VEAO Eurofighter

[SilverDragon 99]

Small update of the VEAO Eurofighter develop

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143832

In case you missed this in the other thread...

 

Anyway, with Typhoon as you can imagine we had to do a lot of research and discussions on what we could include in the public version compared to the military version. 

We now have a very firm outline of what that is. 

That is currently being produced into a sort of schematic project plan. 

At the same time we are exploring what DCS can and can't do with regards to systems and what our team has knowledge with and what other teams have knowledge with and if we're not sure we'll reach out to our friends in other development teams for pointers and help. 

We're also looking at what technology is already available; TAD, TGP, Etc. from the A-10C and what we can use changing some symbology. 

 

Following our last trip to Conningsby we decided to completely re-model the external and internal cockpit models. The old model was one we developed for a project for the RAF back in 2009 and was not up to current DCS levels. 

Once I receive the cockpit model I will implement the switch test system, as I did with Hawk which sets the foundation for the advanced system model (ASM).

This helps and aids the programmers in checking code for functions and in something like Typhoon is essential. 

Hawk has over 170 switches, buttons and dials. Typhoon has many more with multiple functions in each MHDD push button for example. 

So the foundation needs to be right the first time. 

The base flight model (EFM) has already started to be worked on and will be tweaked once we have the model. 

Animations of external and internal flight model will start when the model is complete. 

 

One feature of the MHDD's is they change automatically based in a set of parameters; aircraft start up, taxi, take off, combat, Etc..

Again we are researching how best to implement that in DCS. 

 

All new areas not done before in DCS...

 

So, when will it be out. To be honest when it's ready...my aim is by end of this year but we'll see when we start getting into systems code and the hundreds of pages for the MHDD's.

 

This is currently our biggest project, in line with the NH-90 for systems functionality and we can share a lot between the two aircraft. 

 

We are also looking to see if we can create a base template for all-glass cockpit systems; unlikely but if we can it will save time in future military and public projects. 

 

Hope that's enough of an update for you 

 

Thanks,

Chris

 

 

[SkyStrike 15]

I don't know..... All the proposed releases of 4th, 4.5th and 5th Generation fighter modules for DCS seem to end up as vaporware.... 

Don't mean to be rude but IRIS' F-14, F-15E & F-22, Kinney interactive's F-35, ended up that way...Don't know what happened to Razbam's F-15E & Mirage 2K... 

 

As far as I'm concerned...I'm not keeping my hopes up too high...

Edited June 2, 2015 by SkyStrike

[JediMaster 451]

On the day I can DL them for DCS World I will worry about whether to be interested. Until then, it's just some nice screenshots of 3D models with some good detail and a bunch of words.

 

I will not allow myself to invest any more than that, not a good idea.

[Tirak 4]

The F-35 never got past kickstarter. RAZBAM's Mirage is progressing rather nicely, they had a brief hiatus to deal with a death in the family, but are back to working on it.

 

Right now only VEAO's Eurofighter, RAZBAM's  Mirage and Leatherneck's F-14A/B are 4th generation fighters and in production.

 

VEAO hasn't even released a full flight model for its Hawk, and now says they're scrapping another Typhoon model, so yeah, this gets released in 2015 only in their dreams, though I feel fairly confident about its release eventually because it's a contract with the RAF.

 

RAZBAM's Mirage looks pretty good, 2015 release seems possible, but they haven't shown off much about the radar systems, so could be a few more months.

 

Leatherneck is the only DCS group that isn't Belsimtek to release an actual fighter, and their MiG-21Bis is the most advanced DCS level fighter currently on offer, so I feel pretty confident they'll come through on their Tomcats, though I don' think this year is likely, and to their credit, they haven't given an ETA on it, just that one of their 3 modules will drop this year.

[SilverDragon 99]

IRIS no get any news, I think all your product line has been depleted. I not sure, but I think he has lost your 3rd Party status (in 2014 May, They put a news over continue "develop" on DCS: W on your old forum, but at present date, no more news has show or answer to info request), Kinney disapear as 3rd party at no found the F-35 KickStarter), meanwhile RAZBAM Mirage 2000 continue on good order (no news about F-15E, I think was canceled some time ago and only center your product line on M2K and T-2 Buckeye).

 

You can check the last pics of the M2KC here:

http://combatace.com/topic/81698-razbam-mirage-2000c/

Edited June 2, 2015 by SilverDragon

[+ST0RM 145]

"Following our last trip to Conningsby we decided to completely re-model the external and internal cockpit models. The old model was one we developed for a project for the RAF back in 2009 and was not up to current DCS levels."

 

This seems to be the common theme. Projects scrapped and started from scratch due to changes within the constantly changing DCS 2.0 module. So much time lost as well as interest.

 

I agree with JM. I wont invest anymore of my money on sales or whatever until something more concrete is released.

[+Dave 2,322]

JM and ST0RM have it right. I'll believe it when I see it. 

[+SkateZilla 49]

F-15Es were likely put on hold due to no A2G support in the 1.x engine.

 

I assume IRiS is on hiatus, havent heard diddly from them since their T-38 announcement

[JediMaster 451]

When it comes to companies releasing vaporware, I'm happy to be proven wrong. I would love a Eurofighter, haven't flown one in earnest since EF2000 (never played TAW and only used it occasionally in others), so if they get this out and it's a decent effort I'll say "I was wrong, here's my money" and get it.

 

 

 

I just don't think that moment is in the future, near or otherwise, right now.

[SkyStrike 15]

When it comes to companies releasing vaporware, I'm happy to be proven wrong. I would love a Eurofighter, haven't flown one in earnest since EF2000 (never played TAW and only used it occasionally in others), so if they get this out and it's a decent effort I'll say "I was wrong, here's my money" and get it.

 

I just don't think that moment is in the future, near or otherwise, right now.

 

Yeah.. I'll second that...

 

I assume IRiS is on hiatus, 

 Hiatus can be defined as a 'temporary gap' but the length of the gap can be called to question.....

[SilverDragon 99]

Q&A VEAO Eurofigter, VEAO working on the Trench Blk 5 aircraft with the RAF on a military / professional version, the entertainment version coming after them with discounts, no release date.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2424289&postcount=1

Hello everybody, 

I thought it would be a good idea to launch a FAQ thread on the VEAO Typhoon module that is currently WIP. The purpose of this FAQ is to answer the most basic and interesting questions that newcomers will likely have about this project.

 

I want to stress that I’m not a member of the VEAO team, but I have consulted the team to obtain their support/approval for this FAQ thread and to proof read it advance.

 

The questions represent a collection of those repeatedly raised in the threads of this forum channel. I have derived some additional questions from them. The responses are based on statements made by the VEAO team, with myself providing some complementary comments and information where appropriate and feasible.

 

This FAQ might be updated over time as new questions emerge.

 

My thanks goes to Pman for the kind support and approval of this FAQ 

 

Kind regards

Spectre

 

Q: When is the VEAO Typhoon module going to be released?

 

A: There is no fix release date set. The VEAO team aims at completing the Typhoon module until the end of 2015. This date is a team internal target based on current estimates. It is not a promise and potentially subject to change. A more accurate and reliable forecast can only be made once the project has passed a certain maturity gate. Stay tuned for further updates in the future.

 

Q: To what quality standards will the VEAO Typhoon adhere to in terms of flight and systems modeling?

 

A: The VEAO Typhoon will feature an External Flight Model (EFM), which is comparable to ED’s Professional Flight Model (PFM), as well as Advanced Systems Modeling (ASM).

 

Q: How realistic will the VEAO Typhoon be in comparison to the real aircraft?

 

A: The VEAO team intends to create an authentic representation of the real aircraft within the given constraints.

 

Q: The Eurofighter Typhoon is a relative recent, advanced combat aircraft, aren’t most of its features/capabilities classified?

 

A: Not everything about this aircraft is classified, but of course there are several classified aspects. That’s actually true for all military aircraft in active service and even for many former types that aren’t operational anymore.

 

Q: Given the above, how is VEAO going to create an authentic replication of the real aircraft?

 

A: VEAO has contacts within the UK military and is in the process of developing a military version of the Typhoon module. The team subsequently has the access to the information and data needed to create an authentic model of the aircraft. The public version that will be released as a certified 3rd party add-on module for DCS World will be based on this military version. However, it will be a deducted/-de-classified version of it.

 

Q: What does deducted/de-classified mean and what implications does it have on the public version of the Typhoon module for DCS World?

 

A: Deduction means that certain classified features won’t be implemented on the public version. It also means that some features might be simulated in a simplified fashion or that they are approximated. Certain data might be tweaked. 

 

 

Q: What does the above mean to the end user?

 

A: It will probably mean nothing to the end user. Unless you are a professional involved with the real Eurofighter program from the military or industry side you won’t notice what is missing or not 1:1 implemented in comparison to the real aircraft.

 

Q: Can VEAO confirm which features will be missing and which are authentic, simplified or approximated?

 

A: No, VEAO can’t confirm any of the above as it has a Non Disclosure Agreement (NDA) in place.

 

Q: What does NDA mean, why is it necessary and what advantages/disadvantages are entailed to it?

 

A: The NDA enables VEAO to develop both, the military and public versions of the Typhoon. It is as such a pre-condition and without the NDA it wouldn’t be possible. 

In addition to the above the advantage is that a more realistic replication of the real aircraft is possible, even if you don’t know what is authentic and what might not be authentic.

 

Q: Based on what is said above, how can we be sure we aren’t fooled with a fantasy version of the aircraft? 

 

A: You can’t, but you can judge the module on its merits, match it against what’s publicly known and maybe someone with actual insight may leave a hint about how authentic it is or not. The same can be said for any military aircraft that is being modeled for a public flight simulator like DCS World, that’s the compromise all sides have to respect.

 

Q: What version of the aircraft will be simulated by the VEAO Typhoon module?

 

A: At release the VEAO Typhoon module will simulate the single seat variant of the aircraft at a standard equivalent to Block 5 as is in service with the British Royal Air Force.

 

Q: What is a Block 5 Typhoon?

 

A: As with many other military aircraft production of the Typhoon is split into multiple tranches, batches and blocks. Blocks herein represent the smallest production breakdown and can be described as capability baselines. Block 5 represents the last block of the Tranche 1 order. Block 5 is the final operating capability (FOC) standard. That means Block 5 Typhoons provide the level of capability and functionality laid out in the weapon system performance specification of this aircraft as stipulated in the development contract.

 

Q: What systems and capabilities does a Block 5 have?

 

A: Block 5 Typhoons are mainly optimized for air-to-air missions, with some basic air-to-ground capabilities. These aircraft feature the Captor-C radar utilizing a mechanically scanned planar array, the PIRATE infrared sensor, the Defensive Aids Sub-System, the HEA helmet mounted symbology system, the Multifunction Information Distribution System, Direct Voice Input etc.

 

Q: Will the VEAO Typhoon simulate all of the above systems?

 

A: The VEAO Typhoon will simulate most of these systems to varying degrees dependent the level of classification and limitations imposed by the DCS World engine. Some like DVI cannot be guaranteed at this point, but the VEAO team is looking at this. Some features might be subject to future updates of this module.

 

Q: What about weapons, which weapons will be available for the VEAO Typhoon? 

 

A: The exact weapons fit has not been set in stone, but bear in mind that VEAO will only simulate weapons that are integrated on real Typhoon Block 5 aircraft in service with the RAF.

 

From public sources you can gather that weapons cleared for real Block 5 aircraft comprise the AIM-9L Sidewinder, ASRAAM and IRIS-T infrared guided short range air-to-air missiles (SRAAM), the A, B & C5 variants of the AIM-120 AMRAAM active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile (MRAAM), the internally housed Mauser Bk27 gun, 1000 lb class free fall bombs, UK Paveway II and GBU-16 1000 lb class laser guided bombs (LGBs), GBU-10 2000 lb class LGBs and Enhanced Paveway II dual-mode bombs with laser/GPS-guidance. In addition the aircraft is cleared for carriage of up to three 1000 l supersonic fuel tanks and the Rafael Litening 3 laser designator pod (LDP).

 

As mentioned before the VEAO Typhoon will simulate the aircraft as is in service with the RAF. That means weapons like the IRIS-T, GBU-10 or GBU-16 won’t be integrated. It can be confirmed that the EPW II won’t be integrated at this point either, but the team is looking at the possibility to implement the Paveway II and LDP. As development of air-to-ground capabilities hasn’t begun on behalf of the VEAO team time will show whether its implementation can be harmonized with the time scales envisaged. If not you’ll have to cope with an air-to-air only capable version of this aircraft. However, that doesn’t rule out the possibility of future additions.

 

Q: What about other weapons and system capabilities such as Meteor, Storm Shadow, the Captor-E AESA radar, thrust vectoring controls or conformal fuel tanks?

 

A: All of the above and others are capabilities not available on Block 5 Typhoons, most of them are not even integrated yet and subject to future upgrades, mainly for Tranche 2 & 3 aircraft, whereas Block 5 is Tranche 1.

 

Q: Will we see more advanced versions of the Typhoon from VEAO in the future?

 

A: The VEAO team keeps its options open, but there is no firm commitment to develop more advanced versions. The development of such versions would be dependent on a number of factors that cannot be entirely predicted at this point in time.

 

[SilverDragon 99]

Eurofigter Trench I Block 5 external model by VEAO