taro8 Posted January 14, 2009 Author Posted January 14, 2009 (edited) Ok heres top view of new version of F-15 TACTICAL. Its very rough but it gives you idea what I have in mind. The gear will be similar to those in Tornado, I didnt put it there since you would need front and side view. I put it here so you can approve and point out eventual mistakes so I could fix them, after that Ill make front and side view and pass it to Jes. And heres small comparison, so you could see how this plane evolved. All credits goes to i90 for his first sketch that gave us something to work with. Edited January 14, 2009 by taro8 Quote
i90807065 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) WOAH that looks awesome! Oh, I have an idea for the F-15 Tactical, what if you added "conformed bubbles" under the wings? It would give the width needed for landing gear, as well as Tac-pacs, all while keeping the XF-15T's general size and shape. If the "conformed bubbles" thing sounds wierd, go here EDIT: After reading the wiki site, I found that these can also be used to increase the max. weapons load of the A/C Edited January 16, 2009 by i90807065 Quote
taro8 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Thats pretty good idea. It will look good since it gives this neat roundy figure. However I carefully cut XF-15T then resized middle part of fuselage and I made sure that both TAC pack AND landing gear can be stuffed under plane. Gear will be partly at sides, I didnt like that idea at first but there was no other choice and I had to limit side mounts but after resizing wings I saw that another pair of pylons can be added . As for shape it came EXACLY how I wanted it to be, BIG bad F-15, I was really surprised that it looked just like I imagined it. BTW: Is it just me or empennage is too small for TACTICAL, what do you think? XF-15T model will soon be ready for testing but we dont still know what exactly have to be done to make it work in WoE, ie. what does model needs to be successfully exported to LOD format. Groups? Bones? What about landing gear and empennage animation? If someone knows then please tell us and be descriptive. Edited January 16, 2009 by taro8 Quote
i90807065 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 If by empennage you mean tail section, yes it does seem a bit to small. Quote
taro8 Posted January 16, 2009 Author Posted January 16, 2009 Ok I corected tail section, I think it looks better now. Again: We need help with making model usuble in WoE Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 16, 2009 Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) as you can see the XF-15 model is almost finished.added landing gears,pods,new nozzles and airbrake. BE AWARE,THIS IS NOT THE F-15 TACTICAL,ITS THE XF-15T. still working on small details. BTW,the polygons still look a little weird but ill fix that Edited January 16, 2009 by lol90 Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 what the hell is wrong?! the mesh deforms.i dont want that?! why does it do that? it didnt do that when it wasnt linked to the main body. could anyone help please? Quote
+FastCargo Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Unlink all your parts, reset transform, then relink and reanimate. FC Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 thanks,but what do you mean with ''reset transform''? Quote
+FastCargo Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Save your file. Select your parts. Go to the Hieharchy tab, and look for a button that says Transform. Hit it. FC Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 19, 2009 Posted January 19, 2009 Save your file. Select your parts. Go to the Hieharchy tab, and look for a button that says Transform. Hit it. FC thanx Quote
taro8 Posted January 19, 2009 Author Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) I have bit of news, as you can see Jes is working on animation; I have written to Dels from Raptor Team to asked him for permission to use their F-22 cockpit, he allowed us to and gave advice how to make model usable in WoE. Thanks again Dels. I take that there is no more problems with current top view of TACTICAL, if not Ill start making front and side view. FastCargo, thanks for helping Jes mate. Edited January 19, 2009 by taro8 Quote
taro8 Posted January 25, 2009 Author Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Sorry for absence but I just finished my finals (last two are next week). But alas its over for now and I had finally prepared front and side view of Tactical. They are very rough (as usual ) and little boxy, but its hard to show 3D model in 2D. If you find any serious problem let me know so I can fix it before passing it to Jes. There can be slight size inconsitancy but I did my best to have everything same. Our next objective is to measure TACTICAL and XF-15. Then set basic performance and finally edit INI. Cheerio mates Edited January 25, 2009 by taro8 Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 28, 2009 Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) ****,those landing gears are really big!! anyway,the top looks great but it will be difficult to change the intakes' shape. btw any news on ini data? BTW here is new update(not very much change exept meshsmooth) animated landing gear even canopy Edited January 28, 2009 by lol90 Quote
taro8 Posted January 28, 2009 Author Posted January 28, 2009 (edited) Again, masterwork Jes. Landing gear is big I know but I made it as short as it could be. When I was doing this sketches I found myself thinking "Man this motherf***er is BIG!" As for INI: this weekend I have last two finals so I need to study but after that Ill get back to INI ASAP. And remember Jes you are the one who makes model, if you find that something looks particarly ugly feel free to change it. My (rough) sketches leave room for your own initiative (I was even surprised that there is so much place for gear). And its hard to show you how do I imagine intakes (to be honest I dont see them to clearly in my vision), when I find some time Ill put bottom sketch, maybe this will help you. Edited January 28, 2009 by taro8 Quote
JesterV2 Posted January 29, 2009 Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) And remember Jes you are the one who makes model, if you find that something looks particarly ugly feel free to change it. My (rough) sketches leave room for your own initiative (I was even surprised that there is so much place for gear). And its hard to show you how do I imagine intakes (to be honest I dont see them to clearly in my vision), when I find some time Ill put bottom sketch, maybe this will help you. well i saw there was a little bit space left for the landing gear so ill try that,ill make the gear a bit shorter and the animation wont be to hard i think.but offcourse we first need to finish the xf15. Edited January 29, 2009 by lol90 Quote
taro8 Posted January 31, 2009 Author Posted January 31, 2009 (edited) OK everybody Im after my last exams (with went pretty good) Im free to go back to working on this project. I just made calculations for both XF-15T and TAC measurements and during that I was completely astonished that planes are so damn BIG. I took normal F-15E measurements: span: 13,05 meters length: 19,4 m height: 5,63m (is this is measured from middle of fuselage, top of canopy or top of vertical stabilizer?) and took length of AMRAAM (only thing I didnt resized) with is 3.66m. After that I had to learn how to use measure in photoshop, then do calculations for both planes and heres what I got: XF-15T: length: normal F-15 length of 19,4m plus 1,92m ("antenna" in the front, what its proper name?) makes it 21,32m total length wingspan: 15,8m (5,84m for one wing) rest stays as in normal F-15 canards: angle is 19.5 lenght: 2,61M size:: 2,42M F-15T TACTICAL: Here I was dumbfounded because of its shear size length: 25,44 (27,06m with antenna) wingspan: 20,83m, 6,84m for one wing height (from top of vertical stabilizer to ground): 9,40m gear height: 3,75m (pilot should watch out when exiting cockpit ) fuselage span: 7,13m tail section span: 13,9m (more then WHOLE F-15!) TAC Pack: length: 12,5m (more them my whole HOUSE with have about 11m) size: 2,31m (one pack), 5,46m for both spaced packs height: 2,09m I think my calculation are correct, also compared to normal sizes they seem good. -------------------------- With that over we need to set basic performance for both planes, here I need feedback since Im not specialist. But should it be so big? Edited January 31, 2009 by taro8 Quote
Signum Posted February 1, 2009 Posted February 1, 2009 Hard work... good luck guys! If you need help just send PM to me, that's all... Quote
Mynameizme Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 Luke, you've lost it. That... Is not an F-15. You've made the Tac packs WAY too big. As of now, I refuse to associate myself with this butchery of the Eagle. >_> Good day, sir! Quote
i90807065 Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Luke, you've lost it. That... Is not an F-15. You've made the Tac packs WAY too big. As of now, I refuse to associate myself with this butchery of the Eagle. >_> Good day, sir! Umm whoa,whoa,whoa thats harsh and uncalled for, if you dont agree with the way things are, dont download it, but you really didnt need to get do mad over this, maybe give him some tips...something. If you are involved in this project please DO NOT LET that last post get to you I think it is still a good idea. Edited February 2, 2009 by i90807065 Quote
taro8 Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) BUAHAHAHA! Soon my loyal underling vill compleate my deviuz mashine. Zis vill be moment vhen I vill rule ze vorld! BUAHAHAHA!!!! Edited February 2, 2009 by taro8 Quote
Falcon161 Posted February 2, 2009 Posted February 2, 2009 I think this thing will be a beast! I love this take on it cause it is just going to look so cool! Quote
taro8 Posted February 2, 2009 Author Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) No need to get all fired up, Im sure that Mynameizme didint mean anything wrong and it was just good natured bickering. BUT IF NOT! It doez not matter az I vill continue vorking on my diabolical dezign, to bring most unbalanced airkraft to ze skiez of WoE and start my reign of aerial destruktion!! MAUAHAHA!!! Edited February 2, 2009 by taro8 Quote
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