MAKO69

Holy crap that is cool. In reality how stealthy can a swing wing be?

Go Bruins game 7 tomorrow

We'll agree to disagre, I still love the work you do for the flight sims though, and 1 vet to another keep up the good work. Later be safe

we would own the air before it went in

The b-52 is a bomber has nothing in common w/the f-4 phantom

would you send it in to an AO w/out airsuperiority by it self.

What escourts a B-52 not an F-4

your quote got in my reply hit the wrong button fixed it

All second string players in those airforces. Your missing the point if you use the F-4 as a first in apex fighter your toast.

I have an F-4 as my desk top, its 1 of the planes i fly in the sims the most.

The F-4, I wish it was still in are inventory, but then there is somthing called progression. forums should have heated and pasisonate discussions, thats what they are for right. As soon as a forum becomes censored it becomes a pulpit.

I love it

Lets take an F-86D, stick a state of the art radar and computers in her. slap a couple Aim-120s, and GPS bombs( not bobs sorry to any bobs out there) presto state of the art fighter, that ought to work 2

Then we wasted a lot of money on aircraft. The F-18 thing is a whole other can of worms.

He brought up the 1980 Corvette. I could'nt resist my 01 C-5 does the job better than a C-3 corvette could ever dream of doing. That was a bad analogy.

What Im saying is the F-4 in any form can not be your #1 plane. Compare it to a football team. In modern battle it cant be a starter. Its got to be speacial teams or 2nd string. If all you got for your #1 plane is the F-4 phantom, good luck taking on a nation that has a modern airforce. The JASDF F-4 EJ KAI is a great upgrade glass cockpit, radar, computers good stuff meant to prolong the life of an aging dog. That upgrade was started in 1984 or 1985 with first units deployed in 1989 (20 years ago). Turkey and Greec its OK both comparable air Arms that rely on other aircraft as fighter interceptors. The F-4E 2020 a very similer upgrade to the F-4 2000 meant for the air to ground role. The greek F-4E had a similar upgrade to the F-4F+ICE I'll say those have a fighing chance, because they are AMRRAM capable. A modern airforce against a nation using F-4s, Its common sense not ignorance. When 1 F-22 can shoot down 6 F-15, and the F-15 had no clue were the F-22 was, I say good luck to the guy flying the f-4 in any form of upgrade. If you read my previous statement I took nothing away from the aircrafts air to ground capability. If the plane was still pheasable why are we not using it as a front line fighter, instead we use it as target drone. Because we are a modern aiforce.

P.S. Bad news news on the Vette its not a maintance pig alright its just a pig . A 1980 Corvette has more in common with a ford pinto than a modern performance car. C-5s and C-6s Are world class turners. C-3 is looks only.

The diffrence between the F-4 and a modern aircraft is the diffrence between throwing a bullet and shooting bullet they simply do not compare.

The F-4 Was a great aircraft dont get me wrong. If the F-4 has Air Superiortity (Which was provided by another aircraft) yes its a good Platform for air to ground as a bomb truck. Now the F-4F was a dumbed up F-4E for the GE airforce, the ICE programe I think was started sometime around 1982 or 1983 and finished some 10 years later in a 2 phase programme so that plane has a good fighting chance against aircraft the same or less capability. The F-4F+ICE was a great upgrade on an old plane state of the art stuff in mid to late 1980s early 90's. Next The F-4 2000 was a great upgrade for an old plane I think it was somtime in 1989 it was operational. Meant for the air to ground role . The The F-4 EJ another good upgrade meant as a stop gap till all squdrons are flying the F-15. The Greek and Turkish F-4s another great upgrade meant to extend the life of an old work horse. You make great points However. If I was going to have to fight my way into a AO drop my ord. and come home to my family I would want an the before mentioned F-16, F-18. None of the F-4s however could make it in a war today as a front line aircraft. Its Rein as King has come and gone, but I'll say again the F-4 was one of the best fighters in its day. It has no place on the modern battlefield.

WE use the f-4 as target practice already not much would change right.

Cause the peeps flying the f-4 wont be able to buy surplus f-15 and f-22 from the peeps that operate them.

Guys and gals come on the phantom was....."WAS" a great platform, but it can't compete w/the modern fighter aircraft club. It would be like bringing a six shooter from the old west to gun fight were the openent has that super .50 cal sniper rifle. You folks have heard of beyond vis range missles right. Same thing the Guy w/ the old gun doesnt see or here it coming game ova. P.S. Dont get me wrong I love the Phantom for what it was, and love it as a "WAR BIRD" now. Later Be safe peeps

If your going to dog fight in this aircraft drop all unneeded stores and don't drop below 400 kts because delta winged aircraft love love speed and handle better w/speed drop below that 400kts and you can get yourself into trouble quick. 1-2 maybe 3 ACM moves if the 1st 2 were'nt really aggressive. then get your speed back up make the migs turn for you and have them scrub their speed. Fake them out. That airbrake thing only works in the movies. SPEED IS LIFE. wikipedia this "Dicta Boelcke"was written for WWI, but it still applies to to modern aircombat. Later Peeps be safe, oh and..... GO RED SOX!!!