Rambler 1-1

"If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is 'poontang'."

well, I just attacked Hanoi in a thid via thud ridge, and I have to say that Gepard did a very nice job with Vietnam.

hey, I didn't even know that there was a freeware Vietnam terrain! To the downloads section, awayyyy!

YES! WE HAVE A WINNER! the weapondata.dat was just in the objects folder! every time I update it with the weapon editor, the .dat file got updated AND moved to the main objects folder! I just moved it back into "weapons" and it works fine now! Thanks to all of you guys who helped, especially Fubar and kct. I owe you one. now If you'll excuse me, I believe that I have some tomcatting to do.

that didn't work either. I'm thinking that maybe the game is just using the weapon editor that's in the Objectdata.cat rather then using the extracted one. The names are the same, so I don't see why it'd do that.

It is patched, but the editor is the one from the DL section here. Is there one on the TW site?

It seems it is not working. I tried re-naming a couple weapons via the editor, and they didn't show up in game either. Any ideas?

As a matter of fact, there is. It is very well put together, too. It's found on the Thirdwire website under "store". It will cost you $19.00, but it is well worth it, as there is a whole game included, called "Wings over Vietman" or something. Perhaps Santa will float you a twenty and you can be the proud owner of another excelent TW game.

NEW DEVELOPMENT! It turns out that the weapons that I thought I added were actually part of the stock game, so I have deduced that none of my added weapons are working. This means either the Weapon editor is not working or I screwed up putting stuff somewhere. I'll see what I can find out. Are we sure that the latest weapon editor in the DL section here is the one to use? And do I still run it in windows 98 compatability?

The USAF: Blowing sh!t up since 1947

the basic Mirage Factory F-14A, as found on Column5

so true, sooo true. It seems that the retailers see me coming and raise the prices. If only I had a more steady job... The person below me would shoot themself in the foot just so that they didn't have to go christmas shopping. I think that's what Plaxico Burress did.

for the thud, I just used the stock TW 450 and 650 gallon tanks as found in the objectdata, and that works fine. I might try to modify MiG tanks or some other tank so it fits the F-14.

Once, taking on a warehouse in the middle of the desert in a B-57B, I discovered that there were four ZU-23-4s all around it. That was an interesting run. I lost an engine, and elevator and an aleron, but got home safe. After a long flight, though.

Should the F-14 auto install/merge weapondata.inis method still work post-patch?

I always fly for the RCAF, unless it's a plane like the the F-14 or the SU-27, which has to be flown in it's native colours. However, If I get the chance I will fly a Russian or European or Israeli plane with USAF markings and loadout, mainly because I know what the american missiles' specs are, and I have no idea what the range and firing limits of a Shafir or an AA-2D or a Red Top are.

I considered a fresh install, but I just did that last month and I really don't have time for that now. And I am using the latest weapons editor, I made that mistake a month or so ago and corrected it. dr, I tried all the weapondata tricks I could think of, but to no avail. And when I open the loadout screen, it just shows that there are no weapons on the fuel pylons (no black dot; I've seen that before anyway), and when I go to the scroll-down list for those pylons, there are no tanks. THey're not in the inventory screen on the right side either. Only Sparrows and 'winders.

This is depressing. It seems that I can't add any fuel tanks. I tried to add the alternate F-4 tanks found in the downloads section here, but they didn't work either. I also tried to add AIM-120s, and they didn't show up, but I'm pretty sure that was because of my hasty .ini mod of the F-4J to see if they would show up. Anyway, the only thing I can think of is to wait untill I get a better computer and system. For now I will make due with tanks that come with the game. Thanks for the help anyway, guys.

I'll download a recently released plane that has tanks, perhaps the skyray, and maybe that will work. THanks for the help, though. And I can't wait to try out the new cat!

The only problem I can think of about a lifting body fighter is that it would be very difficult for it to hold Gs unless you were at a very high speed. Otherwise the thing would just pile on the AOA instead of actually turning on the lift vector.

Yeesh! where do you guys find this stuff?

Nope. Nothing. Niet. Nada. I tried everything you guys suggested. Fubar, I followed your instructions word for word and tried it three times, to no avail. Still no tanks. dr, I'm flying in 1976 but I'm not bothering with the phoenixes right now, I'm just trying to get tanks. I switched the F-14A data.ini so that the fuel pylons were USN only, but that didn't work either. It seems that the gremlins are working against me. This is even more strange because I managed to successfully add Maverics from the old bunyap pack, and they work fine. THen only things it does not work on are fuel tanks and the phoenixes.

Is there some sort of new procedure for adding tanks with the patch?

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CounterCountermeasure=25.000000 NoiseRejection=40.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x1000000b LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=14.000000 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=6.000000 BoosterAccel=16.250000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=240.000000 SustainerAccel=18.250000 SustainerEffectName=MissileFireEffect SustainerSoundName=Missile SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 [WeaponData117] TypeName=AIM-54C FullName=AIM-54C Phoenix ModelName=aim_54a Mass=462.000000 Diameter=0.381000 Length=4.010000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.120000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.222000 AttachmentType=USN SpecificStationCode= NationName=USN StartYear=1982 EndYear=2010 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=4 Exported=FALSE ExportStartYear=0 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=0 WeaponDataType=1 RailLaunched=FALSE RocketPod=FALSE Retarded=FALSE FinStabilized=TRUE SpinStabilized=FALSE HasGrowl=FALSE EffectClassName=LargeMissileEffects ReleaseDelay=1.000000 WarheadType=0 Explosives=60.000000 FusingDistance=3.000000 ClusterBomblets=0 ClusterDispersion=0.000000 GuidanceType=13 Accuracy=90 MaxTurnRate=15.000000 MaxLaunchG=3.000000 LockonChance=85 LaunchReliability=90 ArmingTime=2.000000 SeekerFOV=6.000000 SeekerGimbleLimit=40.000000 SeekerTrackRate=16.000000 SeekerRange=150000.000000 MinLaunchRange=3700.000000 MaxLaunchRange=150000.000000 Duration=300.000000 CounterCountermeasure=60.000000 NoiseRejection=60.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x1000000b LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=14.000000 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=6.000000 BoosterAccel=16.250000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=240.000000 SustainerAccel=18.250000 SustainerEffectName=MissileFireEffect SustainerSoundName=Missile SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 [WeaponData118] TypeName=TANK330_F14 FullName=267-gal Drop Tank ModelName=TANK330_F14 Mass=705.500000 Diameter=0.620000 Length=4.560000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.200000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.770000 AttachmentType= SpecificStationCode= NationName= StartYear=0 EndYear=0 Availability=0 BaseQuantity=0 Exported=FALSE ExportStartYear=0 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=0 WeaponDataType=5 MaxFuelAmount=968.900024 Asymmetrical=FALSE *************************************************************** F-14 Weapon stations: (phoeinex stations first, then the 2 fuel stations) [PhoenixStation1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=5 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-0.45,1.4,-0.6 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=AHM AttachmentType=USN ModelNodeName=suppphoenix01 PylonMass=55 PylonDragArea=0.02 [PhoenixStation2] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.45,1.4,-0.6 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=AHM AttachmentType=USN ModelNodeName=suppphoenix02 PylonMass=55 PylonDragArea=0.02 [PhoenixStation3] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-0.6,-3.5,-0.7 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 ModelNodeName=suppphoenix03 AllowedWeaponClass=AHM AttachmentType=USN MinExtentPosition= MaxExtentPosition= [PhoenixStation4] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=0.6,-3.5,-0.7 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 ModelNodeName=suppphoenix04 AllowedWeaponClass=AHM AttachmentType=USN MinExtentPosition= MaxExtentPosition= [FuelStation1] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=15 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.5,-1.80,-0.87 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.00 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=NATO,USN ModelNodeName= PylonMass= LaunchRailNodeName= MinExtentPosition= MaxExtentPosition= FuelTankName=Tank330_F14 [FuelStation2] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=16 StationGroupID=5 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.5,-1.80,-0.87 AttachmentAngles=0.0,2.0,0.0 LoadLimit=900.00 AllowedWeaponClass=FT AttachmentType=NATO,USN ModelNodeName= PylonMass= LaunchRailNodeName= MinExtentPosition= MaxExtentPosition= FuelTankName=Tank330_F14 ******************************************************************** loadout.ini [AirToAirLongRange] Loadout[05].WeaponType=AIM-54A Loadout[05].Quantity=1 Loadout[06].WeaponType=AIM-54A Loadout[06].Quantity=1 Loadout[09].WeaponType=AIM-9H Loadout[09].Quantity=1 Loadout[10].WeaponType=AIM-9H Loadout[10].Quantity=1 Loadout[13].WeaponType=AIM-7E-2 Loadout[13].Quantity=1 Loadout[14].WeaponType=AIM-7E-2 Loadout[14].Quantity=1 Loadout[15].WeaponType=Tank330_F14 Loadout[15].Quantity=1 Loadout[16].WeaponType=Tank330_F14 Loadout[16].Quantity=1 I tried changing it so that tank330_F14 was "TANK330_F14" all around, but that didn't change anything. Also, I am having the same problem with the tanks for the F-105D-31.

May I set the bar for strike planes? My 53148 feet in the F-105 here isn't exactly challanging the MiGs, but let's see you hit that in an A-10! PS: there's room for improvement in this class... I hit that starting with full fuel and a couple of 'winders, and no planned climb curve.