MigBuster 2,884 Posted September 19, 2016 As isolated incidents these two events would be bad enough, however Loss Of Control Inflight (known as LOC-I ) is now the leading cause of fatalities on modern airliners. Since 2006 43% of fatal incidents on airliners have been due to the inability of the aircrew to operate the aircraft. Nor is it an Airbus issue, Asiana managed to bounce a 777 along San Francisco airport after the crew, including a training captain, failed to understand the autopilot logic and stalled on short finals. Three of the 307 aboard were killed, two of whom were notably not wearing their seat-belts and were flung clear of the wreckage suffering blunt force trauma, possibly from being run over by a fire tender. https://hushkit.net/2016/09/19/generation-xbox-may-kill-you-why-you-should-be-afraid-of-flying/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+streakeagle 871 Posted September 19, 2016 There is another side to that statistic. Consider Desert Storm. The threat from the enemy was so minimized that US forces lost more people to friendly fire than enemy fire. It is not that the friendly fired incidents were dramatically higher than any other war. It is the marked decrease in losses to the enemy. So, if modern aircraft and their associated maintenance standards dramatically decrease losses due to aircraft failures while the number of problems caused by pilot errors stays the same... you get statistics like this. Now having read about the pilots that stalled a twin turboprop and killed everyone on board because they didn't understand the physics of a stall and overrode the automatic stall limiter to pull the nose up even more... I can't believe pilots with that level of misunderstanding were certified to fly any airplane much less a passenger liner. How has this happened? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Erik 1,815 Posted September 21, 2016 When you get behind the aircraft or its flight systems you're no longer flying the aircraft it is flying you. We're setting pilots up to fail and when it happens we call it something friendly like loss of control or failure to train and little to no actions are taken to correct the problem at the pilot level. We've stopped teaching pilots how to fly and have replaced it with how to interpret what the flight system is doing. By the time you get to the point where the flight management is warning a pilot a deadly condition exists it's already to late and yet this scenario plays out in more cockpits than any airline will truthfully admit. You will never hear an armchair or magenta pilot utter the words "I felt it" when speaking about the aircraft they're flying. Proficiency is all your senses coming together to know your aircraft before it knows itself. That's what makes a pilot worth his salt and seat and that my friends is dead or dying. May you not become a statistic and happy flying. E Share this post Link to post Share on other sites