A long time ago

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

A long time ago in 2009 i did a 1977 Campaing for the desertplus terrain made by Baffmeister and uploaded it

for some time now i have been wating to update to SF2 standarts.

whit my recente interest for What if Aircrafts this idea came bashing on my head again hard!

after some fewe PM treads discussions that go no were since this his above my project and not some very popular theme or project and i need for advice above all most on the aircraft set

 

here´s some preliminar ideas

 

 

AdA
Enterdar6 late
?
MirageIIIE

Aeronaval
Siroco M late wip

sharnak
Mirage 5sh wip
ouragan
Enterdar6 early wip

dhimar
?
?
Bac Boreas P.45C

USAF
?
?
A-7D
USN
?
A-7E

 

RAF
?
Bac Boreas P45C late wip
TSR 2

FAA
Sora FGA2 wip
?

Luftwaffe
?
F-4F
URSS

MiG-21MF Faceplate wip
Mig-23PD wip
Mig-21bis
?
?
Paran
MiG-21F Faceplate wip
Mig-21PFM Faceplate wip
?
?

Dohar
?
?
?

 

i want to mix real aircraft whit what if aircrafts

one thing thats kind bloking me his watt type of what aircraft i cloud use (forgive me im about to sin) replace the F-4E in USAF,USN,USMC and or Dhimar Services.

im also a bit lost on a mud mover or the "red" side.

the item on the list a ? are doubts watt to use here.

 

i will post pics of the wips has i get them safely in game.

no ETA on this one since there still a lot of work to be done

in regard of the 1977 year for the campaing its not fix or final if i have a good reason to change it.

outher campaings in early or later years can be noe but one at the time this his already a bit confusing has it his.

 

Cocas

Daniel

 

[Stratos 3,192]

Red "Mud mover" can be a Su-22 with a proper skin. No idea about the F4E replacement sorry.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

i has about a what if red mud mover but if i cant find one then not much choice i guess

[Stratos 3,192]

No idea if you'replanning to build somethin new, but what about a jet powered Il-20?

 

 

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

For 1977? maybe for a mid 50 camaping it cloud work....

thanks for the help this  watt i need sugestions and im building new thing its watt i do.

Edited July 2, 2013 by cocas

[Stratos 3,192]

Well If you're doing it for Paran can work, even in 1977, after all it would be a jet powered variant and Paran don't really need the last of the line in technology. Can work properly as a COIN aircraft too.

 

But If you don't think it fits I will search for more ideas, I like your campaign idea a lot.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

thanks dont fry your brain like im frying mine!

[Stratos 3,192]

This one is huge, Su-25 competitor, the Ilyushin 102:





Always loved the Yak-36, maybe with a different wing (ala Su-25 straight wing), conventional take off and landing and conventional landing gear too, can be a nice strike aircraft:

 

Something like this:

 

Edited July 2, 2013 by Stratos

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

interesting both i wasnt the Il-102 a prototype for the 90´s?

Yak-36 even has stol or vtol or wath ever his intersting but the payload his even smaller the the Forger never saw a pic of the Yak-36 whit more the two pilons!

thing go like this

 

IL-20 for Dohar

Yak-36 or Il-102 URSS

Paran need more work

[Stratos 3,192]

Being a "what if", maybe you can add Su-25 wings to the Yak-36 giving it more punch? Look my last pic.

 

Th Il-102 first flight was in 1982.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Stratos

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

NICE!

and its possible to the main features of the aircraft.

1982 his going to far but....then i can use the Strom and Raider in US and UK services

but i will lose the Entendar 6 late in french service....

Entendar 6 late has two Flare boxs in the belly like some Mirage 5 and a ECM box in the Vtail cloud that survive in na 82 conflict?

Siroco his similar

 

 

stil far its frist flight.

would these be able to put up a fight in the 80´s even in watt cloud the be the worst case scenario europe beacouse if they cloud not survive in Europe there should be no real reason to keep then in service i think?

 

[Stratos 3,192]

Wait, the Il-102 first flight was in 1982 cause it lost the competition with the Su-25, If the competition winner has been the Il, the first flight would have occured like in 1975 or so, just like the Su-25, so the Il-102 is perfectly useable in 1977 If you ask me.

 

BTW, what is this new plane? Looks a bit like a Mirage F.1 but for the Aeronavale?

Edited July 2, 2013 by Stratos

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

the new aircraft his the Breguet Siroco its has to be use on the new French aircraft carrier in the late 50´s instead they use the F-8FN and etendar IVM.

its a Fighter bomber the idea ws to use a single type for all missions but it never let the drawing board sadly

top was to be Mach 1.8!

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

candidates

For Germany

 

for USN and USAF

 

beacouse nothing replaces better a Phantom then another Phantom!!!!

.

more to come

 

the RED side im more i more going to the large wing Yak-36 but to carry that load its has to be CTOL

 

 

 

[Stratos 3,192]

That Phantom is just amazing!!

 

BTW what is a Mirage 5sh??

Edited July 3, 2013 by Stratos

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

 

 

BTW what is a Mirage 5sh??

 its Mirage 5 Sharnak! im using my 5P model whit a desert skin.

[+Gunrunner 314]

You also have the Mirage F.2 and G G.4, G.8, G.8A/F.8 . But I guess you still have the 4000 to finish someday first. :D

 

There's Russo's P.1211 in the works for a few years now that would fit the time period.

 

The P.1154, either the RAF single seater or FAA two seaters would also fit the period and usage.

 

The Vought V-507 would also fit the time period.

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

Mirage 4000 his near relesea just waiting on a fewe inis the rest his done but not for this campaing since its frist flight was in 1986 iirc!

i do need one brid for AdA who knows watt i will cook i love both Mirage G and F.2 ah i hate choices!!!!!!

 

V-507 has a tomcat rival right cloud it be around 1977?

 

RAF his  another head Russo´s P.1211 wloud most welcomed in this

 

for USN i was think of the Convair 201 that we have in donwload seccion if it fits the time period.

[+Gunrunner 314]

The V-507 was a competitor to the Tomcat, the Tomcat entered service in 1974, so if the USN went for the V-507 instead of the Tomcat, it would have been ready for 1977.

It's highly unlikely that both V-507 and Tomcat would end up in service.

 

The Convair 201 was a competitor for equipping SCS in a program started in 1973, had it worked, in 1977 at best if would barely be entering service, it could however serve as a F-8 replacement/F-4 substitute for the Essex carriers (in a scenario were they were kept in service as escort carriers, historically by 1977 none were still in operation as carriers), which were deemed too small to operate the F-4 anyway.

 

Now for the Mirages, the most interesting and realistic in my opinion are the F.2 (as interceptor) and the G.4 (as strike aircraft).

Edited July 3, 2013 by Gunrunner

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

The P.1154 was being worked on late last year, for the life of me though I can't find the thread :(

Also can't remember who was working on her, would I'd love to see the naval interceptor varient in game some day :)

 

Craig

[+KnightWolf45 1,147]

CadeteBRA was working on the Single seat Version some time.

you talking about the RN Version the two seat interceptor right?

it cloud be a good complemente to the Sora FGA2

Sora FGA2 or A2 on strike

P.1154 has fleet defender

 

then the Convair out im willing to bend reality but only to a point

it can be use some day in a later campaing

V-507 his a great great i like more then the tomcat!

 

on Mirage i do have a early wip Mirage G4 two seat version

and the F.2 his kind of simple to make but let take one step at the time.

thank you guys whit your help thing are getting on track litle by litle

 

today to more i update the plane whit last ideas for we ca n discuss it.

 

just need to check a fewe thing frist!

[fallenphoenix1986 603]

Thanks for that, went back through the WIP board as far as November without seeing the thread. Yeah, the naval version was a 2 seat variant, he mentioned in his thread that he intended to model this after he had the RAF variant done. :)

 

Craig

[+RAVEN 414]

Cocas is their an ETA on this project? Because I'm working on a side project (back burner) that you might like as a Red interceptor:

Edited July 5, 2013 by RAVEN

[Stratos 3,192]

Hey that Fishbed looks pretty cool! Like a Soviet Mirage III, wondering If they added more pylons on those huge wings?

[+RAVEN 414]

The pilot's wanted a fighter version, but it was just a test bed, now it's what if.:)