17 hour life expectancy? Not for the German pilots

[angles1100 0]

Olham

 

This is a game and should be treated as such . You do yourself a great disservice by attempting to suger coat history .

 

cheers

 

 

[Ras 0]

Olham

 

This is a game and should be treated as such . You do yourself a great disservice by attempting to suger coat history .

 

cheers

 

 

 

I think ...No.let me rephrase that......I know that Olham has done nothing but honour the men and the history of this sim (game you would call it) by his contributions, knowledge, and respect of the real time and the simulation itself.

[Von Paulus 8]

I doubt that there was a deliberate atempt from Olham to sugar coat history, like you've said, angles1100.

Even if I can't fully agree with his statement, still part of the decision to surrender was political and not military; even when in pure military terms, Germany couldn't last long.

But I agree with Olham, when he refers to the concept of bad side and good side (though I don't think that was the catfish intention). It's too black and white. Life and politics are never like that.

 

I think ...No.let me rephrase that......I know that Olham has done nothing but honour the men and the history of this sim (game you would call it) by his contributions, knowledge, and respect of the real time and the simulation itself.

Exactly.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Von Paulus

[catch 81]

Word of the day is "pampered". Perhaps a poor choice but the meaning was meant to convey the German fliers had it easier in general when compared with the Allied flyers for the best part of the war. Things changed drastically in 1918 of course and Germany became a shambles where all notions of quality in manufacturing, materials and flight training went out the window from 4 years of constant allied attrition. By then it was far too late for Germany (who had one last hurrah in March using freed up troops from the Russian front for a major push ... but failed) which had effectively lost the war yet arrogantly hung on until the armistice was negotiated thus killing a few more million people on both sides. This despite knowing the yanks were coming to bolster up the allied reserves even more. I don't know if that's arrogance or stupidity actually.

 

I don't have issue with anyone's comments. It's free world here {when OvS isn't watching lol} and we are all free to discuss our personal opinions on the Great War.

[Olham 164]

It was not my intention to "sugar coat" history.

I am not, like many of you here, a WW1 history buff; I actually know rather little

about the details of the air forces yet, for example.

 

So I was really surprised about the numbers given in "The Aerodrome";

this was a different picture than the "17 hours scenario" I had believed it was before.

I saw, that the German air force must have operated very clever, very caring for each other,

and very effective, when these numbers were true (which I don't doubt, as "The Aerodrome"

seems to be THE website about WW1 air combat).

I felt a deep respect for their achievement, for the way they did their duty, knowing from today's

position, that they fought a war they could not win in the end.

 

The word "arrogance" disturbs me in this context. If there was big arrogance, then it was rather

present in the higher command and political structure. On either side.

French commanders for example have sent whole batallions to storm positions, which were not

holdable for long, and sent them into their deaths for nothing gained. That is arrogant.

And the nobles, the Kings and the Kaiser, were all of the same arrogance, here as there.

 

The pilots in the field had their little arrogances, as they are rather human. When Udet wrote

"Du doch nicht! (Not you!)" on the tail of his plane, that was average arrogance. (And in his book,

Udet was later very aware, after being shot down in this plane, that he had been pretty arrogant

with these words).

 

The German soldiers and pilots at the front fought a war, like as if one Kung Fu fighter had to fight

against a hundred opponents. He may be as good as he can do, but they can sleep in turns and fight

him for days if they must, and in the end he must fall, due to exhaustion.

But I would have a deep respect for his fight.

[ConradB 0]

Up until the last year or the last summer of the war, the German pilots were some of the best trained in the world. If not the best. To offset the lack of training was the introduction of the DVII. A mediocre pilot could use it to great advantage with it's great overall performance. But the man behind the stick is the always the deciding factor.

Edited February 25, 2010 by ConradB

[Guest British_eh]

Hi there,

 

Bletchley and the rest of you have has some good info, and somewhere I have a reference book on the British Pilots for the War. Yes, the 17 hour, two week stint at the Front was for a limited time, in a limited area. Studies done for the British Parliament concluded some 6 weeks expectancy for a Scout pilot, and 10 weeks for a Bomber pilot, in the months leading up to January 1917.

 

It would be nice if we could scale OFF through the settings, to emulate these survival times, and is a project that I look to pursue.

 

Also, the idea of a Standard that would compliment the DiD Standard, but perhaps have a different parameters, and a host of settings so that Newbies can have fun too.

 

Cheers,

 

British_eh

 

 

[Olham 164]

British_eh, the 'DiD Standard' was worked out by Siggi, with the assistance of other pilots.

It can be found above in the 'Stickies'.

The standard is more or less the same as in the "Krauts vs Crumpets" Campaign.

If you want to check it there, go here:

 

http://www.hetzer.talktalk.net/

 

Click on the roundel; then on all the pictures there - you'll find it.

 

What is really missing yet (or I haven't found it), would be a "Beginner's guide to OFF", or a

"rookie set up" for the sim, were all workshop settings and inflight aids are getting explained.

[Guest British_eh]

Yes Olham, Tips and Cheats, ihas some stuff, and htis is part of what I want to work towards. Yes, although I haven't flown K vs K in a while, I know the DiD standard all to well, and the reason for my looking to create some other parameters by which to fly by, for all.

 

Cheers,

 

British_eh

[Olham 164]

What kind of other parameters do you mean? What is it, that you would like to change in Full DiD?

I still don't get your point. There are lots of various aids and stuff the real life pilot didn't have.

So I can only see one "full realism" standard, which would mean "all aids and crutches switched off";

and the rest is an individual set up each player will do as he likes.

 

Perhaps you can describe, where you want to get? Do you find "Full DiD" still not realistic enough?

[Bletchley 8]

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Edited February 28, 2010 by Bletchley