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Saw episode 1 - was okay I thought - I guess the program can concentrate on the social issues such a thing may cause (In what looks like 2015 UK). The girl had a (old) point about trying to compete with a computer on certain things. I guess if the robots look human you can get some actors to do the job - easier than CGI. It seems inevitable that humanity will push that way as far as it can.........but too early to know how things will pan out.............still can't book an easy jet flight to the moon/ Mars (typical assumptions I used to read about in books in the 80s). Before the Terminator or the Cylons come along.........laugh while you can:
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A noob here
MigBuster replied to R33GZ's topic in Thirdwire: Strike Fighters 2 Series - General Discussion
A note on the campaigns - you will be able to fly any aircraft in a campaign that you wish - they can be edited via their respective data.ini files. (if you don't have the campaign customiser). http://combatace.com/topic/44798-adding-aircraft-to-campaigns-in-sf2/ -
A noob here
MigBuster replied to R33GZ's topic in Thirdwire: Strike Fighters 2 Series - General Discussion
The latest installer should handle installs in any order we were informed. If you add another game or patch to an existing install you will need to do some of the mods again because it overwrites a few things. You could have installed them all merged and then ran then separately using the individual exes - there also a way to limit each game to the original theatres and campaigns. http://combatace.com/topic/82324-keeping-sf2-games-separate-when-you-have-merged-them-all/ Flying other aircraft - http://combatace.com/topic/20789-how-to-make-ai-planes-flyable/- there should be pits available for a number of them -
Having issues with SF2NA and new computer
MigBuster replied to macelena's topic in Thirdwire: Strike Fighters 2 Series - General Discussion
Where did you install it? Any change if you run the game as admin (right click on the icon) Real shame I missed win 8 -
Cancelled DCS Super Hornet Discussion....
MigBuster replied to EricJ's topic in Digital Combat Simulator Series Modding/Skinning Chat
Lost it at 8 miles in that vid! Has it got worse just over the past few years? ED revised the WWII awards and they have been allocated to people who backed them (including myself). The original WWII project team led by Oleg and Ilya didnt last long at all after the kickstarter money was raised - ran out of many and went quiet......... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=126824 Whether ED could legally slash the rewards is something I am gladly not going to give a toss about - but if a free Lawyer in international trades law with Russia is about then perhaps they can advise how to waste time making an issue out of it -
http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-unscathed-hostile-fire-green-flag Not a single F-35 was “shot down” during the joint-force Green Flag exercises testing the jet and its pilots’ prowess operating it in a contested air-support role in the Western U.S. this month, according to U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Cameron Dadgar, head of the exercise and leader of the 549th Combat Training Sqdn. at Nellis AFB, Nevada. This is notable because A-10s and F-16s were defeated in the same conditions, operating in an environment with hostile aircraft and surface-to-air missiles, he said. USAF officials suggest this validates the theory of Air Force leaders that sacrificing weapons load for stealth in the F-35’s design proved solid, at least for these mission sets. Skeptics, however, say the exercise was a public relations stunt designed to sell the jet as the service continues its uphill battle to convince Congress and others that the aircraft will be a sufficient replacement for the F-15E, F-16 and A-10 for future close air support (CAS) missions. Therein lies the dichotomy between dialogs in the capitols of nations buying the Lockheed Martin F-35 and operators receiving it for training. The latter appear to be at least satisfied with the early, nascent capabilities provided by the F-35A Block 2B jets used in Green Flag, and operators are working to hone pilot skills in employing the jet. By contrast, discussions in Washington—as well as at the Paris Air Show—are focused on constantly justifying the existence of the F-35, the most costly weapons program in Pentagon history. Program managers are aiming to lower the cost of the jet (about $100 million per copy) and boost production numbers as well as defend its incrementally increasing capabilities. The F-35 has participated in Green Flag exercises—conducted twice a year—since 2013; however, this was the first time it was featured prominently. “In comparison with the other airframes, they provided the most sorties over the most days,” says Master Sgt. Sanjay Allen, a Nellis spokesman. Two operational test F-35As participated in the fight from Edwards AFB, California. They flew more than 10 days, with sorties taking place in some cases multiple times a day. Typical weapon loadout for these missions included a single 2,000-lb. GBU-31 and two 500-lb. GBU 12s, which are laser-guided Paveways, Allen says. He bristles at the idea that the media invitation to Green Flag was an F-35 PR stunt. “We’ve had media days at this Green Flag before,” he says. “Just because the F-35 is here doesn’t mean this is a PR stunt.” He and Maj. Christopher Laird, an F-35 pilot, say pilots are learning lessons on how better to employ the F-35 in a contested CAS role, the point of the exercise. With his focus on training pilots, Laird seems almost exasperated at the PR stunt criticism. “This isn’t magic,” he says. “It isn’t bringing anything magic to the fight,” but adding a new capability to the mix, he contends. Green Flag is intended to tax operators to their max so when they reach actual combat they are proficient in a variety of scenarios. Perhaps contributing to the “PR stunt criticism” is that Green Flag is the lesser known of Nellis’s big exercises. Air Force leaders have only recently begun to discuss the exercise widely as they have fought to explain how the F-35 will provide CAS. They more often point to Red Flag, which tests pilots’ air-to-air skills, as the gold standard of flying exercises. Laird says the F-35 pilots were able to communicate directly with ground-based air controllers calling in fires for CAS. While doing so, the F-35s provided their own counter air, or capability to evade hostile fires. He acknowledges that one challenge is for the F-35 to communicate with legacy aircraft—F-15Es, F-16s and A-10s—when operating covertly. The F-35’s Link 16 is effective in transmitting data, but it broadcasts the jet’s location, nullifying its stealthiness. By contrast, F-35s can pass data to other F-35s via the Multifunction Advanced Data Link, which is not accessible to legacy aircraft. “What we are trying to figure out now is integrating the F-35 with fourth-gen assets,” Laird says. Passing threat data from the F-35 to these fighters will make them more survivable in the fight, he adds. Nellis officials did not provide sortie tallies. Meanwhile, Marine Corps officials are preparing for a series of operational readiness trials for the first squadron of F-35Bs in advance of the plan to announce initial operational capability for the aircraft in late July. VMFA-121 at MCAS Yuma, Arizona, will be the first operational F-35 unit in the world, with 10 F-35B Block 2B aircraft and enough trained pilots and maintainers to deploy for operations if needed.
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You could be right regarding Boyd - unfortunately he is no longer around to ask. I sincerely hope he wouldn't have fallen as low as some of his so called acolytes to start preaching POGO anti-military hysteria. As you say it is besides the point - also because what I stated above still stands regardless. You have brought up some good things in your post - a few points. We have a good idea the program has failed in many areas because everyone including the Military and LM have admitted it - although it is very difficult to quantify the level of screw up. A lot of reports are very critical and there has been very little praise (I will post the praise because it's only 2 lines :): As previously stated, the program can be commended for learning from the historical mistakes of the TFX program. (G Bowman 2008) Then there is the cost - it is expensive sure - how expensive for a tactical fighter? I have the official figures in the SARs and other reports but I have yet to see any meaning full comparisons that provide any closure. Other reports compare figures with the initial estimates that somebody guessed at, media spouts all kinds of figures without the meaning behind them. It is also difficult to compare them with older less complex programs involving commonality (F-4/F-111), you need to know exactly what given figures specify and include and even then how do you account for the leap in capability and complex-ability ( just another guestimate?). No one can see the future but also no one is going to base requirements completely on past and current threats. This may add to the risks and costs even further, and they may get it wrong - but if there is no forward thinking into these things you end up with nothing more than the Maginot line. Lastly - something else difficult to gauge is the level of public exposure and information available on the F-35 which seems exponentially more than any other Tactical Fighter program ever. A lot of major dev and design issues from previous programs were never exposed to the public in the same manor.
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Was not happy to see a thread about a Mac - however a Big Mac or a Macelena is good with me - welcome back!
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Cancelled DCS Super Hornet Discussion....
MigBuster replied to EricJ's topic in Digital Combat Simulator Series Modding/Skinning Chat
Maybe this will cheer you up - the author claims he is a comedian so just a bit of harmless fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E7RS-5qfzg -
Well there might be a few issues currently but I dont see how this is a major problem. The USAF / USN/USMC defined requirements - but how any contractor could promise anything whatsoever to meet them concerning systems that don't exist and have never been attempted is something I would need to clarify. With software engineering projects, required resource including time and cost can be worked out using a variety of fancy formulas that should incorporate risk factors - but at the end of the day they are nothing more than educated guesses. Even if you had good management and no corruption/politics you could never ever guarantee an accurate time scale or whether every requirement could be actually engineered until attempting it. Lockheed changed some KPPs including G and acceleration if that is what you are getting at. Not sure who defined the KPPs at the start of the project - again how could these be set in stone?, secondly the information provided does not actually confirm any significant degredation in performance - despite the media frenzy at the time who had no idea whatsoever what those figures meant. This is the most complex tactical fighter program in history - every other fighter program in history has also had corruption/polictical involvement and a majority of the aircraft have had issues (fatal ones) well after IOC. All the issues the press previously got their knickers in a twist over were resolved - why not all these other issues? The F100-PW-100 for the F-15 had major problems - they sorted some of these out for the F-16A (F100-PW-200) - but the pilots still had to be careful with the throttles to avoid compressor stalling it - this wasn't fixed until F100-PW-220 well after USAF IOC. On the lower level most LM engineers are probably driven by passion for the technical challenge - and they still had to design and put together what has turned out to be essentially a technical miracle that even conforms to Boyds theories and Hillakers design wishes - you even get a super Harrier (The old subsonic one wasn't bad in actual combat). Dear the US of A - cheer up, this thing really isn't that bad!
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Their new aircraft needs some wings though I think
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEixBmIAifc
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Cancelled DCS Super Hornet Discussion....
MigBuster replied to EricJ's topic in Digital Combat Simulator Series Modding/Skinning Chat
Somewhat unfortunate and disappointing considering you were willing to get off your A and get something moving. Welcome back to SF2 world -
DCS World Edge
MigBuster replied to MigBuster's topic in Digital Combat Simulator Series General Discussion
News that ED has an F-5E in WIP is very good news - I hope they pull it off. -
We will likely never go to war with Russia and China - but they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't consider potential future scenarios with other countries - and there doesn't need to be anything sustained about it. The F-35 was eventually designed to have a primary A-G role - but considering it has far better systems than the F-22 (Not short of gutting the F-22 and starting again) then I would expect it to have an edge over the F-22 in some aspects. The politics & cost are irrelevant at the end of the day because no one can change it and the thing's going IOC - much to the anger of a lot of people. The reality is though it is a top class aircraft - performance & systems wise.
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You make some valid points on the general cost of operating aircraft - and yes this would mean more airframe hours. This does need to be offset by the fact that a combat aircraft also has a deterrence value - and for the F-35 this is greater than an Typhoon or F-16. Airforces are also investing in the latest technology and can train on the new tactics and systems to keep them relevant. Also it has to be considered that a cheaper aircraft is a total waste of money if it cannot do it's job - no one can see the future but nations have to try and predict threats regardless. An F-16 type aircraft does not guarantee air space sovereignty now let alone in 20 years time - and this doesn't have to be Russia/China - any country can get a case of the wrong person in charge. From my point of view if an aircraft only does airshows, and peacetime duties because of the deterrence value it provides it is money well spent.
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We give every F-5A pilot a punch in the nose
MigBuster posted a topic in Military and General Aviation
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Yes it is up to the governments - they makes the decisions based on information provided to them by relevant offices etc The Strategic Defence Review 2010 clearly outlined the HM governments intentions including using the F-35C. Average taxpayers had ZERO say - I certainly didn't see a referendum on whether the UK should get the F-35. Likewise there was no referendum on going to the F-35B - this was purely down to cost cutting according to the Audit Office - and rightly so - 99.9% taxpayers have no understanding of the issue so are in no position to comment. (this also applies to the many cost figures going about) As for numerical superiority would any of the JSF partners ever be truly alone? - most of the point is better integration with allied equipment during joint operations. Israel perhaps could be the exception but they go against your example because they were outnumbered and surrounded in 1967 by users who had comparable (not worse!) A-A equipment with a real threat of conventional war. To me the F-35 could be just a jobs program to keep the top line skills and jobs in countries that want them - and if it is - then I don't see an issue - it has to be done in some way. As a tax payer I don't remember ever having any say to where the tax actually goes (it is wasted on far worse things than JSF) but I will gladly vote red instead of blue in 5 years time (Yes we have a choice of 2 parties in our token vote).
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Hostage caused a stir in late spring when, in press interviews, he said the F-35 would be stealthier than the F-22, its larger USAF stablemate. Conventional wisdom had pegged the F-22, with its angled, vectored-thrust engines, as a stealthier machine than the F-35. Hostage also said the F-35 would be unbeatable when employed in numbers, which is why the full buy of aircraft is "so critical." "I would say that General Hostage … is accurate in his statement about the simple stealthiness of the F-35 [with regard] to other airplanes," Bogdan said in the interview. The statement was accurate for radar cross section, as measured in decibels, and range of detectability, he said, and he scoffed at the notion that anyone can tell how stealthy an aircraft is just by looking at it. http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2014/December%202014/The-F-35-on-Final-Approach.aspx Unless the F-16 is clean - or has a DI under 50 then the F-35 should be more maneuverable - (depending how you define it ) can even do the slow speed high alpha thing (50 degrees limit) - not that it needs to. The F-35 is manouverable where it actually matters! - that is before you take HMDs and EODAS into consideration. If the EODAS thing can track ID and fire on airborne targets 360 degrees then anything stupid enough to do the old fashioned nose point stunt with an IR sig hotter than the sun is going to have a very bad day! You will notice the F-16s doing Baltic patrols with Sniper TGPs - well the top end limit with one of them is according to the manual under M1.6.......... On the the stealth payload thing well - the F-16 has no stealth mode thus any comparison should be the full non stealthily payload on wing pylons....... Even more ridiculous is the only A-G payload that the F-16 bests an F-35 internal loadout is 4 x duel mount JSOWs on BRU-57s. Is the F-35 more costly? likely yes if you take the 1000s of figures banded about from official sources and those who spin BS in the media - but then again you are getting an aircraft that is literally on a different planet in terms of all round capability. If governments want to spend the money then - up to them - on the other hand if you have an airforce you probably don't want to be flying obsolete equipment if you can afford it
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Research would suggest the F-35 is far better and capable in this role than the F-16 now let alone in the future when the systems are mature. Even the Block 60 let alone the USAF ones using ancient avionics - note even the recent CAPES upgrade was not funded! ( that still would have left them with far less capability - didn't even include an IRST let alone other bits). As it stands I would expect the F-35 to be up there with the F-22 regarding real life A-A . Translated from http://blogg.regjeringen.no/kampfly/2015/04/20/moderne-luftkamp-the-right-stuff-top-gun-eller-noe-helt-annet/#more-1050 In a post in the official norwegian ministry of defence JSF programme blog, the norwegian captain Morten Hanche, test pilot on F-35 with a background on F-16s in the 338 Squadron RNAF, writes some about how an F-35A compares to the Viper in air to air. Unfortunately in norwegian, but the translation to english is decent. Best passage in my opinion is this, Many of my colleague flyers are curious what the F-35 mean in terms of pure performance; how fast , how high , how far ? Performance has also been diligently debated in both newspapers and Internet forums . In this post , I therefore intend to look at how both " stealth " and performance could affect the outcome of a dogfight . I hope you understand that I cannot share the " juicy details " but I do not think it is necessary to get your message across . Modern Air Combat bears little resemblance to fly sequences many know from the film Top Gun . In Top Gun we see a " melee " in the air ; planes chasing each other with only a few tens of meters. When we exercise similar setup between two F-16 , the goal is often to kill your opponent using only aircraft cannon. Usually starting setups between 1,000 and 3,000 feet apart. Within distance has shrunk to 500 meters tend struggle to be settled, without the help of missiles. Top Gun looks great, but it does not describe modern air combat . Training with cannon is not irrelevant, but modern air combat is often decided before the pilots can see each other with their own eyes . Modern missiles have long range and are very maneuverable . They also have reliable sensors and deadly warheads. When we consciously limit ourselves to only use the cannon , it takes a lot for not a missile shot has ruled the fight long before there is talk about the " dogfight ". Top Gun looks great, but it does not describe modern air combat. Air Combat is a merciless arena. The outcome is influenced by many factors, including weather conditions, aircraft maneuverability, range, speed, sensors, antidotes, weapons systems, visual and electromagnetic signature, the pilot's knowledge, training level and will. I mean it is not possible to point to one single factor as the most important. The whole is composed. One weak area does not necessarily mean that the aircraft is badly in dogfight, but the characteristics must be balanced. The most maneuverable plane has the advantage if it comes to "dogfight". If I can "point" own plane in the direction of the opponent, I can simultaneously follow him with their own sensors and threaten all weapons. Yet it is not always so that the most maneuverable aircraft winner. Modern sensors and missiles changes the balance in a dogfight. Our old F-16 is quite heavy in the butt when they are dressed up with all the necessary role equipment: External Fuel, målbelysningsutstyr, weapon mounts, weapons and equipment for electronic countermeasures. There is little left of maneuverability as the audience will watch a air display. In return, our F-16 equipped with a helmet sight and highly maneuverable heat-seeking missile. Therefore, it is not as critical that our F-16 is not particularly maneuverable with weapons; our missiles are more maneuverable than any other fighter. Helmet Indicted means we do not need to point the nose of the plane in the direction of the opponent - we can "throw" a shot over the shoulder. Shot can hardly escape ... It is an advantage to have the fastest fighter. Superior speed makes it possible to collect or escape an opponent. All javelin throwers user misses to throw as far as possible. Likewise, it is advantageous to fly high and fast when a missile being shot. The missile gets more energy which in turn increases the range so that the missile can be fired by the longer distance. If we assume equally proficient pilots, equally good sensors and equally good missiles, it seems that raw performance alone can determine the outcome of a dogfight - the fastest flying can shoot first. Whoever shoots first wins often. Pierre Spey and other critics have pointed out that the F-35 is not as fast or maneuverable as modern Russian fighter. In a previous section I argued that the performance of the F-16 at air display is theoretical and not available in a war situation. Combat aircraft like the F-16 carries the load out. This reduces the practical range, speed, maneuverability and maximum altitude. (This also applies to your opponent's aircraft, which carries the load out). With the F-35, we get more of all this, compared to what we are used to today. To discover how much more was a positive surprise for me. In full war equipment operates F-35 effortlessly 10,000 to 15,000 feet higher than our F-16 can, without using afterburner. The speed in 'cruises' is without further 50 to 80 knots higher. In the F-16, I must use afterburner and take running speed before a missile shot. F-35 "cruiser" both faster and higher. Therefore, I am ready to shoot far anytime. In full war equipment operates F-35 effortlessly 10,000 to 15,000 feet higher than our F-16s F-35 also has more fuel than we are accustomed to, it carries the load inside and is not as dependent on afterburner. Therefore we are left with more range than the F-16 and similar aircraft can achieve. "Combat radius" for the F-35 is between 30% and 70% longer than we get with the F-16! The extra range comes in handy in our elongated country. Range may alternatively be replaced in endurance over a given area. This is useful for our little organization, which disposes tanker and relies on versatility in all aspects. Back to performance; perhaps it is the fastest flying can shoot first? In this case, I take even one important proviso; both planes must discover each other at the same distance if kinematics alone shall be conclusive. My experience shows that this is not very realistic. In daily training between their F-16 and meet with our allies, we experience in practice what radar signature and electronic antidotes means. Our old F-16 is "small" on radar and is detected late, compared to other modern fighter aircraft. We also notice the effect of external load; the heaviest loaded planes are detected at the furthest distance because the external load increases radar signature. I therefore claim that it is unrealistic to assume that two militant fighter discovers each other simultaneously, although the sensors basically are equally good. The effect of radar signature and electronic antidotes are great. The effect of radar signature and electronic antidotes are great. If an opponent with " old-fashioned " radar signature meets an aircraft as the F-35 , with very small radar signature , it becomes difficult to exploit the benefits that provides superior performance . Imagine a meeting between a highly trained sprinter and a sniper . The mission is to shoot counterpart. Both are armed with hunting rifles , but only marksmen have riflescope . Sprinter has to return a more powerful rifle , but he is dressed in neon colored tracksuit , and takes up on the short end of a football field. Marksman is camouflaged somewhere on the opposite end path . Sprinter is the fastest and the most powerful rifle , but what is he shooting at ? While sprinter gallops across the track in search of his opponent , he must take shot after shot . This is not a smooth match. Unfortunately I have found that it is extremely frustrating to train dogfight when we can not find the opponent with its own sensors. It ends rarely well .. The outcome of a dogfight between two identical fighter decided finally by the individual pilot. It requires time and significant resources to cultivate a skilled pilot. Especially important is perhaps a steady supply of flying time, a good and constructive learning environment, access to appropriate airspace and an organization that facilitates training. During exercises have my colleagues in the Air Force and I many times flown against more modern fighter than our F-16. Yet, "wins" we occasionally air war against more advanced adversaries, technically speaking. Often the explanation is that we meet inexperienced pilots. More interesting is perhaps when we meet pilots with completely different culture for learning and collaboration. My impression is that cultures where the distance from the conductor to lead is large, fail to cultivate equally skilled pilots. In such highly hierarchical organizations it is perhaps impossible to be honest with your boss in "debriefing" after the flight. Therefore they miss out on important learning. My point with this post was to show that many variables affect the outcome of the dogfight. The situation is rarely black and white. One of the most diffuse might skill of the individual pilot. I am often surprised when I read cocksure posts in newspapers and comment fields. Common to many such posts is a "digital" interpretation of performance data. A speed XY, B rate YY = A is best, period. One problem is the source data referenced. Another is that it tends to focus on a few isolated parameters. Our experience with the F-35 so far has shown us a fighter that will surprise many in air-to-air role. The combination of high performance, good sensors and low signature makes the F-35 to a dangerous opponent in air campaign. Finally; remember that even Arnold Schwarzenegger had to resort to lavsignatur in the old classic "Predator." When using mud. Brute strength is good, but camouflage also works ...
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Strike Fighters 2 Screenshots
MigBuster replied to Dave's topic in Thirdwire: Strike Fighters 2 Series - Screen Shots
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The solution to Israel’s speed issues came in the form of a proposal from General Dynamics to convert/modify existing F-4Es to a different engineering standard. The overall aerodynamics of the jet would largely remain the same, save for the inclusion of two large conformal tanks on both sides of the fuselage just above the engines, carrying around 2500 gallons of water (9600 liters for our friends who use the metric system). Now, you’re thinking- wait a second… did I just read that right? What the heck are they going to do with 5000 gallons of water on a fighter jet? Water injection. The boffins at General Dynamics figured that the secret to lifting the Phantom’s speed was pre-compressor cooling (PCC for short), where water would be injected into the air rushing through the engine inlets on its way to the combustion cores, reducing the temperature of the air passing in. By cooling down the air, the mass and density would theoretically be increased, giving the F-4 a major improvement on its thrust output, especially at higher altitudes. The corporate suits at General Electric, the company that designed and built the Phantom’s J79 engines, weren’t thrilled with this suggestion but nevertheless assisted nominally with the research into the concept. This wasn’t anything especially new- General Dynamics had previously attempted something similar with the Convair F-106 Delta Dart, though the work that was put into modifying the F-106 never amounted to anything substantial. Testing done at the Arnold Engineering Development Center, operated by the USAF, found that with pre-compressor cooling, engines could be run with the afterburner engaged for incredible periods of time (e.g. they managed to keep a J75 going with the afterburner lit for 40 hours). PCC had also been used by McDonnell Douglas when the F-4 was first built, just to help break and set a few speed records with the then-new jet, though the system installed in the early F-4 was very basic and barebones, compared to what General Dynamics wanted to do with the F-4X. The new PCC setup for the F-4X would “mist” the water into the engine, thus preventing moisture buildup inside the engine. To make the most of PCC, the air intake inlets were redesigned with larger scoops and a redefined shape, improving the airflow moving into the compressor chambers. To help manage the airflow as efficiently as possible, controllable intake ramps were installed as well as vortex generators for both of the J79s installed. What was the final result of all of this? An F-4 Phantom II that could fly at more than three times the speed of sound for sustained dashes, and would be able to cruise at above Mach 2.4 during missions. The fastest fighter jet ever made (that we know of). The US Air Force quickly gave up on the concept, floated to them first by General Dynamics before Israel got wind of it; likely due to the coming of the high-performance McDonnell Douglas F-15A. While Air Force brass were unwilling to demonstrate any semblance of interest in such an idea because of the impending air superiority fighter acquisition, the State Department had a different worry in mind. At that point in history, the SR-71, flown solely by the United States, gave the US an unparalleled and untouchable intelligence-gathering capability. Allowing foreign customers, even ones with closely-held allegiances to the US, the ability to posses and operate an aircraft with such strengths as the F-4X would be a less than optimal situation. Soviet human intelligence (HUMINT) agents would potentially garner information on the jet, or heaven forbid, actually take an F-4X for analysis, giving the USSR the opportunity to build and field a counter-aircraft that could take out the SR-71 and severely hinder the USAF/CIA’s intel program. The government immediately banned the export of the jet. Working quickly, General Dynamics removed the F-4X’s weapon systems and hardpoints, disarming the jet and circumventing the ban. Instead of flying as a fighter, the aircraft would be equipped with the previously-mentioned HIAC-1 LOROP camera in the nose. Dubbed the RF-4X, it wasn’t the fighter that Israel wanted, but it still fit their reconnaissance purposes well. After securing permission to shop the RF-4X to Israel in 1974, the, the Israeli Air Force loaned General Dynamics an F-4E (serial no. 69-7576) to work with as a mockup, and later, an RF-4X prototype/testbed. Physical work commenced on the RF-4X in November, soon after the aircraft’s delivery, and carried on into the next year. Cardboard and papier-mache was used to simulate the new intake/inlet architecture, as well as the large PCC blister tanks on the sides of the fuselage. The nose of the Rhino was also taken apart and modified to house the HIAC-1. The IAF hounded General Dynamics to build the PCC system as soon as possible, since their need was urgent. However, engineers discovered that they needed far more time than what Israel had to offer. After the USAF withdrew interest from the RF-4X, the program was cut. There was no way Israel could fund such a project on its own. The fastest Phantom in history was dead, having never flown or even proceeded past the mockup stage. Phantom phanatics, I hope you had a box of tissues handy while reading the above. http://tacairnet.com/2015/06/18/redeveloping-the-f-4-phantom-ii-into-a-mach-3-fighterspy-plane/