Olham 164 Posted September 18, 2009 (edited) Nr. 40: FMV/Phönixwerke Phönix 122 D.III The type entered service with the army in 1919, was retired from the air force, where it was designated J 1, in 1932. A total of twelve served with the Swedish armed forces. Photo shows a plane built in 1919, military serial 947. The Phönix D.I was an Austro-Hungarian First World War biplane fighter built by the Phönix Flugzeug-Werke and based on the Hansa-Brandenburg D.I. Development The Phönix D.I was the second design developed by the Phönix Flugzeug-Werke based on Hansa-Brandenburg designs which it has produced under licence.[1] The D.I was a single-seat biplane fighter with improvements over the original Hansa-Brandenburg design which included more efficient wings, a more powerful engine and structural improvements.[1] A prototype was first flown in 1917 and proved to be fast but difficult to handle but because of the urgent need for fighters the D.I entered production. To improve the problems a modified variant, the D.II was introduced with balanced elevators and balanced ailerons on the upper wings. A further development was the D.III which had balanced ailerons on both wings and a more powerful 230hp (172kW) Hiero in-line engine. The last of 158 aircraft of all three types was delivered on 4 November 1918. Variants D.I - Initial production variant with a 200hp (149kW) Hiero inline engine.[1] D.II - Improved variant with balanced elevators and balanced ailerons on the upper wings.[1] D.III - Improved variant with balanced ailerons on both wings and powered by a 230hp (172kW) Hiero in-line engine.[1] Operators Austria-Hungary * KuKLFT * Austro-Hungarian Navy Sweden * Swedish Air Force Edited September 18, 2009 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 18, 2009 This particular aircraft is: A Swedish Phönixwerke Phönix 122 D.III The type entered service with the army in 1919, was retired from the air force, where it was designated J 1, in 1932. A total of twelve served with the Swedish armed forces. Built in 1919, military serial 947. However, in general it's a development of the Phönix D.I which was the second design developed by the Phönix Flugzeug-Werke based on Hansa-Brandenburg designs which it produced under licence.The D.I was a single-seat biplane fighter with improvements over the original Hansa-Brandenburg design which included more efficient wings, a more powerful engine and structural improvements.A prototype was first flown in 1917 and proved to be fast but difficult to handle but because of the urgent need for fighters the D.I entered production. To improve the problems a modified variant, the D.II was introduced with balanced elevators and balanced ailerons on the upper wings. Then a further development was the D.III which is what we have here, which had balanced ailerons on both wings and a more powerful 230hp (172kW) Hiero in-line engine. Drat! ROFTL! we must have been typing at the same time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 18, 2009 Oh no! Sorry, Dej, really! I would have thought you'd go for the V-Strut. Come on - second try! Is it allowed? Lou - can a poster, who came after another's right answer shortly, post again on another pic ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 18, 2009 In this case, since both of you gave the same correct answer within a minute of each other, Dej is free to go for one of the two remaining planes. If however Dej's answer had been incorrect I would have said no. So, two more points to you Olham, and Dej, you are free to try again on this set. BTW, great info from both of you on the Phonix D.III. I thought you might get tripped up on this one, but you're too sharp for that. Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 18, 2009 In this case, since both of you gave the same correct answer within a minute of each other, Dej is free to go for one of the two remaining planes. If however Dej's answer had been incorrect I would have said no. So, two more points to you Olham, and Dej, you are free to try again on this set. BTW, great info from both of you on the Phonix D.III. I thought you might get tripped up on this one, but you're too sharp for that. Cheers! Lou Thanks Lou. And Olham too. But I'll wait the 36 hours as per the rules from the start. Olham pipped me by a less than a minute but that's fair and within the rules. Besides, it gave me the best laugh I've had all week when I hit the POST button and saw the bottom of Olham's post on the same pic. ROTFL, honest! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burning Beard 14 Posted September 18, 2009 I believe Nr 38 is a Nieuport 17, Country: France Manufacturer: Societe Anonyme des Etablissements Nieuport Type: Fighter First Introduced: March 1916 Number Built: Engine(s): Le Rhône 9J, 9 cylinder, rotary, 110 hp Wing Span: 26 ft 11 in (8.22 m) Length: 18 ft 10 in (5.74 m) Height: 7 ft 10 in Empty Weight: 827 lb (376 kg) Gross Weight: 1246 lb (565 kg) Max Speed: 110 mph (177 km/h) Ceiling: 17,388 ft (5,300 m) Endurance: 2 hours Crew: 1 Armament: 1 Lewis .303 machine gun and/or 1 Vickers .303 machine gun This one obviously has the Vickers gun, and I think it is Belgian from the photograph, but I could be wrong, though the rudder surfaces do not look like red, white and blue. Beard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) Pic #37 is the Fokker DV. Reinhold Platz's first design was the Fokker DV (M.22) single seater, which was brought out in the autumn of 1916. The engine, a 100h.p. Oberursel rotary, was provided with a circular open-fronted cowling. A large bowl shaped spinner covered the airscrew hub, so that thee was only a small annular opening left for cooling purposes. The single bay wing cellule was unusual in that the upper plane, which carried horn-balanced ailerons, was swept back. Horizontal stringers were used to give rounded sides to the fuselage; the emppenage was of typical Fokker shape. A single synchronised Spandau gun was fitted.Some 250 DV's were constructed. It gained the reputation of being difficult to fly and was thoroughly unpopular with pilots. Source: Fighter Aircraft of the 1914-1918 War by Lamberton and Cheesman Edited September 19, 2009 by Rickitycrate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 19, 2009 Dej, that is your choice Sir, and very sporting of you. Best of luck with your next try. Burning Beard, I'm sorry but #38 is not the Nieuport 17. Great info on your guess though Sir. Rickitycrate, well done, #37 is the Fokker D.V, and the example shown was in service with Jasta 5. Two more points for you Sir. Also, for folks in the know about Jasta 5, those are Ltn's Bäumer and von Hippel leaning against the wing of the plane. Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 19, 2009 Wow, that's British sportsmanship! I would have found it okay and right for you to try another, cause we where really posting at the same time; AND most important, your answer was right. Lou said the same. I hope for you then, that no one comes up with the right answer for the V-strut until 36 hours are over - but that's a long time. Congratulation, Rickity! I didn't know that one, honestly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) Very kind of you both, but if you look again at my post I failed to say which photo I was referring to. Correcting that oversight would have taken more time so it's quite right that Olham's post be accepted and mine be considered to be too late. I believe I DO know precisely what #38 is and yes, 36 hours is a wait, but rules is rules. C'est la guerre. Edited September 19, 2009 by Dej Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 19, 2009 What happened here with Dej is the main reason this game is so intense for me. In this set of pics I was going to identify pic 38 but thought I should check and see if someone else had done it yet. Sure enough Burning Beard gave the same ID I was going to give. So that made me work on the Fokker DV. I tought it was French from the engine and spinner but then I saw the German pilots, captured plane maybe.... well feeling very rushed to give the answer I posted asap. If a guy could take his leasurely time you could identify the crew and all the assorted whatnots but that's not this game is it. The tension makes it what it is. And in my case someone else's answer earned me 2 points. Dej, you are a good sport. Good luck on that last answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 19, 2009 Don't give up, Dej - I'll be out tomorrow from 08:00 AM until maybe 20:00 PM. Perhaps you get the last plane right then, or there's a new set? Good luck! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 19, 2009 I'm grateful for for the information Olham and and touched by the gesture... and the content of PMs from others too. But this is getting far too friendly, it's a competition, dammit! Play to win chaps, I've had my turn at bat, three cheers for the next man up. If anyone's holding back because they think I have some kind of 'droit de seigneur' over the answer to #38, DON'T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 19, 2009 Dej, I got one emoticon for you, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 20, 2009 Don't worry, Dej - I WANT the Blue Max! But I'm really out the house all day, cause my friend's house is still not ready. We got to plaster the walls (not us!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red-Dog 3 Posted September 20, 2009 Hi Chaps, No 38 is a Belgain air force Nieuport 23. The main defference's between the 17 and the 23 were that the 23 had a light weight version of the LeRhone 9J engine fitted that gave it a better power to weight ratio.Also a single Vickers machine gun was fitted sync'd to fire through the prop.One interesting fact is that the RFC ordered all it's 23's with only a Lewis gun fitted above the wing? General characteristics Crew: 1, pilot Length: 6.40 m (21 ft 0 in) Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in) Height: 2.40 m (7 ft 11 in) Wing area: 14.8 m² ( ft²) Empty weight: 355 kg (781 lb) Gross weight: 574 kg (1,263 lb) Powerplant: 1 × Le Rhône 9Jb, 90 kW (120 hp) Performance Maximum speed: 168 km/h (105 mph) Endurance: 1 hours 7 min Service ceiling: 6,500 m (21,000 ft) Rate of climb: 5.8 m/s (1,100 ft/min) Armament 1 × fixed, forward-firing .303 Vickers machine gun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 20, 2009 Very good Red-Dog! It is a Belgian Nieuport 23, belonging to 1 ére, and by the cowling appears to be an early version. The N23 is one of my favorite Entente fighters; agile, quick, and unlike the Camel, forgiving. Here are the contest standings after photo set 10: Olham, 24 points Dej, 19 points Red-Dog, 18 points Rickitycrate, 16 points Bullethead, 5 points Duce Lewis, 5 points Luftace, 5 points Burning Beard, 4 points Check Six, 2 points rhythalion, 2 points JohnGresham, 1 point Shrikehawk, 1 point TonyO, 1 point zoomzoom, 1 point Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 20, 2009 DING DING DING !!! WILD CARD PHOTO ! The first to correctly identify the aircraft shown, the year it was built, and why it was ultimately not put into full production for war service will be awarded 2 bonus points. You must be spot on with all answers to win. Good Luck! . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 20, 2009 (edited) Nieuport Monoplane, around October 1917. Strictly speaking the photo illustrates the second prototype Nieuport monoplane fighter which was under development when the first prototype was flown sometime end 1917 or early 1918. The first protoype was powered by a 150hp Gnome Monosoupape 9N rotary and the machine in the photo powered by a 180hp Le Rhone 9R. However, as of May 1918 the Monosupape powered protoype was still under test and the Le Rhone protoype was abandoned. In the end the prototype was not accepted, but formed the first Nieuport application of the configuration later greatly refined as the Nieuport 31. I think it within the rules to edit this as no one has posted after me. My original source 'The Complete Book of Fighters' refers to it as a 'Nieuport Monoplane' and gives the information above. However, elsewhere it seems to be referred to as the 'Nieuport-Delage Madon' or 'Nieuport Madon' so for completeness I'm adding this paragraph. Another photo of it here: Edited September 20, 2009 by Dej Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red-Dog 3 Posted September 20, 2009 Hi chaps i think it's a Nieuport-Delage Madon. It did not have any design flaws which eliminated these aircraft as a next generation of French fighters except one – a rotary engine. These types of engines had reached an end of its development in 1918 and become – one can say – outmoded. French authorities preferred modern generation of biplane designs fitted with more powerful inline engines like Ni-29. Besides, I suspect that classic contemporary biplane had comparable or slightly better performance but was more agile than the monoplane. There were two prototypes built. Wingspan 9.40mLength:6.40m Wing area:17.50m²Crew 1 Empty weight:433 kgTotal weight:703 kgEngine:1 Gmome 9N 180 hp Maximum speed:220 km / h Armament:2 Vickers machine guns synchronized to 7.7 mm, 1 box shot in the axis of the helix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 20, 2009 Dej, you are oh so correct Sir. And so are you Red-Dog, but Dej was first so the two points are his this go-round. Well done! Current contest standings after this Wild Card photo are as follows: Olham, 24 points Dej, 21 points Red-Dog, 18 points Rickitycrate, 16 points Bullethead, 5 points Duce Lewis, 5 points Luftace, 5 points Burning Beard, 4 points Check Six, 2 points rhythalion, 2 points JohnGresham, 1 point Shrikehawk, 1 point TonyO, 1 point zoomzoom, 1 point Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 21, 2009 DING DING DING !!! WILD CARD PHOTO ! The first to correctly identify the aircraft shown, its unusual features, and the company that built the production units of this variant will be awarded 2 bonus points. You must be spot on with all answers to win. Good Luck! . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Ding, Ding, Ding. The photo shows the Beardmore Shipboard Fighter type W.B. III. 80 h.p. Le Rhone. This aircraft was based on the Sopwith Pup airframe but extensively modified for shipboard accomadation. Although embarked on a number of Royal Navy vessels it was not a particularly successful type. With folding wings and retractable landing gear shown in storage mode. Built by the Wm. Beardmore & Co., Dalmurnr. Glasgow, Scotland Also of note: the struts were four long struts 2 on either side of the fuselage instead of 4 short center section struts.. The main planes are unstaggered and hinged at the main rear spar close to the fuselage. The armament consists of a Lewis gun fitted on a special mounting in front of the pilots cockpit to allow to fire through an opening in the center section. Source: Janes Edited September 21, 2009 by Rickitycrate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 21, 2009 And there you have it Rickitycrate. The Beardmore W.B.III, or to use the official military designation for this particular model with the folding undercarriage, the S.B.3F. Later versions had jettisonable undercarriages and flotation equipment and were tagged the S.B.3D. Also, the WB.III could be fitted with either the seven-cylinder Clerget or nine cylinder Le Rhone 9C rotary, both of 80hp. Two more points to you Sir. ******** Here are the contest standings after the latest Wild Card photo: Olham, 24 points Dej, 21 points Red-Dog, 18 points Rickitycrate, 18 points Bullethead, 5 points Duce Lewis, 5 points Luftace, 5 points Burning Beard, 4 points Check Six, 2 points rhythalion, 2 points JohnGresham, 1 point Shrikehawk, 1 point TonyO, 1 point zoomzoom, 1 point Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dej 17 Posted September 21, 2009 Well done, RC. I was a 45 minute car journey from posting the exact same answer. Dashed through the door straight to my PC and you'd nailed it already. Now I'm going to have to lug 'The Complete Book of Fighters' into work as well as an over-stuffed laptop case and general hapsy-flapsy bag... not that I'm taking this competition seriously, mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
