons Section of the DATA_INI, Remove the Old Entry and Add this:

 

[ChaffDispenser1]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=0.00,-6.38,0.34

EjectVelocity=0.00,0.00,-10.00

NumChaff=0

NumFlare=30

 

[ChaffDispenser2]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=0.00,-6.78,0.34

EjectVelocity=0.00,0.00,-10.00

NumChaff=30

NumFlare=0

 

The AV-8C should be OK. I informed Kreelin's Team on Location durning Development. Ejection Angles could be Tweaked some more.

 

 

Thanks KB

[Wrench 9,848]

Excellent...when we get the data amassed, I'll re-edit this thread, and put it in the Knowledge Base, in one of the Weapons Threads.

That'll help folks wanting to add the properly placed CM dispensers

 

Crusader: don't have SF2 (and probably won't for a looooong time -money issues!) Wouldn't happen to have those values around would you?

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+331Killerbee 840]

Your're exactlly right, NeverEnough. But do keep in mind, It was 1975 when I last touched an F-4. The last time I touched an ALE was 1992'. I do get confused in My old Age. Loaded alot of Mk 80's series off of them thou'. VMFA-235. VMFA-333.

 

SEMPER FI!

 

331KillerBee

 

 

BTW.....Is it cold where Yall' are at? 3 degrees Fahenheit here....

Edited January 16, 2009 by 331Killerbee

[+331Killerbee 840]

And it was a Looong time ago.....

 

 

331KillerBee

[+Crusader 2,101]

Crusader: don't have SF2 (and probably won't for a looooong time -money issues!) Wouldn't happen to have those values around would you?

 

Wrench

kevin stein

 

Will get them.

Have had a thread at c5 with A-4 and A-7 dispenser data but that all pooofed .

[+NeverEnough 78]

If "people in the know" like KillerBee and Crusader shared their insights, I made sure I kept good notes!

 

A-4E & F

Only in the left underside of the rear fuselage, near the end of the hook.

Original position by KillerBee, slightly tweaked by me (Moonjumper).

add to

 

[Fuselage]

SystemName[0xx]=ChaffDispenser

 

and down by the // Weapon Stations

 

[ChaffDispenser]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition=-0.2,-2.75,-0.50

EjectVelocity=0.00,-4.50,-5.50

NumChaff=30

NumFlare=0

 

 

How do I get a pair of flares/chaff to exit the station?

I get get each of them exit different sides of the fuselage but not two at the same time.

 

Add two separate dispensers at the same position but with slightly different EjectVelocity

 

SystemName[014]=Chaff

SystemName[015]=Chaff2

 

[Chaff]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition= -0.3,-5.30,-0.8

EjectVelocity=-5.0,0.0,-2.0

NumChaff=30

 

[Chaff2]

SystemType=DECOY_DISPENSER

EjectPosition= 0.3,-5.30,-0.8

EjectVelocity=-5.0,0.0,-1.5

NumChaff=30

 

A-7

With this setup (example only from my own A-7 Chaff modifications, not sure about your eject positions) you release TWO Chaff cartridges with one button push. Chaff goes the lower left side with some dispersion due to the different EjectVelocity.

 

 

BTW, I see that your dispenser locations are more forward on the fuselage than they are on my A-7's. Mine have them nearly direct under the middle of the tailplane (seen forward/rearward axis) and offset 30 cm to the sides. Two dispensers holding 30 *rounds* each.

A-7B has 60 Chaff total

A-7D and E has 30 Chaff/Flare each.

 

Took the dispenser positions from photos in Ospreys book on A-7 Units during the Vietnam War.