AGM-12 Bullpup: How to use?

[+eburger68]

Hi All:

 

This weapon has me stumped -- I am baffled as to how to use it. Every time I select a ground target and fire a Bullpup at it the missile simply plows into the ground well short or well long of the target. If I manage to hit anything, it is solely by accident. The mission log states "Capt Pilot fired AGM-12 Bullpup at (unknown)," which seems to suggest that I haven't properly selected the target.

 

Could anyone provide some tips on how to use this weapon?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric L. Howes

[Lt. James Cater]

I've never used this weapon but trust me, historically speaking, your life expectancy is short using a Bullpup anywhere near serious defenses.

[dsawan]

Try from a range greater then 5 miles or 5-9 and see if it heads to target. If you ara too close like 3 miles or so, it goes into ground.

[MigBuster]

haha - With the real thing you had to go into a "low powered glide" at about 20,000ft then guide the thing down with a little joystick - while doing this you were a sitting duck.

 

best advice with this one is take 10 x Mk117s instead :)

[+lindr2]

Hi All:

 

This weapon has me stumped -- I am baffled as to how to use it. Every time I select a ground target and fire a Bullpup at it the missile simply plows into the ground well short or well long of the target. If I manage to hit anything, it is solely by accident. The mission log states "Capt Pilot fired AGM-12 Bullpup at (unknown)," which seems to suggest that I haven't properly selected the target.

 

Could anyone provide some tips on how to use this weapon?

 

Thanks,

 

Eric L. Howes

 

Try nuclear version - AGM-12D, right?

 

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[+eburger68]

Folks:

 

Thanks for the replies. I understand that the Bullpup had a number of problems and was not a favorite among pilots. Nonetheless, several missions in YAP1 (and, presumably, forthcoming missions in YAP2) use the Bullpup, so I'd like to get a handle on it.

 

I've now tried firing the missile from higher altitudes and greater ranges from the target -- same problem as before. It plows into the ground without tracking to the target, and the mission log reports I fired the missile at "(unknown)."

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's something else I need to do to select the target so that the missile recognizes it. Any ideas?

 

FWIW, I've been testing with the YAP F-100D, but I've seen the same results in the F-105D.

 

Thanks,

 

Eric L. Howes

Edited March 14, 2009 by eburger68

[+eburger68]

Folks:

 

Quick followup: in my testing AI pilots don't have much more success with the Bullpup than I do, but they do seem to be able to select targets. Mission log reports their attempts with the missile as: "Lt. Rasimus fired AGM-12 Bullpup at Bridge End," and so forth, not "(unknown)" which is what I get.

 

Eric L. Howes

Edited March 14, 2009 by eburger68

[+FLOGGER23]

Well, based in which i've read about the weapon was not too useful (if any), but in my experience, i've never failed with it shooting from 8 to 10 miles at 8000 to 10.000 feet, so, i don't know if it will help you; Just load it, aim it and fire it.............

[Silverbolt]

step one: put yout aircraft in the target line

 

Step two: close your eyes

 

Step three: Pull the trigger

[+eburger68]

Silverbolt:

 

Thanks, but those are exactly the procedures that I've been using from various altitudes and distances from the target, all with no success.

 

FWIW, I did finally get it working. I changed the "Weapons" difficulty in Gameplay Options from Hard to Normal -- magically, the Bullpup now behaves as expected, tracking to the target instead of plowing into the ground as if completely unguided.

 

Best,

 

Eric L. Howes