+Gepard 11,158 Posted January 27, 2008 While working on an updated version of Vogesen Terrain for First Eagles i found the problem of flickering textures of a flat object. My intention was to create a garden for a chateau. For the garden i used the same flat object, that i already successfully used in SFP1 and WOE for creating airfields, i only changed the texture of the garden. While i never had problems in SFP1 and WOE i have in FE to face, that the terrain texture is flickering through the object. Has someone an idea, how to solve this problem? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+JSF_Aggie 1,291 Posted January 27, 2008 Try increasing "ZBufferOffset" to something like 5 in the terrain's _types.ini. I think that fixed it for me on some flat targets I've had the same problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted January 27, 2008 Me too. I first noticed it when I was doing the bridges. I thought it was related to the fact that my vid card can't do the new water effects. When I turned water detail down to low it seemed to do away with most of it. I'll try the zbuffer thing...thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bandy 3 Posted January 27, 2008 (edited) "Try reducing horizon distance options, thats z-buffer problems we're running into because these open cockpits require very close/small Min Z-buffer clipping distance... TK " What he said over at TWire a while back. If this can be solve without lowering H-distance, great! Edited January 27, 2008 by B Bandy RFC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,158 Posted January 28, 2008 Aggie, the ZBuffer thing = 5 worked, but not in the wished way. The flickering is gone, but now i cant see the object texture anymore, its only the terraintile texture visible. I've also tried to set -5, but the flickering is still to see. I will try the idea of Bandy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,158 Posted January 28, 2008 I solved the problem. I had forgotten to include the line FlatObject=TRUE in the types.ini. In combination with ZBufferSetting=6 it runs very satisfying. I think the new version of Vogesen terrain could be released next weekend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted January 30, 2008 Gentlemen, I've already posted, that I love this sim......but there's always room for improvements...right? My problem: Certain ground objects 'flicker' (blink)! A verry good example are those bombed towns along no-mans land. If I get verry close to them they stop 'flickering', but let's say at about 1500ft distance and more it is verry pronounced. I've tried the following stuff...to no avail: - Increased / decreased view distance (within game ...options) - Increased / decreased ground details, ground object details, etc. (within game ...options) - Fiddled around with the flightengine.ini stuff - By de-creasing the zBuffer (flightengine.ini) ...no more flickering, so I guess it's related to the zbuffer...but then a lot of add-on planes start flickering - Also the horizon tiles are anoying (tried the suggestions here concerning the 'farsceneclip', etc. ..didn't work) - I've the NHANCER tool (since I've a NVIDIA7900)...tried a couple of things....no way - Drivers are up-to-date, DX up-to-date Any...I mean ANY help would be highly appreciated!!!! ONE solution could be (at least for the 'bombed towns') raising the buildings slightly above the ground. So there's on overlapping of the ground and the buildings (since the flicker is caused at exactly the transition point). But WHERE do I configure that??? kind regards gterl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bandy 3 Posted January 30, 2008 I've seen the texture flicker issue mostly on parked aircraft, but also elsewhere. I figured it was my ATI card being flaky all over again, but glad (in an offhand way) that Nvidia cards are also showing this. It means that hopefully it will get solved with another patch. I really enjoyed the high-setting water effects, but now have to turn that off because of terrible flicker. I am now wondering if everyone experiences the "BIG TRIANGLE IN THE SKY" on overcast days??? I have not seen it mentioned on the forums, but will post an image when I get home. The FE ExPack seems to have been a major step backwards in many ways graphics related, and I don't understand where/why the changes were made to the "environment" code since otherwise it looks the same as the original game... I've never spent $60 on something that looked so bad, but I must say flies so well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Bandy, yes I've seen the 'triangle' too!!!!!!!!!!! My personal solution for that one was modifying the environmentsystem.ini to such a degree that I've now 3d clouds ONLY for overcast and inclement (took me quite a while to figure out what where to do). It looks terribly nice now, but I guess depending on the machine quite a FPS hit!! rgds gt UUUPS: Forgot to add NO EP here!! Don't see the reason why to be onest .... Edited January 30, 2008 by gterl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bandy 3 Posted January 30, 2008 yes I've seen the 'triangle' too!!!!!!!!!!! ... I've now 3d clouds ONLY for overcast and inclement (took me quite a while to figure out what where to do). It looks terribly nice now... Well thank the gods I'm not alone with the triangle, though you say you don't have the ExPack, and I've only seen it since I installed it. On my original FE (sans ExPack) I also have only 3d clouds by using two very nice 3rd party mods available here, and was REALLY happy with the look. However, they DON'T work in the ExPack at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Tailspin 3 Posted January 30, 2008 Since we had two posts on the same topic I've merged them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted January 30, 2008 Strange.....I would guess that EP wouldn't change the overall behaviour of the game (the DLL's). Personaly I had to replace the 'overcast.bmp' (can't remember the right name) with transparent tga's & mess around with the 3d clouds. Guess should be feasable also with EP Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted January 30, 2008 Tailspin: Yup tried that with the terraintypes.ini thingi (just by search/repleace) ....nothing happened. My guess this helps ONLY on pure flat objects (the 'bombed town' models are 3d). Another guess is the overall handling of zBuffer within FE since by changing the zbuffer (as mentioned above) cures the problem on the ground objects ....but opens up another one with the planes ......so at the moment is 'one or the other' gterl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted February 1, 2008 just a quick one to show the inclement weather (with rain!), without the 'overcast' layer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+gterl 1,204 Posted February 4, 2008 Alright chaps, just in case anyone is still following this discussion (looking at the other topics I guess everyone is keen on new add-ons ) I've found the solution, at least works here. It looks like FE has a couple of problems with the zBuffer stuff (trees showing up through clouds, horizon-clipping, missing tiles, flickering ground stuff, etc.). The good thing is that is somewhat fixeable. Pls try the following if your ground stuff is flickering: 1. Look within the 'terrain/wwiVerdun' folder for the file WWIVERDUN_TYPES.INI (if you can't find it you may wanna extract it) 2. Change the following stuff (example for the debris, e.g. bombed towns) [TargetType0XX] <----- whatch for continuous numberings Name=DebrisLarge2 FullName=Debris ModelName=DebrisLarge2.LOD TargetType=MISC ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=0 UseGroundObject=FALSE DamagePoint=1.0 RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=0 StartIdentifiedChance=0 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0 MaxVisibleDist=2500.0 ZBufferOffset=24.000000 <----------------------------------- FlatObject=TRUE <----------------------------------- DestroyedEffect=StructureCollapse SecondaryEffect= SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType0XX] <----- whatch for continuous numberings Name=DebrisSmall1 FullName=Debris ModelName=DebrisSmall1.LOD TargetType=MISC ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=0 UseGroundObject=FALSE DamagePoint=1.0 RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=0 StartIdentifiedChance=0 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0 MaxVisibleDist=2500.0 ZBufferOffset=24.000000 <----------------------------------- FlatObject=TRUE <----------------------------------- DestroyedEffect=StructureCollapse SecondaryEffect= SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType0XX] <----- whatch for continuous numberings Name=DebrisSmall2 FullName=Debris ModelName=DebrisSmall2.LOD TargetType=MISC ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=0 UseGroundObject=FALSE DamagePoint=1.0 RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=0 StartIdentifiedChance=0 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0 MaxVisibleDist=2500.0 ZBufferOffset=24.000000 <----------------------------------- FlatObject=TRUE <----------------------------------- DestroyedEffect=StructureCollapse SecondaryEffect= SecondaryChance=0 [TargetType0XX] <----- whatch for continuous numberings Name=DebrisSmall3 FullName=Debris ModelName=DebrisSmall3.LOD TargetType=MISC ActiveYear=0 TargetValue=0 UseGroundObject=FALSE DamagePoint=1.0 RepairRate=0.0 StartDetectChance=0 StartIdentifiedChance=0 IncreaseDetectChanceKey=0 MaxVisibleDist=2500.0 ZBufferOffset=24.000000 <----------------------------------- FlatObject=TRUE <----------------------------------- DestroyedEffect=StructureCollapse SecondaryEffect= SecondaryChance=0 Conclusion: The problem lies definitely with the zBuffer 'management'. I've NO idea what the 'ZBufferOffset' stuff does, but increasing that number certainly helps minimizing the flickering. I've still to try out on the rest of the ground objects....altough the 'bombed towns' were the most anoying. hope this helps kind rgds gterl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
