tomas22 Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 Hy guys! I can't use Apex A nor Apex C radar guided missiles in Mig-23MF . However, Heat seeking apex B and D are available. Do you have any idea about how to solve it?? Many thanks.... Tomas Quote
Stick Posted April 17, 2011 Posted April 17, 2011 In the MiG-23MF data ini, check to see whether these match. If they do then you would also have to check the weapon data.ini. Overwrite only if you find a discrepancy-please save the two files before tinkering with them!!!Then run the weapons editor, and save as prompted. On an aside, I don't like the Apex very much-requires a lot of psychic power to score a hit!Oh and I'm using the MF weapons pack-just to be certain that you have the correct model references with the data given below. [LeftApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 SpecificStationCode=AA7 [RightApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 SpecificStationCode=AA7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------x [WeaponData137] TypeName=AA-7A FullName=R-23R AA-7 Apex-A ModelName=AA-7A Mass=223.000000 Diameter=0.190000 Length=4.060000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.583000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.702000 AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET SpecificStationCode=AA7 NationName=Soviet StartYear=1972 EndYear=1997 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=2 Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1972 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=1 WeaponDataType=1 RailLaunched=FALSE RocketPod=FALSE Retarded=FALSE FinStabilized=TRUE SpinStabilized=FALSE HasGrowl=FALSE EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects ReleaseDelay=1.000000 WarheadType=0 Explosives=25.000000 FusingDistance=2.000000 ClusterBomblets=0 ClusterDispersion=0.000000 GuidanceType=12 Accuracy=50 MaxTurnRate=15.000000 MaxLaunchG=4.000000 LockonChance=70 LaunchReliability=65 ArmingTime=2.000000 SeekerFOV=5.000000 SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000 SeekerTrackRate=12.000000 SeekerRange=25000.000000 MinLaunchRange=2000.000000 MaxLaunchRange=35000.000000 Duration=75.000000 CounterCountermeasure=70.000000 NoiseRejection=30.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x00000000 LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=26.804001 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=2.800000 BoosterAccel=18.000000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=0.000000 SustainerAccel=0.000000 SustainerEffectName= SustainerSoundName= SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 [WeaponData138] TypeName=AA-7B FullName=R-23T AA-7 Apex-B ModelName=AA-7B Mass=217.000000 Diameter=0.190000 Length=3.940000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.583000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.817000 AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET SpecificStationCode=AA7 NationName=Soviet StartYear=1972 EndYear=1997 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=2 Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1972 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=1 WeaponDataType=1 RailLaunched=FALSE RocketPod=FALSE Retarded=FALSE FinStabilized=TRUE SpinStabilized=FALSE HasGrowl=FALSE EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects ReleaseDelay=1.000000 WarheadType=0 Explosives=25.000000 FusingDistance=2.000000 ClusterBomblets=0 ClusterDispersion=0.000000 GuidanceType=10 Accuracy=70 MaxTurnRate=15.000000 MaxLaunchG=4.000000 LockonChance=70 LaunchReliability=65 ArmingTime=2.000000 SeekerFOV=5.000000 SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000 SeekerTrackRate=12.000000 SeekerRange=11000.000000 MinLaunchRange=1300.000000 MaxLaunchRange=11000.000000 Duration=35.000000 CounterCountermeasure=70.000000 NoiseRejection=40.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x00000280 LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=26.804001 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=2.800000 BoosterAccel=18.000000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=0.000000 SustainerAccel=0.000000 SustainerEffectName= SustainerSoundName= SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 [WeaponData139] TypeName=AA-7C FullName=R-24R AA-7 Apex-C ModelName=AA-7C Mass=250.000000 Diameter=0.230000 Length=4.300000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.588000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.642000 AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET SpecificStationCode=AA7 NationName=Soviet StartYear=1978 EndYear=0 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=2 Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1978 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=2 WeaponDataType=1 RailLaunched=FALSE RocketPod=FALSE Retarded=FALSE FinStabilized=TRUE SpinStabilized=FALSE HasGrowl=FALSE EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects ReleaseDelay=1.000000 WarheadType=0 Explosives=35.000000 FusingDistance=2.000000 ClusterBomblets=0 ClusterDispersion=0.000000 GuidanceType=12 Accuracy=60 MaxTurnRate=15.000000 MaxLaunchG=4.000000 LockonChance=70 LaunchReliability=75 ArmingTime=1.000000 SeekerFOV=5.000000 SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000 SeekerTrackRate=12.000000 SeekerRange=40000.000000 MinLaunchRange=500.000000 MaxLaunchRange=40000.000000 Duration=90.000000 CounterCountermeasure=80.000000 NoiseRejection=50.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x00000000 LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=26.804001 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=3.500000 BoosterAccel=22.000000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=0.000000 SustainerAccel=0.000000 SustainerEffectName= SustainerSoundName= SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 [WeaponData140] TypeName=AA-7D FullName=R-24T AA-7 Apex-D ModelName=AA-7D Mass=248.000000 Diameter=0.230000 Length=4.130000 SubsonicDragCoeff=0.588000 SupersonicDragCoeff=0.822000 AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET SpecificStationCode=AA7 NationName=Soviet StartYear=1978 EndYear=0 Availability=2 BaseQuantity=2 Exported=TRUE ExportStartYear=1978 ExportEndYear=0 ExportAvailability=2 WeaponDataType=1 RailLaunched=FALSE RocketPod=FALSE Retarded=FALSE FinStabilized=TRUE SpinStabilized=FALSE HasGrowl=FALSE EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects ReleaseDelay=1.000000 WarheadType=0 Explosives=35.000000 FusingDistance=2.000000 ClusterBomblets=0 ClusterDispersion=0.000000 GuidanceType=10 Accuracy=80 MaxTurnRate=15.000000 MaxLaunchG=4.000000 LockonChance=70 LaunchReliability=75 ArmingTime=1.000000 SeekerFOV=5.000000 SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000 SeekerTrackRate=12.000000 SeekerRange=15000.000000 MinLaunchRange=500.000000 MaxLaunchRange=15000.000000 Duration=35.000000 CounterCountermeasure=80.000000 NoiseRejection=60.000000 CapabilityFlags=0x00000280 LoftAngle=0.000000 DescentAngle=0.000000 MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000 CLmax=26.804001 MinFreq=0.000000 MaxFreq=0.000000 BoosterStart=0.500000 BoosterDuration=3.500000 BoosterAccel=22.000000 BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect BoosterSoundName=Missile BoosterNodeName= BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 SustainerDuration=0.000000 SustainerAccel=0.000000 SustainerEffectName= SustainerSoundName= SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000 InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect InFlightSoundName= ReleaseAnimationID=-1 EODisplayFlags=0 CEP=0.000000 Quote
tomas22 Posted April 17, 2011 Author Posted April 17, 2011 Hi Devil and Stick. First at all, Apex A, B, C and D are stock weapons, since the have come included with my WOI as aphid's as well. What I want to do is to supply stock syrian MIG-23 MF with aphid and apex missiles for Lebanon Campaign instead boring atoll. I've modified stock MIG-23MF loadout.ini in order to do that. So, both aircraft and missiles are stock supplied. Apex B and D can be loaded without problems, but radar guided missiles are missing. Beyond that, I've downloaded Miraga factory Mig-23 MLD and this aircraft can load radar guided apex without problem. We can conclude there is no weapon problem. Stick, here you have my MIG-23 apex stations included in my MIG-23 MF data ini. I've modified apex missiles and they are WP and Soviet type allowed weapons. [LeftApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=8 StationGroupID=2 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 SpecificStationCode=AA7 [RightApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=9 StationGroupID=3 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 SpecificStationCode=AA7 Mig-23MF loadout also state apex stations as ID=8 and ID=9 Just in Case, here you have MIG-23 MLD mirage factory apex stations: [LeftGloveStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=1 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.330,0.50,-0.105 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=760.0 AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,BOMB,RP,2BR,2IR,GP,FT AttachmentType=WP ModelNodeName=AAM_GlovePylon_Left PylonMass=108.9 PylonDragArea=0.03 LaunchRailNodeName=LeftRail FuelTankName=Tank790_MiG23 [RightGloveStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=2 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.330,0.50,-0.105 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,BOMB,RP,2BR,2IR,GP,FT AttachmentType=WP ModelNodeName=AAM_GlovePylon_Right PylonMass=108.9 PylonDragArea=0.03 LaunchRailNodeName=RightRail FuelTankName=Tank790_MiG23 If you have any idea please let me know. Quote
tomas22 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Posted April 18, 2011 Sirs, I've modified MIG-23MFdata ini deleting "SpecificStationCode=AA7" and now radar guided apex can be loaded by AI Syrian Migs in single missions and Lebanon. I don't understand why but it works!! Thanks Tomas Quote
Wrench Posted April 18, 2011 Posted April 18, 2011 (edited) Did you add WP to the AttachmentTypes=??? make sure it reads SOVIET,WP try that Edited April 18, 2011 by Wrench Quote
tomas22 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Posted April 18, 2011 Wrench, all apex were modified by me as WP and Soviet weapons, but the problem dissapeared when i deleted "SpecificStationCode=AA7". I don't know why this sentence affected only radar guided apex while heat seeking ones were loaded OK. Thanks for your help guys. Best regards Tomas Quote
Guest HoneyFox Posted April 23, 2011 Posted April 23, 2011 Wrench, all apex were modified by me as WP and Soviet weapons, but the problem dissapeared when i deleted "SpecificStationCode=AA7". I don't know why this sentence affected only radar guided apex while heat seeking ones were loaded OK. Thanks for your help guys. Best regards Tomas Check your weapondata. There should be SpecificStationCode for Apex missiles. Remove them so that any SAHM weapon station can load it if the weight, diameter and length are small enough. i Quote
tomas22 Posted June 25, 2011 Author Posted June 25, 2011 Hi HoneyFox, Could you please let me know how to remove that? I've looked my weapondata editor and I couldn't find any Specifstationcode item for apex missile. Thanks!!! tomas Quote
+Gepard Posted June 26, 2011 Posted June 26, 2011 It is a problem with the TK's stock MiG-23MF. TK set the ApexWeaponstations with the SpecificStationCode=AA-7, but forgot in the weapondata.ini to designate the station code AA-7 to the Apex missile. So the game engine does not find a missile which can loaded on the ApexWeaponStations. To solve this you can either edit the weapondata.ini with weaponeditor and put the station code into the AA-7A - AA-7D or you edit the MiG-23MF.data and make it as the lines show below: [LeftApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=6 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 DiameterLimit=0.20 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET,WP ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 //SpecificStationCode=AA-7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS IS THE LINE [RightApexStation] SystemType=WEAPON_STATION StationID=7 StationGroupID=1 StationType=EXTERNAL AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00 AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0 LoadLimit=500.0 DiameterLimit=0.20 AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM AttachmentType=SOVIET,WP ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2 PylonMass=100 PylonDragArea=0.03 //SpecificStationCode=AA-7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS IS THE LINE Quote
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