SF2 Euro: Are the Beagles the IL-28REB model?

[Arrow 83]

I ask because the Beagles I'm up against are definitely breaking the radar lock on my AIM 7 Sparrows, as if they have some jamming capability. Shots with the AIM 7-D that are effectively locking up and hitting Mig 21s and Mig 19s are woefully missing the IL-28s. That's occurring despite my painting them with my boresight radar more accurately and longer than the Migs. When I go to the [F9] missile view,  it looks like my missiles' lock is being jammed and it veers off, downward short of the target.  I'm playing the Red Thunder campaign and I was under the impression that the IL-28REB wasn't in service as early as 1962?

Or is there some other countermeasure on those early Beagles that I'm just not aware of?

[Wrench 9,849]

it's a standard Beagle, no subvariant, not ecm or countermeasures (extract the data ini and see -- it's in object cat 12). what it may be doing is "beaming" the missile; turning towards it and forcing an overshoot via the range gate.

or, you're shooting from too far way. 7D's are pretty shitty

[Arrow 83]

3 hours ago, Wrench said:

it's a standard Beagle, no subvariant, not ecm or countermeasures (extract the data ini and see -- it's in object cat 12). what it may be doing is "beaming" the missile; turning towards it and forcing an overshoot via the range gate.

or, you're shooting from too far way. 7D's are pretty shitty

Well I'm definitely not being beamed, because I can see in my boresight acquisition screen that I'm in the six of the beagle - have Bunyaps Weapons Delivery guide & follow its procedures faithfully. :)  That sophisticated & large tail turret on the IL-28 should be presenting an optimal reflection. I'm also within 5nm - 3nm when firing, which has been optimal for striking  the Migs with a Sparrow. It's weird; what works reliably with Migs, just doesn't cut it with the Beagles!

Edited August 26, 2018 by Arrow

[Snailman 517]

Hi. We need to know what weapon - by means of stock or modded one - are you using and on what plane (stock/ mod)  what altitude (!) what range.   Need to know reconstruct the situation.

Besided AIM7D is POS, lock break is not a weapon but a radar deficiency. Especially at low altitude. Guidance break however comes from low tracking str of radar (either because of noise out of low altitude/ or jamming str of on board devices) that causes the otherwise well shot and homing missile to lose track and go ballistic.

[Arrow 83]

The Weapon is the AIM 7-D Sparrow from Weapons Pack 2. The Aircraft I'm flying is the CF-105 Avro Arrow by FastCargo. The Beagles I was up against were at roughly 5,000 and 8,000 feet. I fired from as far as 5 nm, as close as 1.3 nm and a number of distances between those.  Like I said, the missile performed admirably against 2 Mig Fishbeds, even slightly turning to match their last second attempts to evade.

Edited August 26, 2018 by Arrow

[+yakarov79 11,089]

no worries...count this as bad luck...And forget. Fly again next mission. small s..t happens all the time...

 Ah... and next time  use Crusader  

[Arrow 83]

Thanks for all the replies everyone.

1 hour ago, yakarov79 said:

no worries...count this as bad luck...And forget. Fly again next mission. small s..t happens all the time...

 Ah... and next time  use Crusader  

Well I have had the same result in 2 missions now, in which I fired all 4 of the Sparrows against Beagles.

I'm flying the CF-105 in a what-if campaign during 1962 using SF2 Euro, so it won't be possible for me to jump to a Crusader. I'd consider running another campaign as a comparison, but as sad as it sounds the RCAF didn't acquire a jet capable of carrying semi-active or active radar missiles until the CF-18 in 1982. I'm aware of the F-104S with it's capability for Sparrows, but no way in hell I'd consider flying a campaign with the Zipper; not a fan at all, not to mention it claimed the lives of 39 RCAF pilots despite never being flown in combat.

I am considering running another what-if with a RCAF version of the F-105 Thunderchief, but to the best of my knowledge the Thud only ever carried AIM-9s. Still, it'll be nice to do some real mud moving.  :)

[Edit] If it helps shed any light on this...I downloaded another CF-105 (confusing because there's 4 different versions in the downloads section) that added the more historically accurate and attractive RL201 -through- RL206 liveries. However, when using a CF-105 with one of those liveries I could never get a lock with any missile (radar or heat-seeker) on any type of aircraft? Needless to say, I didn't use any of those RL### model numbers for my campaign and instead used a model from the original download.

Edited August 26, 2018 by Arrow