Wrench

am sure there was some weapon call "throat busters" or something?

Now, now, this is a family site!!! Let's leave the p0rn0 stuff out!!

(she was probably thinking of Henry Prucell....but let's not go there)

Wrench

Kevin Stein

oi vey!!!....

now I'm gonna have Julie Andrew's voice stuck in my head all day!!!!!!

SgtKAR98: try this for the Stuka, and other WW2 German stuff:

open the data ini, and change the attachment type from WP (on Pasko's Stuka) to W_GERMANY

Try this for you Stuka's loadout:

[Attack]

Loadout[02].WeaponType=SC-500

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=SC-500

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

[sEAD]

Loadout[02].WeaponType=SC-250

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

[Anti-Ship]

Loadout[02].WeaponType=SC-250

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

Loadout[05].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[05].Quantity=1

Loadout[06].WeaponType=SC-50

Loadout[06].Quantity=1

Which Ta-183 needs fixing? the "A" figher or the "B" Jabo??

again, they need the W_GERMANY attachment.

The Natter carries no weapons other than a snoot full of unguided rockets (R4M??)

It makes me very nuts we've lost that...I had a whole section called "WW2 Nazi Germany Notes". Which, of course, I never saved anywhere.

The Skywarrior stand-in should take common, garden variety USN bombs. Unless, it's set as refueler. I'll have to d/l it and see. (believe it or not, I actualy don't have every single aircraft available!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

I did those as previews, oohhh so long ago (and far way) when word was released of them being worked on. Might need to clean them up, after the planes are (eventually) released.

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Kevin Stein

There, see how easy it is????

It really cracks me up as to how bent some folks get over something as simple to fix as loadouts.

Now, of course there's the name changes for Russkie stuff.....and that's for another post! (but that too, can be found via the weapons editor)

Wrench

Kevin Stein

First off, we're going to assume you've done the following:

"Download and install the weapons pak FIRST before beginning to edit the aircraft."

Your game installation, and getting ready to edit should pretty much follow this path:

1) Install game

2) Patch, if needed, to most current level

3) Download and Install weapons pak

4) Download and Install add-on aircraft, if desired.

5) Edit loadouts as needed, following the instructions given here, and the following posts

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Getting the right Air-to-Air missiles to show on 'Red Air' birds:

Most problems with Soviet/Warsaw Pact weapons not show up is usually a simple matter of replacing the nation name in the "AttachementType=" pointer in the Weapons Stations of the aircraft's data ini.

This is easily changed by opening the data ini of the aircraft in question, and replacing the stock designator with the correct nation.(it's a simple text edit)

ie: "WP" is replaced by "SOVIET"

Further, due to changes in the Weapons Pak itself, the NATO code name are no loger used for Soviet missiles.

Example:

NATO Name -

AA-2 Atoll

Soviet Designation -

R-13M

It should also be noted, that most of the air-to-ground weapons have also been changed; but this change mostly affects the guided munitions, not the iron bombs and rocket pods. They remain the same.

It is most important that the data and loadout inis have been extracted from the objects.cat by using the cat extraction tool, available here at CombatAce.

Instructions for it's usage are here in the Knowledge Base.

Now, as simple Rule of Thumb for Western Powers aircraft:

If the data in calls for NATO as the attachment type, and it is/was an American designed aircraft, you can change that to read "USAF" with a 99% certainty that the stock loadout is going to work.

There are, of course, excpetions to this rule. These would be country specific aircraft used by specific countries. Most notably, would be the Mirage series, they would need "FRANCE" as their attachment type, and adjustments of the loadout ini accordingly to match up with French weapons. RAF/RN aircraft DO have their own weapons (bombs, missles, etc), but it if was Made in the USA, you can get way with using USAF or USN weapons - this is most true with the Phantoms. All of these aircraft WILL be covered.

In further posts, I'll be listing aircraft or aircraft groups with the adjusted data ini sections and loadouts. Some of these posts will be getting pretty big, so I'll try to keep things tight and conscise. Question, comments and requests should be addressed to me or one of the moderators in the 'SF/WoV/WoE General Discussion' Forum

Happy Hunting!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

IT seem the Wiki has dropped beyond it's own event horizon, and is no longer part of our physical universe.

(ie: it's vanished!!)

USAFMTL has created a new thread here in the Knowledge Base, and I (and hopefully others) will beginto rebuild the database here.

I belive we'll start with the Fishbeds, as they seem the most popular.

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Well, hell....

Looks like we'll need to start the "Weapons Pak Loadouts and Data Ini Updates" thread in the KB.

Time to start the massive copy/paste work (damn, and I got applictions to fill out for jobs too!!)

Dave, start the thread and we'll get startd on it.

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Did you change ALL the years in ALL the sections??? (not just the single mission - coop, dogfight, whatever)

I've got mine set (for jet WoE from 1945 to 2050, with no problems.

EDIT:

Probably Vista screwing this up some how.

I didn't catch this first time around.

Didn't TK say there were issues with running in Vista???

Bet that's the kicker!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

And the Weapons Wiki's down too.

Rob didn't shut them down, did he?? (would he??)

And I was just updating more birds late last week...

Wrench

Kevin Stein

How hard can it be???

take an existing model (ie GBU24 as it has pretty much the right shap and size ie: like those used against the SCUD launchers at the mountain fortress)

edit the weapon's data using an exiting rocket propelled GBU (AGM-130 comes to mind) to match

rename said item to "AGM-149 Blue Parrot" (oh, wait, that was other bar in Casablanca).

The only problem I see is making sure the size is correct for the bays. 24's might be too long.

btw, anybody notice in the movie, when launched agains the scuds, and the camera follows along the bomb, the nose vanes were moving to steer it??? (watched it yesturday- again!!!)

the implosion bomb "probably" cannot be created, unless someone can tweek a Durandal maybe?? And to what purpose? Most of the weapons we have already more than do the job.

I'll spend a few hours on this, and see what develops

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Did you check the OUT file? It describes all the mesh names

Some guesswork, however, is still needed (ie: trial and error!)

Wrench

Kevin Stein

You mean this?

I want that bird skinned like Hawk Hunters, "The Wingman"!!!!!!!!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

I know they're not perfect, but there are a some tweeked Skyhawk pits for 17/17PF-PFU/19 and Su-9s both here at CA and at my site.

What I don't remember is, if I tweeked to pilot positions to get them more in line with the physical model. Guess I'll have to check and see.

I do remember is that they use the RP-22 style radar bmp from the PFU.

If you all want them, I'll check the pilot positon, and update the ones here at CA.

Again, while not perfect, they are quite a workable alternative.

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Fraking children!!!

I can remember when I turned 35....I think....

Happy Birthday Dave!!!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

(who in less than 2 weeks turns 50)

Use larger/multi purpose decals. (ie: like I did on the RAF mustangs, right and left side, with squadron letters/roundel/aircraft letter. like: GA o A as one) In that case, you need to make one for each side (r & l), and have them set to level=2

For a Navy/MC bird for example, you'd have the squadron tail code and aircraft number as one. Something like:

YZ

1234

Also, it seem lately that only 2 per mesh seem to work. Now, mind you, this seem to be the WW2 birds in WoE.

I do think something has changed since the last patch

Of course, in some cases in just easier to paint them directly on the skin involved. Expecially works well with the loviz types.

ot: hey Dave! how you doing?? Everything ok?

I know all about surgeries...have been sliced open twice in the last few years (groin hernia and naval hernia). take it easy, and get healed soon!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Been there, done that.

Well, at least for Fighters Anthology.....

That's the thing I really miss in the SF series...a good, built in mission editor ala FA. And a way to write individual mission briefings, that each carries the storyline along.

sigh....those were the days

Warbirds, Force of Eagles, Firebreak (started and never finished Dark Wing)

Flight of the Old Dog

the first 6 Wingman novels.....

the great heydays of mission buildings.....

Wrench

Kevin Stein

No difference, still uses the A-4B pit. (open the Mig-15bis.ini, and you'll see the pointer "CockpitDataFile=A-4B_Cockpit.ini")

So, unless Fubar wants to cut loose with the modded Fitter pit...

(or, at least tell us what's needed to tweek it :) )

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Not "might", WILL overwrite.

You need seperate installs for YAP and NF; otherwise problems will ensue.

While not truly incompatable, they are designed (especially NATO Fighters), as stand alone units. (the NF readme states this pretty clearly)

So,you need :

1) install of WoV for Yap and

2) install of WoE for NF.

{can't say about merged installs, as when I 1st installed WoE, for some reason it never asked me. Let me tell you, it was mind-bogglingly difficult to copy/paste the VietnamSEA terrain folder into WoE! }

I've got something between 9-12 installs for all the games (SF,WoE,WoV and FE). Modded, unmodded, test installs (for weapons tweeking), theatre and era specific, etc

IT's the only way to fly!!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

Have Toko Ri on both VHS & DVD.

You'll find a 'Brubaker' and 'Cag Lee' pilot figures on my site, as well.

Wrench

Kevin Stein

EAW maybe??? Or CFS 1??

Never knew anybody'd made the bird. Interesting to see

Wrench

Kevin Stein

It's probably using all the old name and attachment types.

Go here F9F-5 Page at the Weapons Wiki for updated data and loadout ini information.

A few quick tweeks, and you're off bombing Commies

Wrench

Kevin Stein

And absolutely positively, MUST have the WW2 nations ini in the flight folder!!!!!!

Wrench

Kevin Stein

There are no drop tanks for the Panthers -- they're part of the wing structure (the tip tanks), and are not jettisonable.

Are you saying you can't load ANY weapons? (it only carries bombs and HVARs)

The -5P is a recce bird, and carries NO weapons.

Wrench

kevin stein

In the SF d/ls section, you'll find MK2's repaints of the Skyhawk pit for use with the Migs (etc). There's a green and a black dashboard version.

The only problem with that is, it uses the stock A-4B cockpit ini, which puts the pilot in the wrong place.

What I've done (kinda experimenting with upgrading them a little) is the following:

1) Extract the A-4B_cockpit.ini

2) Place in (this case,) the MiG-15s folder.

3) Rename to "Mig15_cockpit.ini"

4) Make sure the pointer in the MiG-15bis.ini points to your new cockpit ini (ie:CockpitDataFile=Mig15_cockpit.ini)

5) Adjust pilot position as follows:

(you may wish to copy/paste the following date OVER the existing lines in your new cockpit ini)

[CockpitSeat001]

ModelName=a-4b_cockpit

Offset=0.0,-0.08,-0.03

Position=0.0,1.437,0.658

ViewAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

MaxYaw=152

MinYaw=-152

MaxPitch=90

MinPitchFront=-43

MinPitchRear=-20

LightRange=1.5

LightInnerConeAngle=43

LightOuterConeAngle=60

LightAngles=0.0,-35.0,0.0

DiffuseLightFactor=0.5

NightLightOn=0.55

you'll notice it's been move more towards the center, based on pilot position in the data ini. Also, I've turned the light one earlier (NightLightOn= line -- thats a Moonjumper fix, btw). That should get you pretty close to the actual physical position you see on the outside view. Feel free to tweek/adjust/fine tune the pilot position you your liking.

I also have a new soviet gunsight for it too, and if anyone is interested, I'll upload it. That way, you ain't stuck using the USN Mk.8.

Wrench

Kevin Stein