Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) Download available here All right, I'm working again on my RF-84F superpack, I know no one cares about the little recon plane, but at least that guarantees Paulopanz or Ludo won't beat me to it. This thread will serve to track the WiP and to motivate me to progress regularly, it will also serve to gather any information and feedback you might have to contribute. The big idea follows : Legend : Done In progress To be done Awaiting information Historical means only planes known to be available for the given time frame are represented, it's not 100% accurate, but as accurate as sources, motivation and gameplay allow. Semi-Historical means it contains both planes verified historically to be active and part of the represented squadron AND planes randomly chosen from planes known to have served with, depending on the available sources, the wing or the service at the time to fill the gaps. Generic means the plane numbers are chosen randomly from the pool of planes assigned to the nation, squadron numbers assigned randomly from the possible numbers and no sources allows to verify the plane was or was not in flying order at a given date. In some extreme cases it might mean a generic skin with no serial at all to avoid. RF-84F_US (Early Republic Seat, US pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 32nd TRS Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1956, Sembach DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 32nd TRS, Late '57 Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1957, Sembach, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 38th TRS, Late '55 Silver, Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1955, Sembach, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 38th TRS Silver, Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1956, Sembach, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 38th TRS, Late '57 Silver, Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1957, Sembach, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 302nd TRS, Late '55 Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1955, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 302nd TRS Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1956, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 302nd TRS, Late '57 Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1957, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 303rd TRS, Late '55 Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1955, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 303rd TRS Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1956, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, US Air Force in Europe, 303rd TRS, Late '57 Silver, Semi-Historical, 17 planes, circa late 1957, Spangdahlem, DE United States of America, Pacific Air Forces, 15th TRS, Late '58 Silver, Semi-Historical, ?? planes, circa late 1958, Kadena, JP United States of America, Pacific Air Forces, 45th TRS, Late '58 Silver, Semi-Historical, ?? planes, circa late 1958, Misawa, JP RF-84F_FR1 (Early Republic Seat, French pilot, no spoilers, inactive brake chute) France, Armée de l'Air, ER 4/33 Silver, Semi-Historical, 14 planes, circa late 1956, Akrotiri, Cyprus, UK RF-84F_FR2 (Early Republic Seat, French pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) France, Armée de l'Air, GR 1/33 Silver, Generic, 24 planes, circa late 1956, Cognac, FR France, Armée de l'Air, ERT 2/33 Silver, Generic, 23 planes, circa late 1956, Cognac, FR France, Armée de l'Air, ERT 3/33 Silver, Generic, 23 planes, circa late 1956, Cognac, FR RF-84F_FR3 (Late Republic Seat, French pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) France, Armée de l'Air, [GR|ER] 1/33 Camo, Generic, 16 planes, circa late 1962, Cognac, FR France, Armée de l'Air, [ERT|ER] 2/33 Silver, Generic, 16 planes, circa late 1960, Cognac, FR Camo, Generic, 16 planes, circa late 1962, Cognac, FR France, Armée de l'Air, ERT 3/33 Silver, Generic, 16 planes, circa late 1960, Cognac, FR Camo, Generic, 16 planes, circa late 1962, Cognac, FR RF-84F_NATO1 (Early Republic Seat, Euro pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) Netherlands, Koninklijke Luchtmacht, 306 Sqn. Silver, Historical, 16 planes, circa late 1956, Eindhoven, NL Belgium, Force Aérienne Belge, 42 Sqn. Silver, Historical, 14 planes, circa late 1956, Brustem, BE Belgium, Force Aérienne Belge, 42 Sqn. Camo, Historical, 16 planes, circa late 1960, Brustem, BE Norway, Luftforsvaret, 717 Skv. Silver, Historical, 24 planes, circa late 1956, Rygge, DK Greece, Polemikí Aeroporía, 348 Mira Silver, Generic, 16 airplanes, circa late 1955 RF-84F_NATO2 (Late Republic Seat, Euro pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) Netherlands, Koninklijke Luchtmacht, 306 Sqn. Camo, Historical, 16 planes, circa late 1962 Belgium, Force Aérienne Belge, 42 Sqn. Camo, Historical, 15 planes, circa late 1962 Camo, Historical, 24 planes, circa late 1968 Denmark, Flyvevåbnet, 729 Esk. Silver, Generic, 4 planes, circa late 1962 Camo, Historical, 19 planes, circa late 1962 Camo, Historical, 18 planes, circa late 1968 Norway, Luftforsvaret, 717 Skv. Camo, Historical, 24 planes, circa late 1962 Camo, Historical, 19 planes, circa late 1968 Greece, Polemikí Aeroporía, 348 Mira Camo, Generic, 16 airplanes, circa late 1964 Camo, Generic, 16 airplanes, circa late 1974 Turkey, Türk Hava Kuvvetleri Silver, Generic, 24 airplanes, circa late 1964 Camo, Generic, 24 airplanes, circa late 1974 RF-84F_DE2 (Martin Baker seat, German pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) Germany, Bundesluftwaffe, AG 51 Camo, Generic, 36 planes, circa late 1962 Germany, Bundesluftwaffe, AG 52 Camo, Generic, 36 planes, circa late 1962 RF-84F_TW (Early Republic Seat, US pilot, painted spoilers, active brake chute) Taiwan, Zhonghuá Mínguó Kongjun, 4th CRS Silver, Historical, 22 planes, circa late 1958, Songhang, TW Edited October 8, 2012 by Gunrunner 1 Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 As to this little Recce Bird you are wrong its a great little bird for those days when the sun is shining and you have a 10000ft runway... Thank you for taking the time out to do this... Quote
+Soulfreak Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 38 TRS RF-84F: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/38th_Tactical_Reconnaissance_Squadron_-_Republic_RF-84F-25-RE_Thunderflash_-_51-17011.jpg Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks, I unfortunately already had that one, so far I have 6 numbers (which is a tad short) and no explanation on the way bands were (or not) applied, the sites of former 38th TRS personnel start with the Voodoo, maybe I'll try mailing them if any of them has time to spare helping. Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Looking forward to superpack :clapping: :clapping: If you need info on the RDAF birds. Then do I have some stuff Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 Oh hgbn, then I'll take you on your offer, I have all the crashes of the RDAF birds and all C-xx planes listed, however I'm missing a lot of informations on the early years, individual planes introduction dates, squadron code - Serial associations, so far I have only 5 of those confirmed (51-1865 as KA-G, 53-7574 as KA-F, 53-7581 as KA-J, 53-7649 as KA-K and 53-7651 as KA-B) of which one crashed in '61. Any help on that front would be welcome and would avoid having only those 4 and the rest as placeholders. Also if you could confirm the date at which the transition from natural metal/KA-X codes to camouflage/C-xxx was made, it would be better than my guesstimate based on photographs placing it in the first quarter of the 60's. Oh, and color pictures of the camouflage would help, I only have one very inappropriate for color reference, and drawn profiles but I tend not to trust those to much. Here, just for you in the meantime... Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Ok let me dig a bit in my stuff There was no fixed date in which they changed from natural metal to the 2 tone camo.. IIRC I have some pics with mixed aircrafts. Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 http://flymuseum.dk/fly/217-republic-rf-84f-thunderflash.html The underside color is the same as RAF PRU blue. topside dark grey and dark green.... I know I have seen a list of serials somewhere.. Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 51-1865 = KA-G later C-865 51-1946= C-946 51-1937= C-937 51-11269= C-269 51-11281= C-281 51-11264= C-264 51-11274= C-274 52-7248= C-248 52-7283= C-283 52-7385= C-385 53-7551= C-551 53-7642= C-642 53-7647= KA-D on camo, C-647 53-7648= C-748 53-7649= KA-K, C-649 53-7651= KA-B, C-651 53-7670= C-670 This is what I can dig up atm.. Letter kode KA-A- KA-K 11 aircrafts from 1957-60 C-xxx used after 1960 Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) hgbn, thanks, that's one more, plus dates and limits of the KA-X squadron numbers, and an interesting thing, is 53-7648 as C-748 a typo or do you have photographic evidence ? I had another with a mismatch but found pictures to suggest it was a typo in the list I found. All right, this is where the 38th TRS is with stock F-84F serials and a decal version of the fuselage bands, if the variation of number of bands matter they'll be a decal (not perfect, otherwise I'll paint it, which will be cleaner and will nicely avoid the alignement problems (well, I'll still have to spend some time aligning pixels over the airbrakes, but that's almost trivial compared to the wings). Edited October 27, 2011 by Gunrunner Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 It must be a typo.. they always used the last 3 digits from the USAF serial after the C it is a typo.. sorry just double checked Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 No problem, it's fairly common, between typos and improperly interpreted pictures, retracing the life of planes is a sport for the borderline insane, especially when what are supposed typos are not. Quote
+hgbn Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 http://www.pbase.com/fanjetuk/image/43540339 Quote
+paulopanz Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Fantastic job! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: Quote
Wrench Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 variations in fuse bands on USAF aircraft in the 50s designate Wing commander (usuall 3, sometimes 4) squadron commander (usually 2, sometimes 3), flight commander/lead, (usually 1, rarely 2) somebody wasn't following the discussion of the F-84E/G for it's various users try this site for serials and histories: http://millionmonkeytheater.com/RF-84F.html Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks Wrench, I was being a complete idiot, didn't even occur to me to check on the other F-84 variants threads... and yet another list of serials to check against the four I already have... good thing I'm already insane. Quote
Slartibartfast Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks Wrench, I was being a complete idiot, didn't even occur to me to check on the other F-84 variants threads... and yet another list of serials to check against the four I already have... good thing I'm already insane. Aaaaahhhh Sanity its overrated... Quote
Wrench Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 sanity? phhhhhffttt...ain't worth keeping!! Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 Well, the 38th TRS will now be a historical skin with 12 planes, including 4 with bands, 011 and 373 with triple black bands, 313 with a single black band and 343 with a black-red-red-black band. Should be done today, except for the decorated tanks, I'll probably spend some time on the French next. Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 And once it's finished I realize it's the scheme for the 38th TRS as part of the 66th TRW, starting in late '57 and not the scheme for it as part of the 10th TRW as useful for the NATO Fighters 1956 campaign... :mega_shok: Oh well, on to the next thing... Quote
+paulopanz Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote
Gunrunner Posted October 28, 2011 Author Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) OK, fine, I now have almost enough information to do a large part of the four RF-84F squadrons for '56, I do however miss a few things in the color department, so far I have gathered that : ___________56__________57 302 TRS....chevron..........stars 303 TRS....chevron..........stars??? 38 TRS.....red arrow........stars 32 TRS.....red arrow........stars The question is, why 38 TRS, formerly a blue squadron, ends up as black when moving to the 66th TRW and what color does 303 TRS ends up with, since it was the black squadron before ? Edited October 28, 2011 by Gunrunner Quote
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