Has anyone ever heard or seen?

[WDH 0]

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f5_27.htmlNot a very efficient aircraft because of cost and logical reasoning behind the build.RF-5E costed 50% more to build and there were only about 21 of them built.One made for USAF as a testbed,flown out of Edwards AFB back in 1979,converted back to F-5E and sold to Brazil.Saudi's made 12 and Singapore converted 8 of their own F-5E's to the RF-5E.Malaysia ordered 2 from Northrop.

Regardless,always been a "Tiger II" fan and all it's variants.Thought this would an interest for the enthusiasts alike and would make a great add-on to "our" TK series.By the way,I've still have a Revell 1/72 in the box in which was the last model ever bought by my Grandfather from 1982.Enjoy!

Edited October 12, 2008 by WDH

[kct 5]

And we aren't looking for anything else to replace them with at this moment (although the Flankers would probably fill their role in the future, who knows). Don't know how effective it is compared with the others, but for local conditions and regional surveillance they should be fine enough.

 

Funny that we became the launch customer for these guys.

[WDH 0]

I've wandered that too myself.Maybe,they prefer not to "waste" anymore funds this time and taking it slow to get a good bang out of their buck by choosing the right replacement.Then again..what do I know.

[kct 5]

No one knows...really.

 

Anyone up to create a nose mod for these guys?

[+ST0RM 145]

The Spanish and Canadians flew the RF-5As for some time. And something I didnt know until I did a quick search, the South Vietnamese AF flew them out of Bien Hoa AB.

 

Eventually, it would be a nice addition to WoV and WoE.

 

Storm

[WDH 0]

Yes that's right about the RF-5A and Spain also flew this ship.But,did you know that the Royal Norwegian Air Force flew the RF-5G?It's basically the RF-5A with different recon equipped.All recon ships still have their cannons retained.

Did you know that F-5G was the same frame as the F-20 Tigershark?How about there's only two variants that are two seaters for the USAF?That would be F-5B and F-5F not T-38 Talon,similar but,no cigar!F-5N is the Aggressor's Marines/Navy trainers and not the F-5E as it always mistaken tobe called.Their rebuilt F-5S that didn't make it to Singapore.I could go on but,just to much info on this sleek masterpiece of a work of art.Just love this aircraft because,it looks like the streamlined butterfly that graced the sky's anywhere it was deployed. :fan_1:

[kct 5]

We could ask FC, since he is working on some F-5Fs and probably the T-38 a while back.

 

Yup, here it is: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...t=0&start=0

Edited October 13, 2008 by kct

[FastCargo 412]

I've been doing a lot of research on the F-5 since I started my project...there are just a ton of variants out there, because of the amount of countries it was exported to and the length of time the aircraft has been around. The hard part has been just narrowing it down to a limited amount of models to keep the project to within manageable limits.

 

Speaking of which, the T-38s and F-5Bs have been remapped to a MUCH more logical layout and to make decals easier to use. Also, they are now based on a new 'modular' MAX file...instead of 5 separate models, there is simply one MAX file where you hide or unhide parts to get the LOD file you need. Which means though, that the skins need to be redone.

 

The F-5F and Saqheah files are unchanged, I'll be making a few minor enhancements, but nothing that changes the mapping or skins.

 

As far as the recon versions go, the specialized noses require new MAX files...if you try a nose addon, you'd get 'flashing' faces because the polygons would be so closely aligned.

 

Also, the F-20 wasn't based on the F-5G per se. The F-20 was the F-5G in the inital development phase...but was changed to the F-20 designation by Northrop as a marketing tool to show potential buyers that it was more than just a 'growth' version of the F-5 family. The F-5G designation was sometimes used for the versions of the F-5A used by Norway.

 

It's funny, the F-4 gets a lot of kudos for being around for so long and for being so widely used. But the F-5 has been around nearly as long and if anything, has been even more prolific, with unlicenced variants still being made (by Iran).

 

FastCargo

[WDH 0]

Every time I look into the F-5,there's more information tobe discovered!Amazing just how long this particular airframe keeps hanging on.I considered it the western MiG-21 for the same reason third world countries like it.It was affordable light weight fighter.Same as the F-16 in some aspects respectfully of course.Now the new A-50 Golden Eagle should somewhat fit in this category also on a lot smaller scale of production.

Challenge to experienced flight simmers;Take the F-5 any variant you want,set your flight options on hard and AI settings on hard in WOE setting.You'll find the F-5 high speed take offs and landings nerve racking to say the least.But, a real joy to fight with.In the right hands..you'll find that it can be a formable foe.True the knowledge of weapons will play a factor but,i've made plenty of kills of Su-27SK,Mig-33 and believe it or not an F-35A.Mainly due that i can catch most of the AI unaware that I was even there.Just knowing "some" aircraft's capability and you will understand why F-5 is still being produced by the Iranians.Makes for a great trainer for ACM.

KCT,thx's for the pointer!Now I can't wait for X-MAS... :smile2:Also,thank you for your interest too and value yours with others,opinions and ideas.

FastCargo,thx's for the info on F-5G.In my excitement that's what I wanted to say about.Now,got me curious for info on the AT-38B...Hmmm..another undiscovered variant for me.Feel free to feed me the info at anytime.

By the way..my hero is no other than General Chuck Yeager.Still have the F-20 Tigershark picture with him and signed.My brother is gonna kill me..sorry!

[WDH 0]

I'll be damned....an aircraft i didn't know about.

South Korea use's the A-50 Golden Eagle to train for the F-22.

[FastCargo 412]

Well, not really. SK has no F-22s and as far as I know, isn't getting any anytime soon. It was mainly to provide an advanced trainer for their pilots heading on to F-16s. SK had also looked at the T-38C as a possible trainer (a friend of mine flew the T-38s in SK as part of the test eval) but ultimately decided to build their own.

 

There are 3 variants of the airframe: The T-50, A-50, and F-50.

 

The T-50 is a trainer version, and looks roughly like a F-16, with F-18 styled intakes.

 

The A-50 is a light attack version and has A/G capability.

 

While the FA-50 is a full fighter version, with an AESA radar.

 

The USAF is actually looking at the T-50 as a replacement for the T-38C. One of our squadronmates actually went over there about a year ago to SK as part of the official USAF eval team and got to fly it. He was VERY impressed with it. He gave us a brief afterward...the thing is pretty damn amazing.

 

The real stumbling block to us buying it is the high inital cost. However, in the long run, it would be cheaper and more cost effective to operate than the T-38C fleet. But we still have to get over the initial cost.

 

FastCargo

[WDH 0]

South Korea is using this to train for F-22 originally,Now for the F-35.South Korea changes their minds on a whim.And also proposing to buy additional A-50.Since it meets their requirements now,supposedly.

[FastCargo 412]

Well, to be fair, it's an advanced trainer. Designed for transition to fighter type aircraft, not for any one specific fighter.

 

As far as SK's future fighter buys, until it's painted in SK colors and sitting on the ramp, nothing is decided. Right now, their fighter buys are based on the current F-X fighter modernization program, Phase 1 which was the purchase of 40 F-15Ks of which the last was delivered this month.

 

F-X Phase 2 initial bids were for a multi role follow on, but the F-22 was never considered, the F-35 was excluded for having incompatible timelines, Dassault and Sukhoi didn’t attend the DAPA presentation after being named as candidates, then Eurofighter pulled out, leaving Boeing as the only submission.

 

So Phase 2 will be a buy of 21more F-15Ks with different engines and some other minor modifcations to be delivered between 2010 and 2012.

 

For Phase 3, SK plans to open bidding in 2011 for 60 “5th-generation” jets under a 5.4 trillion won/ $5.4 billion program, aiming to deploy the planes between 2014 -2019. Stealth has been mentioned as an important characteristic, and the F-35 Lightning II may be the only viable candidate – unless Korea decides to produce a stealth UCAV instead.

 

F-X Phase 3 would then be followed by an indigenous KF-X (Korea Fighter – X) program to develop an indigenous 5th generation plane by 2020 and produce up to 120 of them.

 

However, from recent updates, it sounds like the KF-X probably wouldn't be built due to the expense.

 

Jeez, this thread has deviated a bit...

 

To the point - trainers for transition to a specific type of aircraft where possible...not for training to a specific aircraft. Training for a specific aircraft is done in that aircraft.

 

FastCargo

[WDH 0]

Okay,that clears it up for me about ROKAF and their purchases.You made perfect sense of subject.

FastCargo,I'm thinking that (sticking to thread) this could open up new possible training missions or I would like,campaigns for TK series where your knowledge of the correct aircraft with others could be used to checkout in before you move on to getting into combat.Besides,gives you an advantage of knowing your aircraft and adds a fun factor to the realism.Another thing,that this will be the closets some us will get to actual ACM training hence I wasn't accepted to USAF academy because of intelligence.(Hard Headed kid)

So,with your up incoming mods to F-5/T-38 would be a great place to start with this idea.Of course my imagination gets the better of me.

What is the main purpose of the NASA T-38 Talon?One of the roles was"Chase Jet" for shuttle recovery?Wasn't the T-38 used to train to pilots for a variety of aircraft?Give examples please,very interested.As always thanks for this forum and the time of everybody to responses.

[FastCargo 412]

Actually, I had been thinking about that myself. Now that Dels T-6 Texan II is out there, and eventually the T-38 and AT-38, the framework exists to make a 'USAF' intro to basic combat training.

 

The idea would be for in the T-6 to learn basics of overhead flying, close formation, and low level navigation.

 

And for the T-38, advance formation handling (Tactical type formations).

 

Finally, for the AT-38, weapons delivery and BFM, starting with one on engagements at increasing levels of difficulty (starting in maintaining perfect gun solution, then tail aspect, then 45, 90, 180). Also, defensive BFM, starting the same way and progressing in difficulty.

 

FastCargo

[WDH 0]

That's an awesome start to a curious fellow on how the training progressing thru a pilots career.

Is the T-38 training the 1st of "How it feels togo supersonic"?Wander what aircraft bomber pilots start out in?Like for instance the B-47,B-52,FB-111A and B-1.

Thanks for reply

B.A.Turley III

[+Jug 99]

Actually, I had been thinking about that myself. Now that Dels T-6 Texan II is out there, and eventually the T-38 and AT-38, the framework exists to make a 'USAF' intro to basic combat training.

 

The idea would be for in the T-6 to learn basics of overhead flying, close formation, and low level navigation.

 

And for the T-38, advance formation handling (Tactical type formations).

 

Finally, for the AT-38, weapons delivery and BFM, starting with one on engagements at increasing levels of difficulty (starting in maintaining perfect gun solution, then tail aspect, then 45, 90, 180). Also, defensive BFM, starting the same way and progressing in difficulty.

 

FastCargo

I would suggest the Pilotus or the Tucano rather than the T-6. Love the old bird too, but the PC9/Tucano was made for the job in these modern times. When the USAF went to a two part training, I thought then that it was a mistake to put the bomber drivers in with the tanker and cargo types as an accomodation to the BUFF. The BUFF drivers in our CA program must be able to move to fast movers and formation and other flying stuff. Sooner or later the BUFF will move out of the inventory and the BUFF drivers will move to the next industrial capacity mud mover. Chances are pretty good that it will be BONE-like. Mud moving is mud moving and weapons delivery is weapons delivery. Put the bomber drivers through the same course as the fighter dudes. Cargo drivers can return to Microsoft's dull flight sim world.

Edited October 14, 2008 by Jug

[FastCargo 412]

Jug,

 

Wrong T-6 my friend.

 

I'm talking about the T-6 Texan II. Totally different aircraft. Based on the PC-9.

 

Also, Bone and BUFF guys for a while were moved to the T-1 track, but were moved back to the T-38 after it was realized the carnivores reside on our side of the training shack.

 

FastCargo

[+Jug 99]

Jug,

 

Wrong T-6 my friend.

 

I'm talking about the T-6 Texan II. Totally different aircraft. Based on the PC-9.

 

Also, Bone and BUFF guys for a while were moved to the T-1 track, but were moved back to the T-38 after it was realized the carnivores reside on our side of the training shack.

 

FastCargo

Proper T-6 duly noted. I didn't know about the mud movers coming back home. It's the way it outta be! Good on 'em.

[+Typhoid 231]

Jug,

 

Wrong T-6 my friend.

 

I'm talking about the T-6 Texan II. Totally different aircraft. Based on the PC-9.

 

Also, Bone and BUFF guys for a while were moved to the T-1 track, but were moved back to the T-38 after it was realized the carnivores reside on our side of the training shack.

 

FastCargo

 

 

My daughter's fiancee flew in yesterday in that new T-6. Pretty sweet plane and nice glass cockpit.