APEX PROBLEM WOI

[tomas22 0]

Hy guys! I can't use Apex A nor Apex C radar guided missiles in Mig-23MF . However, Heat seeking apex B and D are available. Do you have any idea about how to solve it??

 

Many thanks....

 

Tomas

[DEVIL11 31]

did u put the weapon in ur weapons folder

[Stick 773]

In the MiG-23MF data ini, check to see whether these match. If they do then you would also have to check the weapon data.ini. Overwrite only if you find a discrepancy-please save the two files before tinkering with them!!!Then run the weapons editor, and save as prompted. On an aside, I don't like the Apex very much-requires a lot of psychic power to score a hit!Oh and I'm using the MF weapons pack-just to be certain that you have the correct model references with the data given below.

 

[LeftApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

SpecificStationCode=AA7

 

[RightApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

SpecificStationCode=AA7

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------x

[WeaponData137]

TypeName=AA-7A

FullName=R-23R AA-7 Apex-A

ModelName=AA-7A

Mass=223.000000

Diameter=0.190000

Length=4.060000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.583000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.702000

AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET

SpecificStationCode=AA7

NationName=Soviet

StartYear=1972

EndYear=1997

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=2

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1972

ExportEndYear=0

ExportAvailability=1

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=FALSE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=FALSE

EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=1.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=25.000000

FusingDistance=2.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=12

Accuracy=50

MaxTurnRate=15.000000

MaxLaunchG=4.000000

LockonChance=70

LaunchReliability=65

ArmingTime=2.000000

SeekerFOV=5.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000

SeekerTrackRate=12.000000

SeekerRange=25000.000000

MinLaunchRange=2000.000000

MaxLaunchRange=35000.000000

Duration=75.000000

CounterCountermeasure=70.000000

NoiseRejection=30.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x00000000

LoftAngle=0.000000

DescentAngle=0.000000

MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000

CLmax=26.804001

MinFreq=0.000000

MaxFreq=0.000000

BoosterStart=0.500000

BoosterDuration=2.800000

BoosterAccel=18.000000

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

CEP=0.000000

 

[WeaponData138]

TypeName=AA-7B

FullName=R-23T AA-7 Apex-B

ModelName=AA-7B

Mass=217.000000

Diameter=0.190000

Length=3.940000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.583000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.817000

AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET

SpecificStationCode=AA7

NationName=Soviet

StartYear=1972

EndYear=1997

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=2

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1972

ExportEndYear=0

ExportAvailability=1

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=FALSE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=FALSE

EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=1.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=25.000000

FusingDistance=2.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=70

MaxTurnRate=15.000000

MaxLaunchG=4.000000

LockonChance=70

LaunchReliability=65

ArmingTime=2.000000

SeekerFOV=5.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000

SeekerTrackRate=12.000000

SeekerRange=11000.000000

MinLaunchRange=1300.000000

MaxLaunchRange=11000.000000

Duration=35.000000

CounterCountermeasure=70.000000

NoiseRejection=40.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x00000280

LoftAngle=0.000000

DescentAngle=0.000000

MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000

CLmax=26.804001

MinFreq=0.000000

MaxFreq=0.000000

BoosterStart=0.500000

BoosterDuration=2.800000

BoosterAccel=18.000000

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

CEP=0.000000

 

[WeaponData139]

TypeName=AA-7C

FullName=R-24R AA-7 Apex-C

ModelName=AA-7C

Mass=250.000000

Diameter=0.230000

Length=4.300000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.588000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.642000

AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET

SpecificStationCode=AA7

NationName=Soviet

StartYear=1978

EndYear=0

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=2

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1978

ExportEndYear=0

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=FALSE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=FALSE

EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=1.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=35.000000

FusingDistance=2.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=12

Accuracy=60

MaxTurnRate=15.000000

MaxLaunchG=4.000000

LockonChance=70

LaunchReliability=75

ArmingTime=1.000000

SeekerFOV=5.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000

SeekerTrackRate=12.000000

SeekerRange=40000.000000

MinLaunchRange=500.000000

MaxLaunchRange=40000.000000

Duration=90.000000

CounterCountermeasure=80.000000

NoiseRejection=50.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x00000000

LoftAngle=0.000000

DescentAngle=0.000000

MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000

CLmax=26.804001

MinFreq=0.000000

MaxFreq=0.000000

BoosterStart=0.500000

BoosterDuration=3.500000

BoosterAccel=22.000000

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

CEP=0.000000

 

[WeaponData140]

TypeName=AA-7D

FullName=R-24T AA-7 Apex-D

ModelName=AA-7D

Mass=248.000000

Diameter=0.230000

Length=4.130000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.588000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.822000

AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET

SpecificStationCode=AA7

NationName=Soviet

StartYear=1978

EndYear=0

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=2

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1978

ExportEndYear=0

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=1

RailLaunched=FALSE

RocketPod=FALSE

Retarded=FALSE

FinStabilized=TRUE

SpinStabilized=FALSE

HasGrowl=FALSE

EffectClassName=MediumMissileEffects

ReleaseDelay=1.000000

WarheadType=0

Explosives=35.000000

FusingDistance=2.000000

ClusterBomblets=0

ClusterDispersion=0.000000

GuidanceType=10

Accuracy=80

MaxTurnRate=15.000000

MaxLaunchG=4.000000

LockonChance=70

LaunchReliability=75

ArmingTime=1.000000

SeekerFOV=5.000000

SeekerGimbleLimit=46.000000

SeekerTrackRate=12.000000

SeekerRange=15000.000000

MinLaunchRange=500.000000

MaxLaunchRange=15000.000000

Duration=35.000000

CounterCountermeasure=80.000000

NoiseRejection=60.000000

CapabilityFlags=0x00000280

LoftAngle=0.000000

DescentAngle=0.000000

MaxLoftAltitude=0.000000

CLmax=26.804001

MinFreq=0.000000

MaxFreq=0.000000

BoosterStart=0.500000

BoosterDuration=3.500000

BoosterAccel=22.000000

BoosterEffectName=MissileFireEffect

BoosterSoundName=Missile

BoosterNodeName=

BoosterPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

SustainerDuration=0.000000

SustainerAccel=0.000000

SustainerEffectName=

SustainerSoundName=

SustainerPosition=0.000000,-1.835150,0.000000

InFlightEffectName=MissileInFlightEffect

InFlightSoundName=

ReleaseAnimationID=-1

EODisplayFlags=0

CEP=0.000000

[tomas22 0]

Hi Devil and Stick.

First at all, Apex A, B, C and D are stock weapons, since the have come included with my WOI as aphid's as well.

What I want to do is to supply stock syrian MIG-23 MF with aphid and apex missiles for Lebanon Campaign instead boring atoll. I've modified stock MIG-23MF loadout.ini in order to do that.

So, both aircraft and missiles are stock supplied. Apex B and D can be loaded without problems, but radar guided missiles are missing.

 

Beyond that, I've downloaded Miraga factory Mig-23 MLD and this aircraft can load radar guided apex without problem. We can conclude there is no weapon problem.

Stick, here you have my MIG-23 apex stations included in my MIG-23 MF data ini.

I've modified apex missiles and they are WP and Soviet type allowed weapons.

 

[LeftApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=8

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

SpecificStationCode=AA7

 

[RightApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=3

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

SpecificStationCode=AA7

 

Mig-23MF loadout also state apex stations as ID=8 and ID=9

 

Just in Case, here you have MIG-23 MLD mirage factory apex stations:

 

[LeftGloveStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=1

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.330,0.50,-0.105

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=760.0

AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,BOMB,RP,2BR,2IR,GP,FT

AttachmentType=WP

ModelNodeName=AAM_GlovePylon_Left

PylonMass=108.9

PylonDragArea=0.03

LaunchRailNodeName=LeftRail

FuelTankName=Tank790_MiG23

 

[RightGloveStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=2

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.330,0.50,-0.105

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

AllowedWeaponClass=SAHM,IRM,BOMB,RP,2BR,2IR,GP,FT

AttachmentType=WP

ModelNodeName=AAM_GlovePylon_Right

PylonMass=108.9

PylonDragArea=0.03

LaunchRailNodeName=RightRail

FuelTankName=Tank790_MiG23

 

If you have any idea please let me know.

 

 

[tomas22 0]

Sirs,

 

I've modified MIG-23MFdata ini deleting "SpecificStationCode=AA7" and now radar guided apex can be loaded by AI Syrian Migs in single missions and Lebanon.

 

I don't understand why but it works!!

 

Thanks

 

Tomas

 

 

 

[Wrench 9,858]

Did you add WP to the AttachmentTypes=???

 

make sure it reads

 

SOVIET,WP

 

try that

Edited April 18, 2011 by Wrench

[tomas22 0]

Wrench,

 

all apex were modified by me as WP and Soviet weapons, but the problem dissapeared when i deleted "SpecificStationCode=AA7".

I don't know why this sentence affected only radar guided apex while heat seeking ones were loaded OK.

 

Thanks for your help guys.

 

Best regards

 

Tomas

 

 

 

 

[Guest HoneyFox]

Wrench,

 

all apex were modified by me as WP and Soviet weapons, but the problem dissapeared when i deleted "SpecificStationCode=AA7".

I don't know why this sentence affected only radar guided apex while heat seeking ones were loaded OK.

 

Thanks for your help guys.

 

Best regards

 

Tomas

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Check your weapondata.

 

There should be SpecificStationCode for Apex missiles. Remove them so that any SAHM weapon station can load it if the weight, diameter and length are small enough.

 

 

 

 

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[tomas22 0]

Hi HoneyFox,

 

Could you please let me know how to remove that? I've looked my weapondata editor and I couldn't find any Specifstationcode item for apex missile.

 

Thanks!!!

 

tomas

[+Gepard 11,323]

It is a problem with the TK's stock MiG-23MF.

TK set the ApexWeaponstations with the SpecificStationCode=AA-7, but forgot in the weapondata.ini to designate the station code AA-7 to the Apex missile. So the game engine does not find a missile which can loaded on the ApexWeaponStations. To solve this you can either edit the weapondata.ini with weaponeditor and put the station code into the AA-7A - AA-7D or you edit the MiG-23MF.data and make it as the lines show below:

 

 

[LeftApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=6

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

DiameterLimit=0.20

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET,WP

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_L_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

//SpecificStationCode=AA-7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS IS THE LINE

 

[RightApexStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=7

StationGroupID=1

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=1.47,0.24,0.00

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=500.0

DiameterLimit=0.20

AllowedWeaponClass=IRM,SAHM

AttachmentType=SOVIET,WP

ModelNodeName=shoulder_pylon_R_2

PylonMass=100

PylonDragArea=0.03

//SpecificStationCode=AA-7 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<THIS IS THE LINE