guyran

Looking forward with great anticipation for the upcoming SF2:Israel. The Suez crisis is historically insignificant in terms of air fights, compare to the other Arab-Israeli wars. It is redundant, as a stand alone release. I hope it will be merged into SF2:I, as an extra campaign. WWII (Europe and pacific) and the Korean War are also preferable, from my point of view.

NV aces like Colonel Tomb preferred the Mig-17 over the more advanced Mig-21, for a good reason… I believe he could choose any Mig as desired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Toon

Historically, no one in the 80's or later dared to perform carpet bombing, anymore. So, AGM-142 it is. Proper disclosure: AGm-142 is an Israeli missile, so I have a special interest here...

Fubar, I think I'm not the only one to be interested in such FM. Can you put it in the downloads sector and give us a link?

I wonder if I change the Mig-17 FM by replacing the ...data.ini file with modified one. Does the change take effect only when I fly the Mig-17, or also for AI driven Migs, when they are my enemy?

Siberia is not far enough. I had the far side of the moon in mind....

Welcome Ali to the forum (Marhaba). This is your first post here. Maybe, as an Egyptian, you have some records of EAF Mig-17 pilots, who actually flight the Mig-17 in the 60's, regarding the behavior of the aircraft at high speed. BTW, is it a Mig pilot's helmet or Mirage?

FM revision was made recently by Migbuster. I'm waiting his response.

On August 12, 1968, two Syrian Mig-17 had landed in Israel by mistake. The Mig-17 has been thoroughly examined by the Israeli Air Force. Dani Shapira the chief test pilot of the IAF revealed: The Mig-17 has superb maneuverability at low speed, better than any other airplane of the era, up to 350 knots. Above that speed the stick becomes stiff, and above 600 knots it was nearly impossible to move the stick at all. Dani Shapira had advised the IAF pilots to engage the Mig-17 only above 400 knots.

Regarding most of the IR guided SA missiles, you can avoid them by flying high, the IR seeker can not lock-on from distance. But, as far as A-A IRM are involved, the credit goes to the aircraft who fired them, not to the IRM itself.

Maybe different FM for each variant. You can easily change the variant in my head on mission, using a simple text editor. You can also confront Mig-17F vs Mig-17PF, in order to test your observation.

Pretty tied results for the Mig-17 and Mig-19 as the formidable opponent of the 60's. A head to head engagement between these Migs can be interesting. I just uploaded here such a mission: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=9389 If someone has changed his mind after this mission, just post here.

The original missions were too easy. I just updated the difficulty level.

View File Mig-17PF vs. Mig-19s- Test missions for the poll Mig-17PF vs. Mig-19s Test missions for the poll Drop the two missions into C:\...\Wings Over Israel\Missions folder In order to change the mission challenge you can change this line, using any text editor. [AircraftMission002] … PilotTrainingStandard=Ace ;PilotTrainingStandard=EXCELLENT …. Submitter guyran Submitted 07/07/2009 Category User Made Missions

Mig-17pf Mig-19S Mig-21MF F-4E

If you know the 9B limitations you can significantly increase their PK. Shoot 9B in 6 o'clock only from the center-line, when the range in under 1.5Km, and when you and the bandit do not pulling G. Otherwise use the guns. The IAF used this method to increase the PK of the Shafrir 2 missiles, in the early 70's.

What is your most formidable opponent? 1. Red in the 60's and early 70's A. Mig-17 B. Mig-19 C. Mig-21 D. Hunter E. SAM-6 :yes: 2. Blue in the 60's and early 70's A. F-4 B. F-8 C. F-104 D. Mirage V Nesher E. Cfir-C2 3. Red in late 70's and early 80's A. Mig-23 B. Mig-25 C. Mig-29 D. Su-27 4. Blue in late 70's and early 80's A. F-14 B. F-15 C. F-16 D. Harrier

It can be interesting. Let's give it a try. Nothing to lose.

Is it technically possible to make a poll on the forum and choose the most formidable opponent?

The Mig-25 Foxbat was the soviet response to the American SR-71 Blackbird. It was traditionally used as high altitude reconnaissance aircraft according to the soviet doctrine, more than a fighter/interceptor. The only successful air fight, which I know about, was the shooting down of an American F/A 18C Hornet during desert storm on 1991. On the other hand an Israeli F-15 had shoot down a Syrian Mig-25 on 1981. Actually the Mig-25 is a heavy aircraft, with poor maneuverability, that can't exceed 4.5G. It's mainly advantage is the ability to disengage at will. I think that the Su-27 and Mig-29 are more formidable rivals I disagree that it is the F-15, that made the difference over Lebanon. Actually the pilots are responsible for the air superiority, not the aircraft. I suppose the same results were achieved, using the F-16 or even the old F-4 or IAI Cfir. On the 1973, Six-days war, Israel won total air superiority over Arab sky, without the F-15, or any other American aircraft.

I thought other people to have different ideas regarding their worst rival. Anyway, what are your choices for worst rivals in the 70's and 80's?

Yes, according to Australian clock.

For me the worst rival in the 60's flying as blue is the Mig-17, due to his unparalleled maneuverability in dogfight. The worst rival in the cold war era when flying as red, is the F-4 phantom, due to his long range radar guided missiles, which make it difficult to close the range unharmed.

To our American friends. Happy Independence Day – the Fourth of July. Congratulations.