+Gepard Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 The behaviour of the german politicians is unbelievable. First they sent our soldiers into the war in Afghanistan. Then they say that there is no war, call it a stabilisation task or something .... . And if german soldiers come in dangererous situations and shooting back the politicians give the soldiers in the hand of the german justice. It is now 8 month ago that a german soldier opend the fire on a car that came with high speed to the checkpoint and wont stop. Unfortunatly he killed 3 civilists. With the next plane he was sent home. And when he arrived in Germany he came in front of a court of law and was accused to be a murder. Now, 8 month later it is declared that he has done correct on the Checkpoint. It is no wonder that a lot of german soldiers deny to shoot on the Taliban. In the time of Frederic the Great it was that "A german soldier fears his officer more that the enemy" today you must say "The german soldier fears the lawyers more than the enemy". It is not astonishing, that the german officer who odered the air strike on the taliban captured fuel trucks is now also faced with a german court of law. What a shame! Quote
Jarhead1 Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 Yeah man, the Rules of Engagement are a joke in Iraq and Afghanistan. Quote
JediMaster Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 Yes, and it seems the German ROE take the cake. "Defend yourself, kill the enemy, if something goes wrong, even if it's not your fault, you will be tried in a civilian court!!!" Quote
Lt. James Cater Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 Gepard, welcome to the Kafkaesque ROE situation that has bedeviled the US military since the Korean war. Quote
Stick Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 Inter arma enim silent leges Is it a court martial, or a proceeding under normal criminal law(Strafgesetzbuch)? If its a court martial, well any soldier would be hauled up for an enquiry- in a civilized nations armed forces that is. Sure there are nations where a soldier is not accountable for human life e.g Somalia, North Korea, et cetera; if we didn't have such measures in place how would we be any different than those nations we criticize? While its the politicians who are the real monsters-I agree with you whole-heartedly on that count (theres no finer example than India for that matter) their victims are always the hapless ones; the fodder-society must prey on itself at some point, despite all the grand ideals and other such figments of the imaginations. We are all guilty-either for looking the other way, or for participating in the evil. Then to balance it out, verily to assauge our need to be just; to retain that last shred of humanity; we take shelter in the system. Thats where I like to pull away, roll a j and watch the aeroplanes fly. Quote
Derk Posted September 9, 2009 Posted September 9, 2009 We had the same s**t in Iraq....... Took a year to get the Marine cleared ( accused of murder because of a possibility of a ricochet that killed a looter) and after that the then they tried to get him sentenced again !!!. In the end everthing was ok but his career took a beating and it took one of our best laywers (an ex Marine too) to get him out of trouble. The law can be a rough and ignorant lot, not caring at all about the damage they inflict before judgment. Same happened with one of my clients . There never was a process let alone a judgment, but the damage amounted up to E 15.000.000,= . The guy lives in Thailand now, his bussiness in real estate completely ruined..... Hou doe, Derk Quote
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