mig-23 Questions

[+lindr2]

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so interesting... UB-32 on fuselage... earlyer i read about ub-16 only in this position cause engine pumpage problem...

 

but thanks Guys... do you seen any MF with internal Delta-NM pod (in Right wing, like Mig-23BN) or MF used Delta-2NG pod on right fuselage pylon like ML family?

 

i now it was removed due aerodynamical reasons...

 

and early soviet ML had 2 rear fuselage pylons, removed later, know some export version with this?

Edited November 5, 2009 by lindr2

[+The Trooper]

so interesting... UB-32 on fuselage... earlyer i read about ub-16 only in this position cause engine pumpage problem...

 

It should be ok unless fired in a big salvo. But I don't thnk it is possible to fit 2xUB-32 and a centerline fuel tank at the same time. There is just not enough space.

 

I've never seen a MF with built in Delta, only BN and UBs.

 

and early soviet ML had 2 rear fuselage pylons, removed later

 

Are these the same pylons as used on BN? Because the BN fuselage was additionaly strenghtened to support these. Maybe this is the reason why they were removed...

[+lindr2]

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at final question about kh-23 & MiG-23MF: Somebody can give me a photo an MiG-23MF whit Kh-23?

 

i have mig-23M photo's with internal delta pod & kh-23's, i have ML family photo's with Kh-23's & Delta-2NG on r fusellage pylon, but newer seen MF & kh-23, i's important point, i removed APU-68 rail from indian MF, i shold remove i's for MF version , which not supported Kh-23.

Edited November 8, 2009 by lindr2

[+ghostrider883]

at final question about kh-23 & MiG-23MF: Somebody can give me a photo an MiG-23MF whit Kh-23?

 

i have mig-23M photo's with internal delta pod & kh-23's, i have ML family photo's with Kh-23's & Delta-2NG on r fusellage pylon, but newer seen MF & kh-23, i's important point, i removed APU-68 rail from indian MF, i shold remove i's for MF version , which not supported Kh-23.

 

 

may i suggest this skin for your Indian MiG-23MF Rakshak??

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=3043

 

No. 224 Sqdn "Warlords"

 

An IAF grey skin to represent the Rakshak during its end days would be good too.

[+Gepard]

The KH-23 was not used in the east german MiG-23 fighter units. Also the MiG-23BN fighter bombers used it very seldom. It was an unreliable missile with a very poor hit rate. I remember that one pilot said, that you must train the firing of the KH-23 some 100 times before you can really hit something.

[+lindr2]

The KH-23 was not used in the east german MiG-23 fighter units. Also the MiG-23BN fighter bombers used it very seldom. It was an unreliable missile with a very poor hit rate. I remember that one pilot said, that you must train the firing of the KH-23 some 100 times before you can really hit something.

 

thanks... it maens no kh-23 for ddr mf also ok... i know that use kh-23 not easy thing, pilot must remember possible alt/distanse ranges & gimble limit -16/+18 deg on horizontal +6/-13 on vertical direction

 

 

possible kh-23 launch graph.

Edited November 9, 2009 by lindr2

[+lindr2]

Found MIG-23MLAE Libya!

 

 

it's 32-19 plane i sure... BVP-50-60 or VP-23 also can be, i remember some some iraqi MLAEE pics with this

[+Crusader]

AFAIK the Iraqi ML's were fitted with ASO-2V dispensers taken from their Su-22's .... and they used the French Remora ECM pod on the Floggers...

 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=193136&view=findpost&p=1812105

 

ASO-2 on Iraqi MiG-25 ... cant find the pics of them on the Floggers...

[+lindr2]

AFAIK the Iraqi ML's were fitted with ASO-2V dispensers taken from their Su-22's .... and they used the French Remora ECM pod on the Floggers...

 

 

i read about this..

 

http://s188567700.online.de/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=47

 

 

not sure that is 'all true' only one r-24 & no r-60 -> very useless configuration.

 

and... 90% planes named ML is MLA in RL

 

S/N

 

0390308260 - first known ML S/N in database

 

0390310383 - Last ML (32-12) in batch production 1977-78

 

0390310388 - first MLA (32-12A) in batch production 1978-81

 

0390310389 - first MLA updated to MLD in 1982-85

 

0390324849 - last Soviet MLA (between 1981-1983, probably this batch builded for export, but not exported, soviet MLA,P,ML batch prodution ended in 1981 )

 

0390322402 - probably first exported MLA (CzSSR) 1981

 

0390324860 - probably last exported MLA (CzSSR)

 

2960324865 - 2960324875 MLA special serie for Bulgaria version between 32-12A & 32-22 1983

 

2960325385 - first MLAE-2 1984

 

2960326118, 2960326461, 2960327202 MLAE (Libya)

 

2960327219 - last MLAE-2 1985 End of ML family prodution & MiG-23 production

Edited November 28, 2009 by lindr2

[+76.IAP-Blackbird]

you have PM

[+lindr2]

 

i have this pics, but have so many problems with it. maybe someone can he me.

 

1) we know, what captured MiG-23 number is 2786 (maybe it was mistake ababic '6' very simular with '1' on far distance)

 

2) a know about two MLD export versions 32-22 {MLAE-2}, 32-19 {MLAE} , never hear about 32-22B, i think it's 32-19 plane

 

3) strange CM dispensers... it's not bvp-50-60 or aso-2 or vp-23... look on bottom picture

 

4) 0390324522 so small

 

i know 0390324255, 0390324617 - DDR MLA batch, Syria got more modern planes that WP?

 

i need hi-res photo nose this plane "блоки Н003Э" can be placed here i can determinate plane type on this.

 

like this...

 

Edited December 27, 2009 by lindr2

[Erwin_Hans]

i have this pics, but have so many problems with it. maybe someone can he me.

 

1) we know, what captured MiG-23 number is 2786 (maybe it was mistake ababic '6' very simular with '1' on far distance)

 

2) a know about two MLD export versions 32-22 {MLAE-2}, 32-19 {MLAE} , never hear about 32-22B, i think it's 32-19 plane

 

3) strange CM dispensers... it's not bvp-50-60 or aso-2 or vp-23... look on bottom picture

 

4) 0390324522 so small

 

i know 0390324255, 0390324617 - DDR MLA batch, Syria got more modern planes that WP?

 

i need hi-res photo nose this plane "блоки Н003Э" can be placed here i can determinate plane type on this.

 

like this...

 

 

I found two pics....that shows:

 

1,Number is 2786 not 2781

 

2,And CM dispensers is indeed really different.

 

 

[+Crusader]

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3) strange CM dispensers... it's not bvp-50-60 or aso-2 or vp-23... look on bottom picture

 

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I discussed this some time ago on another forum.

I spent quite some time checking pictures and drawings of similar installations on different aircraft.

My conclusion is:

The CM dispensers are made of several ( 4 each side, iirc) 6-tube KDS-23 dispensers mounted together.

Its a "special" Syrian modification, not seen on any other Floggers.

[+lindr2]

I discussed this some time ago on another forum.

I spent quite some time checking pictures and drawings of similar installations on different aircraft.

My conclusion is:

The CM dispensers are made of several ( 4 each side, iirc) 6-tube KDS-23 dispensers mounted together.

Its a "special" Syrian modification, not seen on any other Floggers.

 

thanks! i think, but not sure at 100% that this plane use N003 radar, do you have hi-res nose photo? {'Блоки Н003' caption}

 

Happy new year!

 

sf-2 weapons mini-mod... (10-15% of mig-21/23/27 weapons mod for sf2)

 

http://rapidshare.com/files/328458220/SF-2_Weapons.rar

 

http://rapidshare.de/files/48922616/SF-2_Weapons.rar.html

Edited December 31, 2009 by lindr2

[+76.IAP-Blackbird]

Hi lindr2, andy news on your projects?!

 

by the way happy new year!!!!

[+lindr2]

Hi lindr2, andy news on your projects?!

 

by the way happy new year!!!!

 

MiG-23MLAE LARAF

 

 

MiG-23MLAE Algeria

 

[+lindr2]

another one MiG-23MLAE Syria with specific CM

 

 

MiG-27ML UPG {not sure about weapons}

 

 

[PGC]

MiG-27ML UPG {not sure about weapons}

hum... The bomb loofs like french "BGL" (made by MATRA)

 

 

more info here

[+lindr2]

i read in some sources, that IAF mig-27ML used BGL-400 but not sure at 100% that's true.

 

second question is ECM, you can see, what SPS-141(142,143) is removed (2 blisters on nose)...

 

need info about new ECM and were it placed,

 

 

third question: is 'Pion'{ILS} nose 'Pion' antenna is removed, but another has been placed on tail. Whether it also has been replaced ?

Edited January 18, 2010 by lindr2

[PGC]

India bought some BGL for the M2KH for sure.

 

 

May be the BGL have been used with other IAF plane, but it's an expensive weapon compare with Israeli or Russian bombs...

[+lindr2]

 

May be the BGL have been used with other IAF plane, but it's an expensive weapon compare with Israeli or Russian bombs...

 

on flight tests or at operational?

 

like for THIS weapon [Precision weapon required precision targeting system]

 

Edited January 18, 2010 by lindr2

[+ghostrider883]

 

MiG-27ML UPG {not sure about weapons}

 

 

 

lindr2,

Its great that you are making MiG-27M UPG . These upgrades 27Ms have TU-XXX series serial numbers(instead of TS-XXX).

Also, have you deleted the port(left) side nose probe? I have a picture of upgraded MiG-27Ms, and both the nose probes exist in it. I will scan it for you.

[+lindr2]

lindr2,

Its great that you are making MiG-27M UPG . These upgrades 27Ms have TU-XXX series serial numbers(instead of TS-XXX).

Also, have you deleted the port(left) side nose probe? I have a picture of upgraded MiG-27Ms, and both the nose probes exist in it. I will scan it for you.

 

left 'nose probe' is 'Pion' ILS it removed on my darawing (see top), about S/N & decals, can You make this? You know it more better, than me... thank you for help..

[+ghostrider883]

left 'nose probe' is 'Pion' ILS it removed on my darawing (see top), about S/N & decals, can You make this? You know it more better, than me... thank you for help..

 

I will make the serials for you. Yes, it is not there in your drawing, but trust me its there on the real a/c. I think the new antenna behind the ckpt is also absent. Also upgrade of all Indian MiG-27s are complete, I think now they are planning to carry our upgrade of Indian MiG-29s.

[+Crusader]

another one MiG-23MLAE Syria with specific CM

 

 

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photos of the actual thing

have no good pic which shows radar type