Wrench

iirc, the DAT may have one which, of course, does almost no one any good. I know they also have a Sea Hornet one could make one out of pasko's, but the hook would exist as ini statements only. nor would there be folding wings, nor 4-bladded props and the other physical changes - most especially the NF30 style nose for the AI Mk.XV radar (source: modlers datafile: mosquito)

Indeed All avenues should be pursued in acquiring the new Dragonfly!!

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 5B File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 5B 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 5b of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 5B contains the following items: Objects/ Aircraft (please note this is the 2nd, and last half of the aircraft folder.) As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein this concludes the uploads! Have at it folks; make something of this or at the very least, HAVE SOME FUN!! Click here to download this file

thanks. literally, several hundred hours on research for the aircraft, right down to serial numbers (although some are 'stand in' aircraft for those unavailable)

actually the "Civil Mod" was Gepard's idea, from years ago. Stratos wanted to resurrect it, I worked as best as I could with it (and had some great help on some skins and stuff from some really good people!) I forgot to mention, some of the 1stGEn aircraft included (Twin Otter, OV-10 and, irrc, the Z-37 have updated SF2 compliant FMs)

well, lets see how things go with my life, before I volenteer! as it stands, i'm probably not going to finish the ww2 CBI terrain...(i've done enough north Africa/Middle East/East Africa/Med Basin that something in the south might be interesting....) but, lets wait and see what the opthalmologist says on the 14th of Feb.....I KNOW more work will be required. <sigh> pity about Centurion moving on...that means we won't be getting a new, no-strings-attached, completely freeware A-37 Dragonfly. (unless he's willing to pass on his MAX files to another modeler...which ain't such a bad idea, eh?)

remember, it's NOT complete -- there's a lot of unfinished stuff in all these also, I don't remember if I removed ALL the guns from the various aircraft ( I know I didn't on the A-1H), so each data ini needs to be checked

that pit is AWESOME!!

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 5A File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 5A 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 5a of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 5A contains the following items: Objects/ Aircraft (please note this is the 1st half of the aircraft folder. Part 5B will contain the rest. It was just way too large to make one zip of) As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein Click here to download this file

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 4 File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 4 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 4 of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 4 contains the following items: Objects/ Decals As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein Click here to download this file

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 3 File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 3 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 3 of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 3 contains the following items: Terrains/ Bowl The terrain is a full 4-season, using Stary's GermanyCE set. As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein Click here to download this file

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 2 File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 2 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 2 of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 2 contains the following items: Objects/ GroundObject Guns Pilots Weapons As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein Click here to download this file

File Name: SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 1 File Submitter: Wrench File Submitted: 23 January 2016 File Category: User Made Campaigns SF2 "Civil/Firefighter" Mod Part 1 1/13/2016 = For SF2, Full 4/5 Merged RECCOMENDED*! = *-SF2NA is NOT a requirement, but having SF2:E is, as the terrain references objects in the GermanyCE.cat, as well as several aircraft. There are no "naval units" needed for this. HOWEVER!!! SF2:V is REQUIRED, as the Skyraider is used in this mod. Hence, at minimum, a FUll-4 Merged install in required!!* This is part 1 of the incomplete "civil mod" as discussed on the CombatAce message boards. I've done, and gone, as far as I can, and instead of sitting on what I have, am uploading EVERYTHING in several parts in the hopes that someone will pick up the ball and run with it. A full civilian style flght sim may not even be possible, due to the game's central programing as a "combat flight sim", but you never know. These packages will be broken down into their various components, and will include the (incomplete) "Forest Bowl" terrain, aircraft, skins and decals, ground objects, what few "weapons" are needed, effects, sounds, and all. Basically, my entire "Civil" mods folder, minus the stock 3W combat aircraft and ground objects. Part 1 contains the following items: Effects Flight Menu Missions Sounds As always, (hopefully!) easy to follow, yet detailed install instructions are included. PLEASE read them!!! It is HIGHLY reccomended you download ALL the parts first, and then unzip them together in a temp folder to assemble. I've tried, as best as possible, to keep each part a managable size. You WILL be creating a seperate, stand-alone mods folder for this. If unsure how to build one, consult the CombatAce SF2 Knowledge Base. Good Luck! Wrench Kevin Stein Click here to download this file

that's cool!!

B-66 we've had for nearly ten years; should be several versions (and skins) in the download sections

ok, using Mue's tool, one can see 'bounding boxes', hit boxes, and all data inis call for the following min/max extensions (which I assume are the hit boxes? cause when I change them, the hit boxes move) collision points -- which, if I understand correctly, are the 'contact points' for collisions with The Ground ™ and other aircraft and the aforementioned bounding box -- which is exactly what?? some of the questions are: why can't I use the bounding box specs for a hit box, say for an engine. I tried that, and the "green hit box" (as seen in the lod viewer) doesn't show. if pictures would help, let me know...as I'll have to hide all but the relevant meshes (secret project, doncha know!) Setting these things up is a fracking nightmare!!! Would they be easier set in MAX by the modeler or what??

you mean the "save as info txt" function? it gives something like this...(just the first few lines) <Node Name> <Material ID> <Bounding Box> Fuselage 0 (-1.072,-2.168,-2.012) (1.068,4.184,0.6327) FORFuselage 0 (-1.066,4.184,-2.012) (1.062,9.743,0.6241) NOSE 0 (-0.9421,9.69,-2.009) (0.9389,10.96,0.216) NoseCone now, using these 2 sets of 3 co-ords, they can set the hit boxes (and I'll be needing to add 3 more component listings based on how the fuselage is broken up, but that's not a biggie. just have no aero statements) now the next big question: can these also be used for the collision points; as stated in the original data in, they're WAAAAAAAAAYY off from the mesh coordinates the numbers are, I hopefully assume, are the bounding boxes (I had 'show all BBs').. below is the screenie of the hit box on the engine nacelle, as using the bounding box numbers. looks good to me!!

I can categoricly state it is NOT a cetacean

good to see you back again Nick!! to the question posed.... I'm running at the July 2013, which is what level you'll be at if/when you decide to jump into SF2. They can't be purchased any other way from the 3rd Wire site. The good thing about that is, all the DLC items are set for use ONLY at he 7/13 patch (they won't install otherwise). what I'd start with, is all dependent on what you want to fly -- if you want carrier ops, SF2NA is must. It allows single missions off the boat (also on add-on terrains that have NA coding statements) But starting off, maybe SF2E, then plane jane SF2 (as many terrains still reference the items from the desert.cat), then SF2V and SF2I at the last. And don't forget Expansion Pack 1 & 2 that add a lot of goodies!

that's the beauty of the SF2 system -- you screw something up, save what isn't broke, and delete the rest. Then let the exe rebuild a new mods folder