z-rotation problem using MS Force Feeback 2

[rjw 48]

I am running Vista 32 using Combat Flight Simulator 3 with "Over Flanders Fields" applied.

The problem I'm experiencing is that when I apply z-rotation to the stick, I only get a short interval of rudder no matter how long I hold the twist position. The result is that the aircraft makes only a minor shift left or right of center flight path and ceases to continue the flat turn.

 

I have this problem with combat flight sim in native mode and also with "OFF". I don't have any other flight sims to run at this time.

 

Does anyone know how to remedy this?

 

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

[Parky 8]

I am running Vista 32 using Combat Flight Simulator 3 with "Over Flanders Fields" applied.

The problem I'm experiencing is that when I apply z-rotation to the stick, I only get a short interval of rudder no matter how long I hold the twist position. The result is that the aircraft makes only a minor shift left or right of center flight path and ceases to continue the flat turn.

 

I have this problem with combat flight sim in native mode and also with "OFF". I don't have any other flight sims to run at this time.

 

Does anyone know how to remedy this?

 

Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

 

If you haven't already done so, try installing the MS Sidewinder software. I'm using it with Win XP 32 and haven't experienced the problem you're referring to.

 

 

Cheers,

 

 

Parky

[rjw 48]

If you haven't already done so, try installing the MS Sidewinder software. I'm using it with Win XP 32 and haven't experienced the problem you're referring to.

 

Cheers,

 

Parky

 

Thanks for your response. I was using MS Sidwinder software on my XP Pro platform but when I installed Vista 32 it was identified not compatible so I had to use the Vista built in software. I was hopeing that someonw familiar with the VISTA 32 platform had an idea of the problem. Thanks again for your input, it was appreciated.

[Parky 8]

You could try installing the Sidewinder software in XP compatibility mode. Worth a shot maybe. If that works, you should be able to get into the Sidewinder calibration interface and see what's going on there.

Edited September 24, 2009 by Parky

[Parky 8]

I see an easier fix somewhere. I know at least 2 people who are running OFF in Vista with the FFB2 without any rudder-specific issues at all. Not sure whether they had to resort to installing the SW software or not....was a good starting point for troubleshooting though. Maybe he needs a bigger power supply, more graphics memory or he has his sliders set too high, huh Al?? Just for the record, I've run OFF successfuly with the same stick in Win7 RC with and without the SW software installed. Very similar to Vista.

 

Although spending 200 dollars on a decent set of rudder pedals is possibly an option (and certainly a worthwhile flightsim enhancement investment), I don't think that's quite what he had in mind when he asked for help. That's just my stupid way of interpreting his post though.

Edited September 25, 2009 by Parky

[sitting_duck 3]

not sure if this is going to help you...

 

when you open up the controls section in bhah,,,,there are two tabs on the left,,,( i have NEVER seen these,,,guess they blend in with the background too much)....

 

the upper tab is assignments,,,this is the default view,,the lower tab is sensitivity,,,and you can edit how your axis respond to movement,,and you can edit your null zones...

 

could be the null zone for your z axis is set to high,,,(ie,,,allows too much movement before it kicks in)

 

in addition, you might want to look at the last post in this thread...http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?p=249818

 

Edited September 26, 2009 by sitting_duck

[rjw 48]

Thanks to all those folks who provided their comments/suggestions to my problem.

 

I have tried ajusting the controls in phah as "sitting duck" suggested but this seemed to have no or little effect. I still only get about three degrees of movement left or right from my rudder before the flat turn just stops and I resume straight ahead flight. It's not an "auto trim" issue as I have this turned off.

 

Not sure I want to invest in rudders in case this problem persists through new hardware choices.

 

In theory, if my rudder is turned full left or right and my aircraft ceases to continue the flat turn beyond the initial 3 degrees there is a problem.

I have tried keyboard commands for rudder and I get the same effect.

 

I hope this clarify's my problem and that someone in the forum more clearly understands my issue.

 

I look forward to any further suggestions that I may pursue

 

Regards

[sitting_duck 3]

that sounds to me like its treating your z axis as a button or key..., and not an axis.

 

so, if you are in chase view,,,watching your plane from your six, and twist to the left and hold,,,you probably see your rudder move a bit,,then go back to center..

 

dont have vista, but im sure somewhere in whatever vista has for a control panel,,,there is a game controllers icon, and hopefully there will be a test, or calibrate tab somewhere. Or, if you look at the screen shot i put up for the sensitivy and null zones,,there is a calibare button. This takes you to the same place as control panel does.

 

usually there is a gui for your axis, so you can see the little "meter" go up and down as you move the axis back and forth. If you find all this, and the movement on the axis repsonds thru the whole range of motion on the gui, at least you know its not the controller...

 

as far as what you said about the sensitivy and null zone adjustments,,,(ie,,no or little change) if you make radical adjust ments for that axis (ie,,both to the far left), play the game and see how it responds,,and then make radical adjustments the other way (both to the far right), and you see no change in how that throttle responds,,,it would indicate to me you dont have that axis bound to the z axis in the game,,(if that made sense)

 

and,,,just to be sure,,,when you make your settings in the bhah contols section,,your have to save as "mine",,,,but by default,,i would think it would pick up the rudder twist by default just fine.

Edited September 28, 2009 by sitting_duck

[rjw 48]

To "Sitting Duck" and "uncleal"

 

Thanks for your response. I did try "float view" and watched my rudder move full left and right but the resulting aircraft movement to left or right was minimal and that I had to apply alerons in order to prevent my aircraft from banking. I find this confusing, why should my aircraft bank when I'm only applying rudder?

 

I'm thinking it's time to dump this joystick or get the pedals. I like the joystick so I'm inclined to go the pedal direction. Any suggestions as to best pedal choices would be appreciated keeping in mind I'm on Vista 32 Ultimate.

 

"uncleal" indicated he is using the saitek cyclone EVO. what can u tell me about the pro's and cons of this joystick versus the MSFFB 2?

 

Thanks guys, you have been very helpful to date.

 

[Vapour 0]

Not sure what your joystick/HOTAS set up is, but I was having the same problem. I have a MSFFB2 as well as an X52 pro throttle and Saitek rudder pedals. When I applied rudder on the pedals it would turn then re center after a second, I wondered was it conflicting with any other controller, I went into the controls page and deleted everything on the rudder axis on the rest of the controllers. It has worked a treat since.