Nesher 629 Posted July 1, 2016 it takes an animal to kill one 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+whiteknight06604 932 Posted July 1, 2016 and yet college kids around this nation fail to acknowledge this.......so sad. I wish the world would be more supportive of the only free nation in the region who is under constant threat by some of the most racist,homophobic and misogynist people on earth.....I wish that Palestinians loved life as much as they love death......maybe one day things will change and ALL the innocents on both sides can just live in peace . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Nyghtfall 2,129 Posted July 1, 2016 Sad that this happened. Nevertheless both participants in this war are far from being innocent or victims. Just my 2c. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toryu 156 Posted July 1, 2016 It's a shame he was shot. They could have done other things to him... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nesher 629 Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) Nevertheless both participants in this war are far from being innocent or victims. Just my 2c. she was in her bed, she was SLEEPING... is she to blame for anything in this so called war? what about the other children they slaughtered in their sleep? and no, when the IDF kills children, no one is happy about... no one wants it to happen but it does happen because in a real war zone, sh*t happen, not when someone breaks into a house and kills a little girl in her sleep we give plenty of warning and call off ops when none-involved are in the way (you are more than welcome to check this out, and they investigate whenever none-involved are hurt) and it's never never never a soldier killing children in cold blood from point blank range! btw, after this message was published, a father was killed when his car was shot by Palestinians terrorists.. filthy terrorists animals that should be killed like ones! Edited July 2, 2016 by Nesher 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+whiteknight06604 932 Posted July 2, 2016 Sad that this happened. Nevertheless both participants in this war are far from being innocent or victims. Just my 2c. no one would ever say that Israel is perfect but there are clearly defined good and bad guys here. on one side you have a free nation that has championed freedom and equality and for the most part has been the side that has made concessions for peace and on the other you have a repressive group that has at almost every turn chosen to embrace hate rather then peace. the Palestinians as a policy attack and target civilians with rockets and on an almost daily basis assault,rapes and murders bu terrorists who infiltrate the nation by sea or in tunnels. on the Israeli side they spend millions to help refugees and send experts around the globe to help fight famine,to save refugees and on the Palestinian side they steal aid money that should be feeding their people and they put it in Swiss bank accounts or spend it on weapons. in Israel everyone gets equal chances at education and medical care,Arabs can join the government and the army,in the PA if you speak out against the leaders you are imprisoned or killed,if you are a homosexual you are attacked,tortured or killed. there is no freedom to express yourself,there is nothing but the state education system that indoctrinates children from the cradle with anti-Semitic TV shows and school curriculum that is designed to foster hate of the Jews and of Israel. Hamas used thousands of tons of donated concrete that was to be used to rebuild schools hospitals and homes to build tunnels into Israel to better infiltrate attack groups......on one side you have Israel that will in defense of their nation will go to the most unprecedented lengths to avoid civilian casualties when they attack the rocket launching sites and bases where weapons of terror are stored.on the Palestinian side they intention have used schools,private homes and hospitals as weapons depots and have intentional launched their attacks from civilian neighborhoods so that the can reap the 2 fold benefit of making it harder for Israel to defend itself and then to reap the propaganda benefit of intentionally putting their civilians into harms way to use their bodies as w weapon of propaganda.when you use children and women as shields,sent them unknowingly to their deaths with bombs or to throw rocks at civilians you can never claim the high ground morally. Israel has made mistakes,some brutal but from a moral standpoint there is ZERO comparison with a group,the Israelis, who in DEFENSE , may accidentally kill civilians and on the other,the Palestinians, who intentionally target civilians,use them as shields and steal from their own civilians the very aid that they need. Yasser Arafat died with a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, his family lives like royalty and yet the Palestinian people like in camps and under constant abuse by their own leaders....the UN has treated the Palestinians differently that any other refugees and has never addressed the fact that in almost every Arab nation the Palestinians are treated like second class citizens. they are not allowed to become citizens in these Arab nations, they are not allowed to own property and in many education is barred to them. the other Arab nations that by all rights should have long ago absorbed these refugees has used them as a weapon against Israel by allowing them to suffer so that that very suffering can be exploited to sway the ignorant masses in the world... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Nyghtfall 2,129 Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) The point I do not like is, that for both of you Israel is innocent and a victim and all people that died trough IDF weapons were accidentily killed. All palestinian people you consider as terrorists that just want to crush Israel... It's a fact that Israel occupies areas from other countries...it even builds settlements in palestinian areas....why? Do you really think, you can end this war with such a crap? Another thing I don't get is, why Israel has such a big problem with a Palestinian state? Give those people some state they can live in and get at least a chance for peace. If you take everything from them, kill their children (even by accident) or other relatives, without a chance of a better life, of course they fight the people that suppress them. Of course many people that live there can be considered terrorists and I'm sure with the current Israeli strategy their number will increase. Over and out here. Edited July 2, 2016 by Nyghtfall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShrikeHawk 384 Posted July 3, 2016 I think you miss the points made so eloquently by whiteknight and Nesher. No, not all Palestinians are bad, just the animals who stab little girls in their beds. Just the whackjobs who launch Grad missiles from orphanages, hoping the inevitable counter-battery fire will kill Palestinian children. It's a travesty when any child, Palestinian or Israeli is killed. Israel actively tries to AVOID such deaths. The Hamas psychopaths actively SEEK innocent deaths. The news story at the top is evidence of this. And Palestinians don't need a country to be peaceful. Every day there's a chance to be peaceful. Hamas just needs to...stop...shooting. They would be amazed at how peaceful that is. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nesher 629 Posted July 3, 2016 Nyghtfall, I suggest you open a few news site that actually tell the truth and read how much Israel was willing to give up to achieve peace yet, Yasser Arafat refused, Mahmud Abbas refused and he still refuses to have real talks... you know why they refused? they don't want a state.. they seek the destruction of Israel.. when the Palestinians would really want peace, it will happen faster than you think! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+whiteknight06604 932 Posted July 3, 2016 The point I do not like is, that for both of you Israel is innocent and a victim and all people that died trough IDF weapons were accidentily killed. All palestinian people you consider as terrorists that just want to crush Israel... It's a fact that Israel occupies areas from other countries...it even builds settlements in palestinian areas....why? Do you really think, you can end this war with such a crap? Another thing I don't get is, why Israel has such a big problem with a Palestinian state? Give those people some state they can live in and get at least a chance for peace. If you take everything from them, kill their children (even by accident) or other relatives, without a chance of a better life, of course they fight the people that suppress them. Of course many people that live there can be considered terrorists and I'm sure with the current Israeli strategy their number will increase. Over and out here. there is a difference between the leadership and the people. the Palestinian leaders,both religious and political are thoroughly evil. the people are just pawns. most are probably good people just trying to eek out a life but with the lies they are fed by their leaders and the manipulation by their leaders and the greater Islamic forces as a weapon against the Jews their lives are a living hell. And YES THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE between accidentally killing civilians while attacking legitimate military targets and intentionally targeting them. an order of magnitude in difference.of course there are cases where Israeli soldiers have crossed the line and that is very wrong. the difference between The Israeli side and the Palestinian side is that when Israeli soldiers cross that line there are almost always investigations and usually punishments while on the other side murderers and rapists are held up as heroes and martyrs to the cause.there are a few legitimate grips with some minor land grabs but those could have been resolved years ago if the Palestinians had been able to negotiate in good faith and made it through a week or two without attacking civilians. Simply put there will never be peace until the Palestinian side wants it. the leaders are determined to let hate and racism rule their judgement and are almost never willing to concede anything and almost never willing to put peace above violence. It is telling that they treat their own people almost as abominably as they do the Israelis. at best the leadership in Gaza and the West bank are intolerant despotic and cruel, dealing out death and torture to anyone they find undesirable or not on board with the cause. go see what happens to women,go see what they do to homosexuals,go see what they do to anyone even remotely suspected of "collaboration". if these "leaders" were any people other than Palestinian there would be UN resolutions and sanctions against them but they are protected by the Muslim voting block and the nations that still harbor some anti-Semitic demons. once again I'll state clearly that the average Palestinian is not some evil animal just a pawn being used by their leaders ,brainwashed from childhood and kept in ignorance so that the resulting hatred can be used by Hamas and the PA as they see fit.I feel for them in my heart. ,they have been put into a horrible position and their suffering is real. the issue is that the vast majority of their suffering is because of the evils and/or failure of their leaders and the greater Muslim world leaders.the sad fact is that when Israel was created and the Arabs attack what was at the time a few hundred thousand Syrians and Jordanians, because that is what they considered themselves, moved from the war zone to other parts of the countries they considered themselves to be a part of to sit out the war. when it went against them they suddenly became "Palestinians and now are a group of millions "without a home" mainly because the Arab nations around them refuse to assimilate them. its an interesting side note that the UN treats the Palestinian "refugees" in a manner wholly different than any other refugee on earth. for some reason they have never tried to settle them anywhere,which is the aim of any refugee program, and strangely their children instead of being citizens of their host nations are somehow given refugee status too. so now instead of their being less refugees their is more....that in and of itself is insane and shows that these people are being used as tools rather than trying to be helped. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShrikeHawk 384 Posted July 3, 2016 Hopefully this video plays okay. It's a documentary called, "The Green Prince." It's about the son of a militant Palestinian cleric. The son eventually becomes a spy for the Israeli Intelligence. Interestingly, it wasn't the Israelis who really convinced him to do this work, but the horrific behavior of the Hamas...towards other Palestinians. It says a lot about Israelis and Palestinians to see how close the Palestinian got to his Israeli handler. They became as close as brothers. Hopefully, folks will find this illuminating. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
