Nieuport 16 in HiTR 1.47

[mattux]

Hello All,

 

first of all, really great addon this must be the best thing ever happend to CFS3.

 

Now my problem:

I'm currently flying the Nieuport 16 in Esc 67 in June 1916. But the plane has strong

nose down tendency, even if the elevator trim set to 100% upwards. Also it needs constant

high power settings to mantain altitude. Yes, I know WWI planes weren't as easy to fly

as modern or WW2 planes, but the Nieuport 11 or Nieuport 17 don't show this behaviour.

 

I just would like to know if I do something wrong here, because at the current state

the Nieuport 16 is more or less unflyable.

 

Ahh, and I'm using the saitek x52pro and saitek rudder rudder panels.

 

I will throw in a round of beers for everyone who can help me out here :-D.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Matthias

 

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There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are very few old & bold pilots.

[Winston DoRight]

Yes, there's definately a problem with the Nieuport 16's flight model. I tried it ONCE in multiplayer and it requires almost 90% backstick just to keep it level. Needless to say that doesn't give you much movement for maneuvering. I decided not to report it as the the chance of a fix would be slim to none, the Devs having moved on to P4.

[mattux]

Hello Guys,

 

thanks for your answers.

 

I've investigated this a bit further. When I just install BH&H 1.0 (Phase 3) without the super patch

the behaviour is normal but after applying the super patch, the nieuport 16 needs strong elevator input

to fly straight and level. As far as I can tell only the nieuport 16 is afffected by this.

 

I wonder if anyone can thing of a workaround for this (besides not flying the plane, of course).

 

greetings

 

Matthias

[mattux]

Hi,

 

I found a solution to the problem. Well, it's not really a sollution

it's more of a bandaid but it seems to work quite well.

 

Simply set the "elevator_trim_effectiveness" in the aircraft.cfg file

to something like 4.0. As I said that's not really a solution, but

it alleviates the problem a little.

 

cheers

 

Matthias

[mattux]

The reason I would like to fly the 16 is that I started with my pilot(s) in March/April 1916 with the

Nieuport 11. And now I'm finally in June and would simply like to go on with the next plane of Esc 67.

 

I didn't want to recommend messing with the aircraft config files.

 

Matthias

[Ryan H]

Hey guys, just to shed some light on this issue:

 

I believe this is intentional by the devs. If you do some research on the N16 you will find that they equipped it with a larger motor and a larger MG causing the craft to become quite nose-heavy. This was fixed in the N17. The N16 was basicaly a N11 with a new engine and a new MG, so if you take a perfectly balanced design and add weight to the front... well, you do the math

 

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Nieuport_16

Edited May 19, 2010 by Ryan H

[+Polovski]

Yep as per Wiki (oddly accurate :))

 

"the combined effect of the heavier 9J engine and the heavier Vickers gun compromised maneuverability[4] and made the craft decidedly nose-heavy"

 

I think we can say that's true in OFF. I love it when a plan comes together.

We aren't perfect but there's a lot more in there than you think :D