T-80

[WarlordATF 1]

Is there a Russian T-80 Tank in any of the vehicle packs? I looked and didn't see one and i don't want to bother any of the modders into making one, just wondering if there is one and i missed it?

 

Thanks

[Wraith27 6]

Is there a Russian T-80 Tank in any of the vehicle packs? I looked and didn't see one and i don't want to bother any of the modders into making one, just wondering if there is one and i missed it?

 

Thanks

 

If I know the T-72 is max what we have...

[Wrench 9,847]

T-72 is stock in WoE/WoI

 

We don't have a T-80 or 90 .... anyone volenteering????

 

There's also a bunch of PRC versions of 54/55 (?)

 

Type 59

Type 62

Type 63

Type 69

 

Plus Pakso's version of the SU-85, Su-100, T-34, (and Euro reskins by me) and IIRC, RebelRyder's newer versions, and additions. Very nice stuff!!!

 

We likes our targets to blows up!!!

 

Sure could use a US Skysweeper 75mm radar guided AA gun....(hint hint)....

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Viggen 644]

Wasn't there a Type 59 availible?

[Wrench 9,847]

Wasn't there a Type 59 availible?

 

and what's the first one listed????

 

I smite you with a fish!!!

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[Viggen 644]

No what I mean is that at one point a Type 59 was availible for download here.

[Wrench 9,847]

It's (the Type 59) been on my site for the last 4 years. And, it the Pasko Desert Pak (along with all the others)

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=6120

 

Wrench

kevin stein

[+lindr2 19]

The separate model of t-80 is not needed, these tanks are very alike outwardly, but so much differs inwardly. It is related to the conflict of two leading tank factories of the USSR in 1964-1990 - Kharkoм fact & Uralvagonzavod.

Briefly history following: Лharkov won a competition on a new tank in 1963 with T-64. However much a tank had problems at the start of mass series. To fix these problems and begin serial a production was charged by Uralvagonzavod, taking advantage of situation, they FULLY REMAKE T-64 in T-72 at the maintainance of external likeness, however much not ONE SPARE PART To T-64 did not SUIT to T-72. Understanding that they were deceived, Kharkov had started the new variant of t-64 in series -> t-80 with a gas-turbine engine. Фfter disintegration of the USSR the production of t-80 almost fully remained on ukraine, however mastered a production of t-80 was in Omsk. In present time war for contracts between t-90 (new variant of t-72) and T-80um still proceeds.

Descriptions of same time generations of t-72 family & t-80 family are approximately identical, however much t-72 family has more high vitality (ammo placement, driver placement etc. in T-80 driver separated from other crew by ammo shells & practicaly no chances to escape)...

[+101tfs 4]

80b & 80u 3dsmax models :yes:

80.rar

[+Gepard 11,291]

The T-64 was the first tank of a new panzer generation. Smoothbore gun 115mm, multi layer armour (Chopham or sandwitch by western terms), autoloader etc. Developed in Charkow (Kharkow) by the same construction bureau which had already developed the very successfull T-34 and T-54. The first T-64 had massive problems with reliablility of the engine.

As a backup for the T-64 in Nishni Targil was developed the T-62. This tank was simply a stretched version of the T-55 with a 115mm smoothbore gun without autoloader.

In Charkow the problems with the T-64 were solved with a new version, T-64A. New features were a 125 mm smoothbore gun with autoloader and a new turret., the multi layer armour was increased, so that this tank was bulletproof against 105mm AT ammo of the Nato. The T-64A was introduced only in soviet troops. The weakpoint was the light weight wheels and his high production costs. Produced in ca 8000 units (all versions)

In Nishni Targil the T-64 was used as basic for the development of a mass production panzer. It got new running gear and a other diesel engine. To fit in this the chassis must be newly developed. In the new chassis the autoloader of the T-64 does not fit, so it must newly developed etc.

By the end the T-72 was heavier, but not as good protected as the T-64A. The production cost were much lower. It has been produced in over 30.000 units (all versions)

In 1977 the T-72 was shown the first time on the parade and went into export. For the soviet army the new T-72A version was introduced by this time. (355mm turret armour against 281 mm in the basic version), later the T-72B version followed (380mm turret plus ceramic elements). In mid 1980the the ERA armour was integreted, so that T-72BV were nearly invulnerable against NATO ATGM in head on engagements.

1988 a new version T-72BU was developed (450mm + ceramic + ERA turretarmour), Laser jammer, fire guidance electronic of the T-80U etc. This panzer became later the designation T-90.

The T-80 was no product of Charkow, but of a Leningrad construction bureau. Fisrt a gas turbine was implemented into a T-62, later into the T-64. New electronic, a new running gear, better armour etc made the way to the T-80 which was produced in Leningrad and Omsk.

In Charkow the T-64 was produced till 1984 as T-64BM then the further development was canceled, because the running gear was to weak for a further increasing of weight. Thatswhy the T-80 was produced also in Charkow. There was tested to replace the gas turbine with a new diesel engine. So the T-84 was developed.

Today the T-84 is produced in the Ukraine, the T-80U in Russia for export only and the T-90 for the russian army and export.

While weapon tests in India between T-90 and M1A2 Abrams the russian tank astonishingly proved as superior and was selected as the new standard panzer for the Indian Army. Pakistan instead had choosen the T-84.

 

From the outside all this tanks (T-64A/B, T-72 A/B/M, T-80 A/B,U, T-84 and T-90) looks very similar, so that i think we could use the standard T-72 model of WOE for modelling all this tanks.

[sparkomatic 7]

"smite with a fish"...that is the second best smiley-thing ever!

[+lindr2 19]

As a backup for the T-64 in Nishni Targil was developed the T-62.

 

No! T-62 fight win concurse against Object 430, and started in service in 1961

 

First Prototype of T-64 was created in 1964, it was started in service in 1967, but had too much problems with all systems, bad gears is main problem, unsolved on all T-64 versions. only in 1969 was created model, which limitedly can it was be used in army.

 

In Nishni Targil the T-64 was used as basic for the development of a mass production panzer. It got new running gear and a other diesel engine. To fit in this the chassis must be newly developed. In the new chassis the of the T-64 does not fit, so it must newly developed etc.

 

No! t-80 has t-72 gear, but T-64 autoloader. Autoloader construction was changed by L.N. Kartsev for save crew lifes. T-64 and T-80 has one movement loading system. As a result the crew of tank is surrounded a ring from shells. T-72 use 2 movement loading system, shells and cartridges placed separately at 2 levels one bottom of other at center , this loadout much more compact, and probability of detonation of ammo falls down in 5-7 times.

 

By the end the T-72 was heavier, but not as good protected as the T-64A.

 

No! T-64 use in combat one time at 1992 in Movdova Republic -TransIstria Republic conflict. 2 tanks were destroyed, they blowup after one impact of Spg-9 at one and RPG-7 at other all crew is died...

 

T-72 in Chechnia practicaly were destroyed after 6-8 impacts of RPG, one tank survive 13 impacts.

 

There was tested to replace the gas turbine with a new diesel engine. (for T-80)

Of course! after change gear, main problem of t-80 was Engine, He broke constantly, consumed the enormous amount of fuel, at the temperature of air higher 30'C his power fallen on 27-35%. In mountains he could not move in general...

[Lt. James Cater 62]

Try this......

 

www.enemyforces.net/tanks/t64.htm

 

That might clear things up a bit.

 

A few things to note. The early model was given the rather frightful nickname of "The steel grave" by it's crews and the main gun, while powerful was also inaccurate at range.

[+Gepard 11,291]

Lindr

i included the links to 3 drawings.

 

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/T-80/T-80U.gif

 

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/T-72/T-72B.gif

 

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/T-64/T-64BV_1.gif

 

You will see, that the running gears of T-64, T-72 and T-80 are completly different. A look on the running gear is a clear indicator for the panzer type.

 

The autoloader of the T-64 simply not fitted into the T-72 chassis. If you look on the running gear of T-64 and T-72 you will see that the T-72 has broader tracks. Because the tanks had a definite max wide (related to the railway transport) the chassis of the T-72 had to be smaller and in the smaller chassis the T-64 joint autoloader does not fit. Thatswhy the casette autoloader of the T-72 was developed.

 

The T-64 genesis

The T-64 development started in 1954 with Object 430 (100mm smoothbore gun, 35,5 tons). (In 1960 in Nishni Targil Object 166 was developed as backup because Object 430 had to slow development progress. Preparation for serial production of Obj.166 in 1961, entered service in 1962 as T-62.)

1961 in Charkow Object 432 (115mm smoothbore gun, 36,7 tons) was developed. Shown the first time in 1962 at Kubinka weapon display. Prototyp in 1963, entered service in very small numbers in 1964 as T-64.

Further development to object 434 (125mm gun, 37,3 tons), Prototype in 1964 entered service in 1967 as T-64A.

1974 object 447 (125mm gun, capable to fire gun launched guided missiles, 39 tons), entered service in 1974 as T-64B. Modified in 1983 with ERA armour (42,4 tons) as T-64BV, later to T-64BM modernised.

 

 

The first T-72 version (41 tons) was definetly worser protected than the T-64A (37.3 tons). The iraqis used in 1991 mostly the basic T-72 in combat and we all know how this ended.

The T-72 lacked the multi layer armour on the turret and had a thinner armour.

With the T-72A version with increased armour thickness and included ceramic layers in the turret the T-72 reached the protection level of the T-64B. Live firing tests of east german T-72M1 (export version 43.5 tons) showed in 1991 that this panzers were bullet proof against 105mm NATO tank guns and ATGM warheads in head on duell situations and normal combat distances. With the T-72B (44.5 tons) the T-72 got a superior protection level against the T-64 and the T-80 as the war in Chechenya showed. The last conflict in Georgia showed also the superiority of the russian T-72BM over the polish PT-91 (polish T-72M1 mod).

 

One of my major source is the book "Kampfpanzer heute und morgen" by Rolf Hilmes

 

And finaly a link to a T-64 site, made by a former T-64 tankist

 

http://www.t-64.de/frame-start.htm

Edited October 23, 2008 by Gepard

[+ghostrider883 526]

While weapon tests in India between T-90 and M1A2 Abrams the russian tank astonishingly proved as superior .

 

When did that happen? . No way US would have let M1A2 to be sold to India at the time when T-90S was selected for the IA., let alone sending it to India for tests.

Yeah, the Army really likes the T-90S MBT and it was selected by India for license production while simultaneously upgrading T-72 to T-72M1 "Ajeya" standards. While the Arjun MBT was supposed to form the backbone of the Army for Armoured Regiments, delays & cost overrruns have almost killed the Arjun MBT. Now the Army is looking at the proposed next gen Russian T-95 tank development.

[+lindr2 19]

Man, i don't need your links, i read some monography about t-64,t-72 from it's creators. Your everytime speek OFICIAL version, but REAL situation is following: Not a single modification of t-64 is suitable for battle actions. T-64 was pure psyhological weapon. The amount of breakages of T-64 exceeded all reasonable limits. T-64 never exported. when new tanks started is service USSR always sold old. But not T-64! why? be cause is useless. In early 90 Ukraine try sold T-64 at minical cost - no result.

About Iraqi armor: in 1991 main iraqi tanks is T-55 & t-62, some T-59 and t-69 was added. T-72 was present on the armament of elite units in negligible quantities. It's there was export modification with the barrels of cannons 4- categories (has 1-st, 3-rd, 4, 5 categories for 125mm 1 - for USSR, 3- for WP & India, 4 - for others, 5 - is GARBAGE). Newest 125mm ammo sold to Iraq was 1973 year model shells, what solded for cleaning storages for unusal things. Others equpement also was outdated.

Of course T-80 have another gear that T-64 because T-64 gear is unusual. When was created t-72 to the Kharkov factory it was ordered to master his issue instead of unsuccessful t-64. It was very abusive for them. Only T-64 with a new pendant and gas-turbine engine could rescue them.

As a result of intrigues and corruption in 1976 was accepted on the service of T-80 - tank with the failed to complete engine, t-80 gear is more difficult and low quality by a pendant what at t-72. T-80 has Automat loading, guaranteing death to all crew in the case of penetrating of armor.

T-72 family (included T-90) is unique efficient Russian tanks. This is TRUE. T-80 with disel engine can fight with becase they have same guns, and some version T-80 have moregood electronic system that t-72 producted in same time - result of T-72 but vitality T-80 is much lower. It confirms the statistic of chechen war.

 

28.12.94 Hankala

 

T-80BV take one impact in ATGM and get on fire,2 crew escaped before ammo detonation, commander died, driver heavy wonded...

 

31.12. 94 Grozny

 

11.00 tank column with 5 T-80 atacked with RPG and blow-up all crew died, 3 others try ecsape but 2 also destroyed, one bmp-2 was destroyed also, only 4 mens (include BMP-2 descent ) from 5 destroyed venicles was survived.

 

~ 12.00 one T-72A take some impact at RPG commander was wonded, but tank survived.

 

in 12.45 T-72b1(N414) take some impact from MT-12 AT-gun, t-72 crew can ecsape but continued fight on burning tank for defend BMP's tank blowup in some time...

 

~ 13.00 T-72B1(N410) destroeyd MT-12 but take some impact from RPG, tank survive this and retreat, no crew casualties.

 

~ 20.00 one RPG impact immobilised T-80BV, tank was destroyed to prevent capture.

 

at end of 31.12 2 remaining T-80BV from 81-th Guards Motorifle regiment arrived to "president palace", most crew wa wondered survived crews said "it was abmush with d-30 AT guns all other tanks lost...

 

1.01.95

 

~ 2.00 T-72A (N534) was lost from heavy RPG fire, crew escaped...

T72A (N533) take 5 RPG impact on engine, crew escaped...

one T-80BV from 2 remaining T-80BV from 81-th Guards Motorifle take one impact on engine and burned up, crew escaped

 

~ 4.00 one T-80 take impact bottom of turret tank blow up all crews died.

 

~ 8.00 2 T-72B1 (N418 & N439) take some RPG impacts, one tank destroyed, crew escaped , other tank survived.

 

Etc...

 

Must of survived enemy fire T-72 has 7-12 impact, but tanks were repaired...

 

in example: T-72b1 (N221) 276-th MR Reg.

16.01.95 2 armor penetrations from RPG, repaired

21.01.95 5 impacts 1- on right side, 2nd, 3rd & 4 in left side, 5 in turret -> Repaired!!!

 

T-72b1 (N510) 133th Guards Tank Bat - 8 impacts -3 at 28.12.94 and 5 in janvary 1995 -> Repaired!!! and used to 1996 year.

 

at 15 Febr in Grozny lost:

 

276th Reg - 7 T-72B1; 81th - 18 T-80BV; 133th - 12 T-80BV; 324th - 4 T-72B1, 255th - 1 T-72A; 131th -17 T-72A, 74th - 4 T-72B, 245th - 11 T-80(B?)

 

At period 31.12.94 - 1.04.95 Russian Army lost in Grozny: 1426 men KIA, 4630 Wounded, 96 MIA.

 

RIP HEROES !!!