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Well, courtesy of YouTube I saw a bit of Dawn Patrol - though it was kinda slow so I didn't watch alot. I certainly saw some N-28's plus several others. Thomas Morse Scouts (I think that is the correct name) + some other Nieuport types? In the short bit I watched it appeared some N-28's took off but then in the air they became, I think, the Morse Scouts. Anyone with a good connection - and great plane knowledge - want to try and name all the types? I think there a 4 kinds on the "allied" side. EDIT: Well, I guess you can find about anything on the internet. This is from Wikipedia: "Aircraft Howard Hawks assembled a variety of planes in a film squadron to shoot the flying scenes for the original version of The Dawn Patrol. Hawks used rebuilt Nieuport 28s as the primary airplane for the British squadron, and Travel Air 4000s (reconfigured for films and popularly known as "Wichita Fokkers")[20][21] for German fighters, but other aircraft in his small fleet included Standard J-1s for shots of entire squadrons, some of which were blown up in explosions, and Waterman-Boeing C biplanes for German aircraft destroyed in crashes. The scene in which Scott takes off with Courtney clinging to the wing switches to a shot of a Travel Air 4U Speedwing fitted with a round cowl over its Comet engine to resemble the Nieuports. Stunt pilots included Leo Nomis, Rupert Symes Macalister, Frank Tomick, and Roy Wilson.[22] 1938 director Goulding used much of this footage in the remake to save production costs.[1] For new closeups of airplanes with his own actors, he acquired three Nieuport 28 replicas from Garland Lincoln, a Van Nuys, California, stunt pilot who also recreated World War I aircraft for Hollywood films. Built by Claude Flagg, these "LF-1"s were constructed from Nieuport plans and had many characteristics of the actual aircraft, including upper wing fabric that ripped in dives. In Goulding's production these aircraft also appear in a few scenes of Nieuports taking off, landing, and taxiing. Additional Nieuport 28s were simulated by Thomas-Morse S-4C Scouts, and two were used in the flying scene in which Courtney and Scott attack the German airdrome. 59th Squadron's airplanes were marked in standard RFC camouflage and national insignia, had the marking "NIEU 24" painted on their tail fins,[23] and displayed a cartoon Hornet painted on each side of the fuselage just behind the cockpit.[22] For scenes at the German airdrome in which aircraft were moved or had engines turning, Goulding used Wichita Fokkers painted black with German markings. His "Pfalzes" had their wings painted in a large and striking black and white checkerboard pattern. Goulding also acquired two genuine Pfalz D.XII fighters for static closeup shots of parked fighters, with at least one re-painted white in a later scene to "expand" their numbers. Actual Nieuport 28s and Pfalz D.XIIs were used much later in the war than the 1915 setting of The Dawn Patrol, and the model 28 Nieuport was not used by the RFC at all, but their familiarity of appearance to American audiences gave a verisimilitude to both films.[22]"

You know, there may be a little truth in this. I would guess if there was a "American" plane in the Great War it would be the N-28. As a bonus in any sim I have ever played (even in FITS/Dawn Patrol - any fans here?) it has always been a solid performer. And reference Dawn Patrol (the movie) I have it on tape - were they not N-23's or N-27's? I forget, its been a while - note to self - find Dawn Patrol on DVD.

Yes - I will admit some odd attraction to the N-28 also. I have a passion for all WW1 aircraft but the N-28 is somehow different and I can't explain why. Looking forward to the release!

Is Sandbagger part of OBD or will this be a aftermarket plane? And I am not familiar with the CFS3 campaign structure. Will OFF campaign files have to be modified to fly the N-28 in campaign mode? I.e., Flying with 94 Sqd in April. 1918 with the N-28 then the campaign switching to Spads in July 1918? After reading that last paragraph I probably answered my own question. Certainly it won't be as easy as just adding the N-28 to the AC folder.

No N-28!?! Hehe...I guess I always presumed it was modeled and never bothered to check. Guess that would explain the problem! I think every WW1 flightsim I have ever touched has had a N-28. Anyone up to the challenge of making one? OBD? Thanks all.

Having some problems with OFF (almost certainly my fault - can't stop deleting "unneeded" files) that required a reinstall of CFS3. Before I delete and reinstall OFF is anyone using the new Nvidia 186.18 drivers? My vid card is a 7950GT. Having big graphic problems but am not sure if its my (possibly) corrupt install or the new driver.

Interesting - good to know. Thanks!

Well, apparently my system just didn't like the the previous driver version. Installed version 190.38 and all is fine. I gotta stop "tweaking" and spend more time flying. Some kinda O.C.D. thing I reckon.

I hear ya but I am always looking for better performance. In any case I see Nvidia has released another brand new set of drivers that I just d/l'ed this morning.. I will give them a shot before a re-install of OFF.

Looking at Olham's map reminded me. I am always curious about the reasons people choose their screen names. I have had mine (among several) for years. Had an old jet flight sim (USNF?) that had pre-assigned call signs for your pilot that you chose from. Well, I always picked "Duke" (a John Wayne thing I guess) but it was not long enough for whatever forum I was on at the time so I added "IronHand" because Anti-air suppression is my favorite mission type in jet sims. I try to keep just a couple of names so I can remember the darned things. What made you choose your name?

Errr....I guess you are being serious here? Since "the company" started the forum I guess they can do what they want with it. Start your own OFF/ROF combo forum somewhere and you can be the moderator of it. So I'm not flying under a false flag here I support OvS's position and also believe a moderator can do what he wants - it his forum. I often wonder where this sense of entitlement comes from that you can say anything anywhere and people have to listen whether they want to or not - and if they don't its a "First Amendment" issue. Geesh...

Very interesting! I shall make the change also.

Well, if we are throwing in the family tree too... My mother was born in Germany (near Stutgart - still have family there) and my fathers family came over from Scotland in the 1800's. Been to multiple countries around the world courtesy of the U.S.M.C. and my mother who loved to travel. My father's father fought with the Americans during WW2 (North Africa and Italy) while my mother's father fought with the Germans (Eastern Front). On my last visit to see him many. many years ago he gave me his medals from the war - including a small bronze plaque designating him as his regiments boxing champion. I gotta write all this down so my children will have it when I die.

Thank you for your work on this. The readme makes it sound like a very impressive piece of work. Already d/l'ed and installed. Will be giving it a test run this weekend - I hope.

Michigan, USA.

Steve, At the excellent webpage you post (http://www.ww1aero.org.au/) there is a article I read that (going by memory) is an interview with a Camel pilot from a Australian fighter squadron serving in France. In the article he states, near the end, that he had some kind of "dust up" with his CO and is sent to the infantry IIRC. He said, basically, that is a "story for another time." As an old infantryman myself (USMC 1980-88) I am curious: Did he ever say why he was sent to the infantry?

Lucky indeed!

I have not spent alot of time examining the file structure of OFF so forgive me if this is a stupid question, I have been using the Intermediate Damage model (for campaigns) but, if I have understood the posts here correctly, just went back to the original DM so I could install the new "mini-patch". I see there is a new Intermediate Damage model (2.0) for quick combat but, since I focus on campaign play, I will wait for the campaign version. Question: Why does OFF (CFS3) have different damage models (campaign and quick combat) for the same A/C? And why would a DM made for quick combat not work in the campaign mode?

Thank you for your thoughts on this. I guess I presumed that since the collision was apparently minor that it wasn't the direct cause for a transfer but there certainly could be other factors as you mention. In my reading of WW1 aero books a lot of pilots made a lot mistakes (some very "dumb" in hindsight) that seemed to be treated as a "cost of business" kind of thing and they blew over and the pilots kept flying. I don't recall anyone being transferred to the infantry for a flying mistake but I guess they would not be the ones to write a book on their aviation career! And Semper Fi to you!

Disregard - good news from another thread http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...40&start=40 EDIT: I would still be interested in a list of DM names - if someone has it handy. I am always tinkering....

Great news! Thanks for checking.

It looks to be a rainy weekend here so.... Is it as "simple" as taking the, for example, the ALB DIII QC DM file and renaming it multiple times for all the different ALB DIII permutations in campaign mode? If so does someone have a list of the various same A/C - different name DM files combos?

Thank you gentlemen for the info.

So the actual DM is not different its "just" a file naming thing?

I live about 2 hours from Dayton and have been meaning to go to this for years but it seems RL stuff always pops up. Stupid work - stupid RL