RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 28, 2009 Well since you are keeping a chicken eye open for 'em Rickitycrate... DING DING DING !!! WILD CARD PHOTO ! The first to correctly identify the aircraft shown disassembled and sitting on the rail car, it's landplane counterpart, (ah, there's a clue), and the year it went into war service will be awarded 2 bonus points. You must be spot on with all answers to win. Good Luck! . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster89 0 Posted September 28, 2009 Well, Im gonna jump in and take a stab at this one and say its a Rumpler 6B1, entered service in the summer of 1916 and was the seaplane version of the Rumpler C.I. It was used to protect German naval bases from air attacks. And thats all I really know about it. -Rooster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 28, 2009 (edited) I'm out of the running for first but fighting for 3rd. So here's my best guess. Rumpler 6B-1 Seaplane. The land version is the Rumpler C-1. The 6B-1 aircraft nos. 787 and 789 entered sevice July 1916. Hmm, seems that rascally Rooster beat me to the draw, hehe. If we're right, good goin' for you Rooster. Edited September 28, 2009 by Rickitycrate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 28, 2009 Outstanding Rooster89 and Rickitycrate, I really thought this one would be harder than that. Shows what I know. I do know this: Rickitycrate, your timing today has been doing you no favors at all. Your planets must be waaaay out of alignment. We have a new contestant on the board with his first 2 points. Congrats Rooster89. And the standings after this Wild Card photo are now: Olham, 28 points Dej, 21 points Red-Dog, 20 points Rickitycrate, 20 points Bullethead, 5 points Duce Lewis, 5 points Luftace, 5 points Burning Beard, 4 points Check Six, 2 points rhythalion, 2 points Rooster89, 2 points JohnGresham, 1 point Shrikehawk, 1 point TonyO, 1 point zoomzoom, 1 point Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster89 0 Posted September 28, 2009 Thanks guys, wish I got on the board earlier in the game, since its just about wrapped up now, but this is the first one I caught that wasn't answered already. -Rooster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 28, 2009 Rickitycrate, there are days, sometimes whole weeks, where you can't get anything right. What a nice chance this could have been, as you got the answer very quick. But you flew into the burst of Rooster so to say - beaten by only 4 minutes. Life over Flanders fields is really tough! But I wouldn't be asthonished, if Lou would make another competition in some future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 28, 2009 DING DING DING !!! WILD CARD PHOTO ! The first to correctly identify the item shown in the picture and the aircraft type it was first used in production service on will be awarded 2 bonus points. You must be spot on with both answers to win. Good Luck! . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoomzoom 2 Posted September 28, 2009 Hey, what do you know....I'm here and nobody's answered in .03 seconds. Too bad I can't make out what the snap crackle pop that even is!!!! So I'll guess. Its an automated ie..(timed or synchronised) bomb dropper device. And its mount: A Gotha, twin engined bomber. I don't care if I'm right anymore....I'm first!!!! ZZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 28, 2009 This one is a total guess, as I can't enlarge the picture. It could be the synchroniser gear, first used, but not really invented by Anthony Fokker. Fokker had found a patent for some gear, which was for another purpose, but he was a clever man and found it useful to interrupt the machine gun fire, when shooting through the propellor circle. I think, it was first used in the Eindecker Fokker E III. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 28, 2009 hee, hee...you're funny zoomzoom. Not remotely close to the correct answer, but funny. Olham, it is not the synchronizer gear as used by Fokker, nor was this item first used on the EIII. Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster89 0 Posted September 28, 2009 Believe thats a Constantinesco Fire Control Gear, invented by George Constantinesco when the R.F.C. was looking for a better synchronizer gear than Fokkers. The first plane to be fitted with it was a B.E.2c in 1916 and the first plane to go into service with the gear already installed were D.H.4s. Source: George Constantinesco His Torque Converter and Other Inventions by Ian Constantinesco -Rooster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red-Dog 3 Posted September 29, 2009 Well done rooster how you knew that is amazing here's a link with more info if anyone's interested.http://fluid.power.net/fpn/const/const003.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 29, 2009 Well done, Rooster, congrats! Any next competition, when you take part right from the beginning, we "may have to dress warm!" (A German saying). I'm a little proud too, cause I was closer than I knew. But I typed "synchroniser" and "synchronizer" into my search and didn't get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 29, 2009 There you go Rooster, as is obvious from the link posted by Red-Dog you are correct Sir. The pic was of the trigger motor for the C.C. Gear system. Well done Sir and two more points for you. Here are the standings after the last Wild Card photo: Olham, 28 points Dej, 21 points Red-Dog, 20 points Rickitycrate, 20 points Bullethead, 5 points Duce Lewis, 5 points Luftace, 5 points Burning Beard, 4 points Rooster89, 4 points Check Six, 2 points rhythalion, 2 points JohnGresham, 1 point Shrikehawk, 1 point TonyO, 1 point zoomzoom, 1 point The final set, yes the FINAL set, of photos will be posted soon, so be watchful. Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red-Dog 3 Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) I thought it was some sort of flame thrower, then i thought 'No'the crate would catch fire,but after googling i found out the Germans had fitted flame throwers to some of it,s ground attack aircraft. See even if you don't come up with the goods you always learn something new.Thanks Lou for expanding my knowledge of WW1 aviation.. Edited September 29, 2009 by Red-Dog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 29, 2009 . My pleasure Red-Dog. This has been a learning experience for me as well, as are most things it seems. Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoomzoom 2 Posted September 29, 2009 Well done! ZZ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 29, 2009 . Well folks, believe it or not the time has come for the last set of photos in this battle of knowledge and wits. Therefore, without further ado... The final begins now. This has been lot's of fun everyone, and so for the last go, Let's play What's My Plane! . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Pic # 48 is the D.F.W. Dr I Photographed at Aldershof in January 1918, at the first D types Competition, this was triplane variant of the D I, which stands behind it. Engine, 160 h.p. Mercedes DIII. Armament, twin Spandau machine guns. Edited September 29, 2009 by Rickitycrate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 29, 2009 No. 48: Aviatik-Berg Dr.I The Aviatik D.I, was a single-engine, single-seater fighter biplane. It was also known as Berg D.I or the Berg Fighter because it was designed by Dipl. Ing. Julius von Berg. The D.I was the first indigenously designed fighter aircraft of the Austro-Hungarian Air Service (Luftfahrtruppen). Development Work on the prototype began in August 1916, while the first flight of the Aviatik D.I prototype, marked 30.14, took place at 16 October 1916 at Aspern, unfortunately killing the test pilot. Further modifications were made, and three more prototypes of the Aviatik D.I were manufactured, labeled 30.19 (for tests on the ground), 30.20 (for tests in flight) and 30.21 (as a reserve airframe). These prototypes differed from the production aircraft in having a single unsynchronized Schwarzlose machine gun above the top wing, firing over the propeller. Tests of the modified aircraft were positive and the first unit to receive the first serial batch (with two synchronized Schwarzloses, one on each side of the cylider block) of the Aviatik D.I was Fluggeschwader I (FLG I, later to be renamed to Flik 101G) on the Divacca airfield in Italy. Operational service In many respects, the D.I was a good combat aircraft. It was reasonably fast, had excellent flying characteristics and maneuverability, and could reach higher altitudes than most of its adversaries. In addition, it was provided with a roomy and comfortable cockpit which gave a good field of view. Despite those desirable features, the new Aviatik fighter wasn't greeted with enthusiasm when it entered service in autumn 1917, as the type also had some serious defects which didn't endear it to its pilots. The early aircraft had structural deficiencies and their machine guns were installed beyond the reach of the pilot; if the gun(s) jammed, there was nothing he could do about it. These problems were later rectified with the strengthening of the airframe and the repositioning of the guns, but the main cause of complaints was the engine's tendency to overheat far too easily. To alleviate the cooling problems, operational units tended to fly their aircraft without the engine's top panels and sometimes also the side panels were left off. The Austro-Hungarian aviation units used the D.I widely until the end of World War I on Eastern, Italian and Balkan fronts, mainly as an escort fighter for the 2-seater reconnaissance aircraft, as the most fighter units preferred the Albatros D.III in air superiority role. Variants The D.II was a version of the D.I with a cantilever lower wing. The model went into production in late 1918 in two Series (39 and 339), but the production aircraft were too late for operational service. The D.III high-altitude version with a 230 hp Hiero engine and the Dr.I triplane development remained as prototypes only. Technische Daten [bearbeiten] Berg Dr.I nur Versuch 1917 6-Zyl.Reihenmotor, flüssigkeitsgekühlt Hiero Austro-Daimler Leistung 147 kw (200 PS) Spannweite7,22 m Länge 6,86 m Höhe 2,75 m Flügelfläche 22,50 m² Leergewicht 620 kg Startgewicht 862 kg Höchstgeschwindigkeit 195 km/h in NN Steiggeschwindigkeit auf 1.000 m 1 Min 40 Sek Steiggeschwindigkeit auf 2.000 m 4 Min 10 Sek Bewaffnung 2 MG Besatzung 1 Flugdauer 2 h 30 min Had the techn. data in German only. WIKIPEDIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted September 29, 2009 Good grief, Rickity, when you write such detail, you seem to know better. And at second looks, mine looks a bit different. But where in the world did you find that? I searched high and low for DFW Dr.I now, but nothing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickitycrate 10 Posted September 29, 2009 I have a most wonderful book that any good German WWI fanatic should have in his/her library. This book is full of fantasies for a virtual WWI pilot. German Aircraft of the First World War authors Peter Gray and Owen Thetford, ISBN 0-85177-809-7. Over 500 aircraft are described and illustrated. They range from the A.E.G. two-seaters and bombers to the Zeppelin Staaken 'R' types in the main section and, in the Appendices, from the A.E.G. B I to the little known Zeppelin Staaken seaplanes of the German Navy. There are some wonderfully aggresive looking fighters that were designed but not chosen for production. Seeing them in this book makes you wonder how they would handle and how well you you might do in an OFF campaign with them. So there you have one of my secret weapons in this contest. Get yourself a copy for the next competition but get youself a copy by all means. It was published by Putnam in the U.K and may be expensive but it is a real prize. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoomzoom 2 Posted September 29, 2009 Ok....a guess on number 47. The A.E.G. J.I was essentially a C.IV with an armoured fuselage and a 200 hp Benz Bz IV engine instead of the 160 hp Mercedes D III. Two Spandau guns were fixed to fire downwards, and the observer had a single Parabellum to defend the rear. This picture seems to me to be the armored ground attack variant of the AEG J1. [edit] Design and development AEG J.I featured armour protection for the pilot and for the more powerful engine that was fitted to the heavier aircraft. Two 7.92 mm (.312 in) LMG 08/15 machine guns were fitted to the floor of the observer's cockpit for ground targets. One 7.92 mm (.312 in) Parabellum MG14 machine gun was provided in the typical rear-facing defensive position. Finally, armor plating was added around the engine and cockpits. The J.Ia version featured aileron controls on the lower wings, in addition to the upper. Operators Germany Specifications (AEG J.I) Data from German Aircraft of the First World War[1] General characteristics Crew: Two Length: 7.20 m (23 ft 7½ in) Wingspan: 13.46 m (44 ft 2 in) Height: 3.35 m (10 ft 11⅞ in) Wing area: 33.2 m² (358 ft²) Empty weight: 1,455 kg (3,201 lb) Loaded weight: 1,740 kg (3,828 lb) Powerplant: 1× Benz Bz.IV 6 cylinder water-cooled inline engine, 149 kW (200 hp) Performance Maximum speed: 150 km/h (82 kn, 93 mph) Range: 375 km (203 nm, 234 mi) Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,760 ft) Rate of climb: 0.854 m/s (551 ft/min) Wing loading: 52.4 kg/m² (10.7 lb/ft²) Power/mass: 0.171 kW/kg (0.104 hp/lb) Endurance: 2.5 hrs Armament 2 × 7.92 mm (.312 in) fixed, downwards firing LMG 08/15 machine guns 1 × 7.92 mm I think there was another armored type that looked similar as well, but thisis my guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted September 29, 2009 Rickitycrate, you are correct Sir, #48 is the DFW DR.1, which means unfortunately that Olham is not. BTW, great reference book you've noted there. Well done. zoomzoom, yes indeed, #47 is the J.1 with the Blitzen-Benz engine and armoured fuselage. My sources note this paritcular plane as a Junkers build rather than an A.E.G., but I'm not splitting that hair at this point in the game. Well done Sir. Two left folks. Who's going to nab them? Cheers! Lou Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
