New FM for Mirage F1?

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

This plane is great, but it behaves very strange, the input of the stick is not the output of the rudders and elevators. it seems those inputs are inverted. Is there an updated FM out??

[gerald14 0]

BlackBird I'll try to update the planes but if I am not busy make new migs and updating their FM's.

[Guest Saganuay82]

Hey there 76, post the

 

 

[AircraftData]

EmptyMass=6866.00

EmptyInertia=44711.2,10996.49,55707.69

ReferenceArea=25.00

ReferenceSpan=8.4

ReferenceLength=15.30

CGPosition= <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< That line

 

From your data.ini

 

Just curious.

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Ok here it is... rom the F-1C the other F-1`s have the same prob...

 

[AircraftData]

EmptyMass=7400.00

EmptyInertia=62852.38,9015.69,71868.07

ReferenceArea=25.00

ReferenceSpan=8.4

ReferenceLength=15.30

CGPosition=0.00,0.00,0.00

Component[001]=Fuselage

Component[002]=Nose

Component[003]=LeftWing

Component[004]=RightWing

Component[005]=LeftStab

Component[006]=RightStab

Component[007]=VertTail

Component[008]=LeftOuterWing

Component[009]=RightOuterWing

 

[Fuselage]

ModelNodeName=fuselage_middle

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

CLa=0.1024

CD0=0.0075

Cmq=-0.3723

Cmad=0.0045

Cyb=-0.1014

CLaMachTableNumData=4

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,0.782

CD0MachTableNumData=7

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=0.982,1.000,1.059,2.536,2.054,1.830,1.671

CmqMachTableNumData=4

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,23.468

MaxExtentPosition=-0.6,1.0,0.7

MinExtentPosition= 0.5,-7.3,-0.4

CollisionPoint[001]= 0.94, 2.73,-0.54

CollisionPoint[002]=-0.94, 2.73,-0.54

CollisionPoint[003]= 0.75, 2.73, 0.30

CollisionPoint[004]=-0.75, 2.73, 0.30

CollisionPoint[005]= 0.00,-6.88,-0.41

CollisionPoint[006]= 0.00,-6.88, 0.38

CollisionPoint[007]= 0.59,-6.88,-0.24

CollisionPoint[008]=-0.59,-6.88,-0.24

DamageRating=DESTROYED

SystemName[001]=Engine

SystemName[002]=CenterlineStation

SystemName[003]=Airbrake_R

SystemName[004]=Airbrake_L

SystemName[005]=FwdUpperFuelCell

SystemName[006]=FwdLowerFuelCell

SystemName[007]=IntermediateFuelCell

SystemName[008]=AftFuelCell

SystemName[009]=Canopy

SystemName[010]=AirTake

SystemName[011]=LeftMainGear

SystemName[012]=RightMainGear

SystemName[013]=CenterlineStationbis

 

[Nose]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=Nose

ShowFromCockpit=FALSE

DamageRating=DESTROYED

MassFraction=0.235

HasAeroCoefficients=FALSE

MaxExtentPosition=-0.45,7.5,0.7

MinExtentPosition= 0.45,1.0,-0.42

CollisionPoint[001]= 0.37,8.00,-0.84

CollisionPoint[002]=-0.37,8.00,-0.84

CollisionPoint[003]=-0.43,8.06,-0.23

CollisionPoint[004]=-0.43,8.06,-0.23

CollisionPoint[005]= 0.00,4.04, 1.09

SystemName[001]=InternalGun1

SystemName[002]=InternalGun2

SystemName[003]=Pilot

SystemName[004]=NoseGear

SystemName[005]=Perche

SystemName[006]=BottomFuselageLight

SystemName[007]=TopFuselageLight

 

[LeftWing]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=LeftWing

DestroyedNodeName=LWdamaged

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DESTROYED

MassFraction=0.111

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CLa=0.4820

CD0=0.0013

CDL=0.0014

Cmq=-0.2178

Cmad=0.0121

Cyb=-0.0205

Clb=-0.0806

Clp=-0.0583

Clr=0.0152

Cnb=-0.1262

Cnp=0.0020

Cnr=-0.0038

CLaMachTableNumData=4

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=0.993,1.000,1.022,1.096

CD0MachTableNumData=7

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.818,1.000,1.042,2.339,1.566,1.308,1.164

CDLAlphaTableNumData=15

CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CDLAlphaTableData=49.000,36.000,25.000,16.000,9.000,4.000,1.000,0.000,1.000,4.000,9.000,16.000,25.000,36.000,49.000

CmqMachTableNumData=4

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.865,1.000,1.918,-4.332

ClbAlphaTableNumData=15

ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClbAlphaTableData=-1.300,-1.012,-0.725,-0.437,-0.150,0.138,0.425,0.713,1.000,1.287,1.575,1.862,2.150,2.437,2.725

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClpAlphaTableData=1.808,1.589,1.404,1.252,1.135,1.050,1.000,0.983,1.000,1.050,1.135,1.252,1.404,1.589,1.808

ClrAlphaTableNumData=15

ClrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClrAlphaTableData=-7.000,-6.000,-5.000,-4.000,-3.000,-2.000,-1.000,0.000,1.000,2.000,3.000,4.000,5.000,6.000,7.000

CnpAlphaTableNumData=15

CnpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnpAlphaTableData=-16.542,-11.824,-8.264,-5.607,-3.635,-2.157,-1.000,0.000,1.000,2.157,3.635,5.607,8.264,11.824,16.542

CnrAlphaTableNumData=15

CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnrAlphaTableData=40.808,30.026,20.904,13.440,7.635,3.488,1.000,0.171,1.000,3.488,7.635,13.440,20.904,30.026,40.808

XacMachTableNumData=4

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

XacMachTableData=0.426,0.434,0.496,-0.048

CheckStall=TRUE

CLmax=0.3501

AlphaStall=34.58

AlphaMax=42.53

AlphaDepart=49.40

Ymac=-1.16

MaxExtentPosition= -2.0,-3.5,0.4

MinExtentPosition= -0.5,0.5,0.8

CollisionPoint[001]=-3.93,-0.65,-0.53

CollisionPoint[002]=-2.50,-3.03,-0.53

SystemName[001]=LeftFlap

SystemName[002]=LeftWingStation2

SystemName[003]=LeftSlat

SystemName[004]=LeftWingFuelCell

SystemName[005]=LeftSpoiler

SystemName[006]=LeftWingStation2bis

 

[RightWing]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=RightWing

DestroyedNodeName=RWDamaged

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DESTROYED

MassFraction=0.111

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CLa=0.4820

CD0=0.0013

CDL=0.0014

Cmq=-0.2178

Cmad=0.0121

Cyb=-0.0205

Clb=-0.0806

Clp=-0.0583

Clr=0.0152

Cnb=-0.1262

Cnp=0.0020

Cnr=-0.0038

CLaMachTableNumData=4

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=0.993,1.000,1.022,1.096

CD0MachTableNumData=7

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.818,1.000,1.042,2.339,1.566,1.308,1.164

CDLAlphaTableNumData=15

CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CDLAlphaTableData=49.000,36.000,25.000,16.000,9.000,4.000,1.000,0.000,1.000,4.000,9.000,16.000,25.000,36.000,49.000

CmqMachTableNumData=4

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.865,1.000,1.918,-4.332

ClbAlphaTableNumData=15

ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClbAlphaTableData=-1.300,-1.012,-0.725,-0.437,-0.150,0.138,0.425,0.713,1.000,1.287,1.575,1.862,2.150,2.437,2.725

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClpAlphaTableData=1.808,1.589,1.404,1.252,1.135,1.050,1.000,0.983,1.000,1.050,1.135,1.252,1.404,1.589,1.808

ClrAlphaTableNumData=15

ClrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClrAlphaTableData=-7.000,-6.000,-5.000,-4.000,-3.000,-2.000,-1.000,0.000,1.000,2.000,3.000,4.000,5.000,6.000,7.000

CnpAlphaTableNumData=15

CnpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnpAlphaTableData=-16.542,-11.824,-8.264,-5.607,-3.635,-2.157,-1.000,0.000,1.000,2.157,3.635,5.607,8.264,11.824,16.542

CnrAlphaTableNumData=15

CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnrAlphaTableData=40.808,30.026,20.904,13.440,7.635,3.488,1.000,0.171,1.000,3.488,7.635,13.440,20.904,30.026,40.808

XacMachTableNumData=4

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

XacMachTableData=0.426,0.434,0.496,-0.048

CheckStall=TRUE

CLmax=0.3501

AlphaStall=34.58

AlphaMax=42.53

AlphaDepart=49.40

Ymac=1.16

MaxExtentPosition= 2.0,-3.5,0.4

MinExtentPosition= 0.5,0.5,0.8

CollisionPoint[001]=3.93,-0.65,-0.53

CollisionPoint[002]=2.50,-3.03,-0.53

SystemName[001]=RightFlap

SystemName[002]=RightWingStation2

SystemName[003]=RightSlat

SystemName[004]=RightWingFuelCell

SystemName[005]=RightSpoiler

SystemName[006]=RightWingStation2bis

 

[LeftOuterWing]

ParentComponentName=LeftWing

ModelNodeName=LeftOuterWing

DestroyedNodeName=LOWdamaged

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DISABLED

MassFraction=0.037

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CL0=0.0350

CLa=0.7643

CD0=0.0009

CDL=0.0035

Cmq=-0.1393

Cmad=-0.0306

Clb=0.0270

Clp=-0.0699

Clr=0.0428

Cnb=0.0758

Cnp=0.0037

Cnr=-0.0057

CL0MachTableNumData=4

CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CL0MachTableStartX=0.00

CL0MachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.113,1.194

CLaMachTableNumData=4

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=0.959,1.000,1.158,1.244

CD0MachTableNumData=4

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.533,1.000,1.047,15.740

CDLAlphaTableNumData=15

CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CDLAlphaTableData=23.619,17.016,11.491,7.045,3.678,1.390,0.181,0.051,1.000,3.028,6.134,10.320,15.585,21.928,29.350

CmqMachTableNumData=4

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.880,1.000,1.948,11.929

ClbAlphaTableNumData=15

ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClbAlphaTableData=0.117,0.227,0.338,0.448,0.559,0.669,0.779,0.890,1.000,1.110,1.221,1.331,1.441,1.552,1.662

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClpAlphaTableData=9.577,7.132,5.078,3.418,2.149,1.273,0.790,0.699,1.000,1.694,2.780,4.259,6.130,8.393,11.049

ClrAlphaTableNumData=15

ClrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClrAlphaTableData=-4.833,-4.104,-3.375,-2.646,-1.917,-1.187,-0.458,0.271,1.000,1.729,2.458,3.187,3.917,4.646,5.375

CnpAlphaTableNumData=15

CnpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnpAlphaTableData=-90.333,-56.223,-32.643,-17.241,-8.000,-3.136,-1.025,-0.141,1.000,3.886,10.060,21.173,39.048,65.757,103.727

CnrAlphaTableNumData=15

CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnrAlphaTableData=16.448,11.706,7.767,4.631,2.298,0.769,0.043,0.120,1.000,2.683,5.170,8.460,12.553,17.450,23.149

XacMachTableNumData=4

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

XacMachTableData=-0.263,-0.264,-0.294,-0.859

CheckStall=TRUE

CLmax=0.4904

AlphaStall=16.15

AlphaMax=22.04

AlphaDepart=28.92

Ymac=-2.12

MaxExtentPosition=-4.0,-4.0,0.4

MinExtentPosition=-2.1,-1.0,0.7

CollisionPoint[001]=-6.64,-3.74,-0.53

CollisionPoint[002]=-6.61,-5.14,-0.53

HasVortexEmitter=TRUE

VortexEmitterName=WingtipVortexEmitter

VortexPosition=-4.0,-3.8,0.55

VortexG=2.5

SystemName[001]=LeftAileron

SystemName[002]=SidewinderStation2

SystemName[003]=LeftWingStation1

SystemName[004]=LeftOuterSlat

SystemName[005]=LeftPositionLight

SystemName[006]=LeftOuterFlap

SystemName[007]=LeftOuterSpoiler

SystemName[008]=LeftPositionLight2

SystemName[009]=LeftWingStationSide1

 

 

[RightOuterWing]

ParentComponentName=RightWing

ModelNodeName=RightOuterWing

DestroyedNodeName=ROWdamaged

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DISABLED

MassFraction=0.037

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CL0=0.0350

CLa=0.7643

CD0=0.0009

CDL=0.0035

Cmq=-0.1393

Cmad=-0.0306

Clb=0.0270

Clp=-0.0699

Clr=0.0428

Cnb=0.0758

Cnp=0.0037

Cnr=-0.0057

CL0MachTableNumData=4

CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CL0MachTableStartX=0.00

CL0MachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.113,1.194

CLaMachTableNumData=4

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=0.959,1.000,1.158,1.244

CD0MachTableNumData=4

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.533,1.000,1.047,15.740

CDLAlphaTableNumData=15

CDLAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CDLAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CDLAlphaTableData=23.619,17.016,11.491,7.045,3.678,1.390,0.181,0.051,1.000,3.028,6.134,10.320,15.585,21.928,29.350

CmqMachTableNumData=4

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.880,1.000,1.948,11.929

ClbAlphaTableNumData=15

ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClbAlphaTableData=0.117,0.227,0.338,0.448,0.559,0.669,0.779,0.890,1.000,1.110,1.221,1.331,1.441,1.552,1.662

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClpAlphaTableData=9.577,7.132,5.078,3.418,2.149,1.273,0.790,0.699,1.000,1.694,2.780,4.259,6.130,8.393,11.049

ClrAlphaTableNumData=15

ClrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClrAlphaTableData=-4.833,-4.104,-3.375,-2.646,-1.917,-1.187,-0.458,0.271,1.000,1.729,2.458,3.187,3.917,4.646,5.375

CnpAlphaTableNumData=15

CnpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnpAlphaTableData=-90.333,-56.223,-32.643,-17.241,-8.000,-3.136,-1.025,-0.141,1.000,3.886,10.060,21.173,39.048,65.757,103.727

CnrAlphaTableNumData=15

CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnrAlphaTableData=16.448,11.706,7.767,4.631,2.298,0.769,0.043,0.120,1.000,2.683,5.170,8.460,12.553,17.450,23.149

XacMachTableNumData=4

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

XacMachTableData=-0.263,-0.264,-0.294,-0.859

CheckStall=TRUE

CLmax=0.4904

AlphaStall=16.15

AlphaMax=22.04

AlphaDepart=28.92

Ymac=2.12

MaxExtentPosition=4.0,-4.0,0.4

MinExtentPosition=2.1,-1.0,0.7

CollisionPoint[001]=6.64,-3.74,-0.53

CollisionPoint[002]=6.61,-5.14,-0.53

HasVortexEmitter=TRUE

VortexEmitterName=WingtipVortexEmitter

VortexPosition=4.0,-3.8,0.55

VortexG=2.5

SystemName[001]=RightAileron

SystemName[002]=SidewinderStation1

SystemName[003]=RightWingStation1

SystemName[004]=RightOuterSlat

SystemName[005]=RightPositionLight

SystemName[006]=RightOuterFlap

SystemName[007]=RightOuterSpoiler

SystemName[008]=RightPositionLight2

SystemName[009]=RightWingStationSide1

 

[VertTail]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=VertTail

DestroyedNodeName=VTdamaged

ShowFromCockpit=TRUE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DESTROYED

MassFraction=0.058

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

CD0=0.0009

Cyb=-0.3848

Cyp=0.0285

Cyr=0.4093

Clb=-0.0007

Clr=0.0008

Cnb=0.2046

Cnp=-0.0152

Cnr=-1.1912

CD0MachTableNumData=5

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.861,1.000,1.007,2.052,2.075

ClbAlphaTableNumData=15

ClbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClbAlphaTableData=146.829,130.212,433.298,334.687,240.272,148.968,60.124,20.214,1.000,-18.219,-37.349,-56.297,-74.970,-93.279,-111.133

ClrAlphaTableNumData=15

ClrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClrAlphaTableData=124.236,114.749,103.028,89.302,73.837,56.936,38.927,20.159,1.000,-18.179,-37.004,-55.109,-72.141,-87.769,-101.689

CnbAlphaTableNumData=15

CnbAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnbAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnbAlphaTableData=0.846,0.881,0.912,0.938,0.960,0.977,0.990,0.997,1.000,0.998,0.991,0.979,0.962,0.941,0.915

CnpAlphaTableNumData=15

CnpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnpAlphaTableData=-5.576,-5.045,-4.403,-3.660,-2.833,-1.935,-0.985,0.000,1.000,1.996,2.968,3.898,4.767,5.558,6.255

CnrAlphaTableNumData=15

CnrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

CnrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

CnrAlphaTableData=0.131,0.142,0.401,0.557,0.696,0.818,0.922,1.006,1.000,0.973,0.856,0.720,0.565,0.392,0.153

MaxExtentPosition= 0.08,-2.98,3.57

MinExtentPosition= -0.08,-5.07,0.44

CollisionPoint[001]= 0.00,-7.13,3.59

CollisionPoint[002]= 0.00,-7.99,3.52

SystemName[001]=Rudder

SystemName[002]=TailLightLeft

SystemName[003]=TailLightRight

 

[LeftStab]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=LeftStab

DestroyedNodeName=LSdamaged

//ModelNodeName=LSdamaged

//DestroyedNodeName=LeftStab

ShowFromCockpit=FALSE

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DISABLED

MassFraction=0.012

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CL0=-0.0108

CLa=0.1685

CD0=0.0007

Cmq=-1.7825

Cmad=-0.8818

Cyb=-0.0109

Clp=-0.0025

Cnb=0.0055

CL0MachTableNumData=5

CL0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CL0MachTableStartX=0.00

CL0MachTableData=0.986,1.000,1.037,1.020,0.851

CLaMachTableNumData=5

CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=1.001,1.000,0.979,0.910,0.938

CD0MachTableNumData=5

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

CD0MachTableData=1.825,1.000,1.028,2.494,2.773

CmqMachTableNumData=5

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.107,1.261,0.873

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

ClpAlphaTableData=1.474,1.361,1.264,1.182,1.115,1.063,1.027,1.006,1.000,1.009,1.034,1.074,1.129,1.200,1.285

XacMachTableNumData=5

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

XacMachTableData=-5.756,-5.764,-5.785,-6.117,-6.236

QrAlphaTableNumData=15

QrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

QrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

QrAlphaTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.899

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MovingSurface=TRUE

ControlSystemID=1

MaxExtentPosition= -2.2,-7.5,0.15

MinExtentPosition= -0.75,-5.0,0.5

CollisionPoint[001]=-0.75,-5.00,-0.15

CollisionPoint[002]=-2.20,-7.50,-0.15

DummyComponent=TRUE

ReverseModelOrientation=TRUE

SystemName[001]=LeftStabilizer

 

[RightStab]

ParentComponentName=Fuselage

ModelNodeName=RightStab

DestroyedNodeName=RSdamaged

//ModelNodeName=RSdamaged

//DestroyedNodeName=RightStab

ShowFromCockpit=False

DetachWhenDestroyed=TRUE

DamageRating=DISABLED

MassFraction=0.012

HasAeroCoefficients=TRUE

LiftSurface=TRUE

CL0=-0.0108

CLa=0.1685

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Cmq=-1.7825

Cmad=-0.8818

Cyb=-0.0109

Clp=-0.0025

Cnb=0.0055

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CL0MachTableStartX=0.00

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CLaMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CLaMachTableStartX=0.00

CLaMachTableData=1.001,1.000,0.979,0.910,0.938

CD0MachTableNumData=5

CD0MachTableDeltaX=0.40

CD0MachTableStartX=0.00

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CmqMachTableNumData=5

CmqMachTableDeltaX=0.40

CmqMachTableStartX=0.00

CmqMachTableData=0.971,1.000,1.107,1.261,0.873

ClpAlphaTableNumData=15

ClpAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

ClpAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

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XacMachTableNumData=5

XacMachTableDeltaX=0.40

XacMachTableStartX=0.00

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QrAlphaTableDeltaX=4.00

QrAlphaTableStartX=-28.00

QrAlphaTableData=1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,1.000,0.899

Ymac=1.21

MovingSurface=TRUE

ControlSystemID=1

MaxExtentPosition=2.2,-7.5,0.15

MinExtentPosition=0.75,-5.0,0.5

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CollisionPoint[002]=2.20,-7.50,-0.15

DummyComponent=TRUE

ReverseModelOrientation=FALSE

SystemName[001]=RightStabilizer

Edited April 12, 2007 by 76.IAP-Blackbird

[Guest Saganuay82]

Nope, what I was looking for was the CG positon that I show you in my post. In the F1, it was not set to all zeros. I found that if it wasn't set to all zeros the plane would fly badly.

 

What do you mean? "the input of the stick is not the output of the rudders and elevators." Your controls are backwards? You pull up and you dive?

[+Gunrunner 314]

Sag, I already found the problem with the Mirage F1 and posted it on C6.

 

I'll repost the english part here, it doesn't mean the F1 doesn't deserve a new and better FM, but at least you can fly it without the added roll :

 

Doesn't work for me (with Hard FM), after a few trials and before looking at the .INI I note the following :

 

1) Ground instability is only induced by the boucing, when boucing stops the plane doesn't deviate right or left (except at speeds high enough for aerodynamics to kick in).

2) In-flight instability is linked to the presence of wintips missiles at take off (with missiles there is an extra right roll, without the plane is stable).

3) The roll is not linked to the type of missiles used, it happens with Sidewinders and Magics.

4) Even after firing the missiles, the roll persists.

5) Moving the GC of the F.1C200 doesn't change a thing for the right roll.

6) The Mirage F.1C (v1.6) has exactly the same problem.

 

After looking at the .INI :

1) Bouncing is only due to the gear shock and spring factors and could be easily corrected by copying the values from the Mirage F.1C (v1.6), but it doesn't change a thing for the aerodynamic roll.

2) Aerodynamic data for both versions are identical except for the GC position (in reality the Mirage F.1C200 is longer by 7cm, a tad heavier and his GC is slightly different).

 

Hypothesis :

Missile rails have an adverse aerodynamic effect.

After checking the appropriate .INI section, I find this :

 

[sidewinderStation1]

[...]

PylonDragArea=0.04

[...]

 

[sidewinderStation2]

[...]

PylonDragArea=0.02

[...]

 

And guess what, after correction (I set both values at 0.03) on both versions...

The damn things are flying straight whatever the payload.

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Ok, that was one of the things.. thx for corrections!! The other one is, when you look at the rudder on both wings (outsideview F5 ist the best) and move the stick from left to right and back and again.. look at the animation of the rudder.. It doesn`t look right cause the one side behaves like the other one.. it`s nor invers.. Ok it might be nutpickin... Can I change this with ini corrections too?? or do I need "reanimate" it???

[+Gunrunner 314]

So, if I understand correctly... the plane react aerodynamically in the right way to the inputs... BUT there is an animation problem, some aerodynamic surfaces moving when they shouldn't ?

 

I must say I never noticed it and won't be able to test it until sunday.

 

I'm also confused by the terminology you're using...

 

What to you is the rudder (the rudder is not influenced at all by the stick, it's the moving part of the vertical stab, you use your feet to move it) ?

Just in case, a quick and simplified view of the controls/aerodynamics of the F1 :

Yaw is controlled by your feet, it moves the rudder on the vertical stab.

Roll is controlled by moving the stick right/left, it moves the ailerons on the wings.

Pitch is controlled by moving the stick up/down, it moves the stabs.

Stabs AFAIR always move identically.

 

From what I gather you're speaking of either the stabs or the ailerons.

One thing to know with the Mirage F1 (IIRC) is that unlike some other planes, the stabs are only used to control pitch, and not roll. The ailerons are used for roll.

 

If by moving the stick you are slightly moving up or down in addition to left/right, it would move both the ailerons and stabs giving the impression that something IS wrong with the stabs when it is not.

 

If you are speaking of the ailerons and they are always moving identically on both wings whichever side you're rolling, then something is seriously wrong.

And probably with the animation since the ini you posted seems ok.

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Ah damn this happens when you use more than 4 languages in 5 mins, you confuse yourself.. I mean the ailerons on the wings.<---- that`s right the plane now behaves right after the corrections of the drag on the sidewinderstations. But the animation isn`t right of the ailerons...

 

The input and output in the game is right only the animations seems to be incorrect that`s all. I thought the instability hast something to do with with those animations.. but now all is repaired and the bird fliys straight...

 

Thx for your patience!!!

[Guest Saganuay82]

OK, well I'll try that pylon fix for the F1. Set it to 0.03? I'll try it on my modded CT.

 

For all concerned, I wouldn't bother putting much more work into this model. The Mirage factory is working on a new F1 Mirage. Should take away all of your problems.

[+Gunrunner 314]

No trouble, I just wanted to be sure I understood the problem.

 

I'll post the problem on the C6 forums in case anyone has an idea or BPAO has a quick answer.

 

BTW, is the animation problem present on both variants, or only on one, which version are you using (strangely the v1.5 is the most common on the net but there is a v1.6 at Column5 which corrects a few problems) ?

 

Sag>

The value for the drag area is not that important as long as both pylon have the same, I chose 0.03 because it added to the same total drag area while being balanced.

Given the somewhat perfectionnist nature of the MF nowadays, it might be some time before a release of the new F1...

Edited April 12, 2007 by Gunrunner

[Guest Saganuay82]

Works great, I can just tap the nose up now on take off and it will climb and I can watch it from the tower. Amazing how a pylon drag can affect the aircraft that much. I remember the problem with the CG was that if it wasn't all at zeros that when you pulled up you would have a bad slewing with the tail section like it was over weighted.

 

It looks good over the new desert tiles and the Target Zone has so much more to hit. Target that time was a comm tower on top of a mountain.

 

[+NeverEnough 78]

It's great to hear the Mirage Factory is working on a new Mirage F1. I really love the lines on the F1, and adding the Kfir cockpit kicks it up a notch.

Thanks for the trouble-shooting on the FM fixes!

Edited April 12, 2007 by NeverEnough

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

The animation issue is on all models, I think I use the v1.5.. have a C and a C200 I made from the C200 an EM Version for the spain AF.. and I use a Mirage III Pit!

 

@Sag where can I find this great skin??? saw some Pics and like it!!!

Edited April 12, 2007 by 76.IAP-Blackbird

[Guest Saganuay82]

Thanks, I never uploaded it.

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Can you please upload it here at CA... ?? And wich Pit fits better? the one from the Kfir or from Mirage III??? Would be cool to know it cause I want to modify it and resave this bird as a finished one.... have my own libary here

[Guest Saganuay82]

At C6 there was a thread on the CT. A guy I think had a link there for a CT that he had made. He was using the SuE pit and it had the modern avionics with it.

 

Send me a PM and I'll send you the skin.

[+Typhoid 231]

I noticed the controls on the F-1 were off too. It didn't act right.

 

that doesn't mean that if you rolled left it didn't, etc., it means that it was very unstable and did not respond as an aircraft should.

 

on my system I tweaked the ailerons and that smoothed it out some using some other Mirage's as a guide.

 

its still not quite right, but acceptable.

 

a new FM or substantially reworked one would be nice.

[JediMaster 451]

He almost made it sound like the ailerons weren't moving differentially but linked. So that for instance, push stick left and BOTH went up, push stick right and BOTH went down.

[+Gunrunner 314]

Typhoid> The only real problems with the FM are the pylon drag (inducing a left roll when wingtips rails are present) and the CG (which tends to make it harder to fly but not in my opinion "vicious").

Solutions to both problems are in this thread

 

Jedi Master> That's exactly what Blackbird means, but only as far as animation is concerned.

[Fubar512 1,350]

Typhoid> The only real problems with the FM are the pylon drag (inducing a left roll when wingtips rails are present) and the CG (which tends to make it harder to fly but not in my opinion "vicious").

Solutions to both problems are in this thread

 

And now, an important message from one of our sponsers

 

To all noobs and aspiring virtual aerodynamicists.... when someone mentions that flight characteristics are inaccurate or poor because of the model's COG (center of gravity) being off, they hopefully know enough not to start playing with this value, which is in the aircraft data section of the model's data.ini file:

 

CGPosition=0.00,-1.00,0.00

 

For all intents and purposes, this value effects the model only when it sits on its landing gear, and has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on the model's flight dynamics. Anyone who tells you otherwise is sadly mistaken, and should not be listened to.

 

Thank You...this has been a public service message from the Mod Mafia

[Guest Saganuay82]

Well when its set to zero and it works. Go figure.

[Fubar512 1,350]

Well when its set to zero and it works. Go figure.

 

It doesn't matter what it was or is set to in a particular model. I'm speaking in general.

 

Too many people have approached me and made statements such as "well, the model felt nose heavy (pitch axis), so I set the center of gravity back and now it's OK." When they say something like that, I know that they're seriously full of crap, and I have no qualms about telling them so.

 

What they're seeking can only be adjusted by changing the CL0 or CLA values of the wings and stabs (or in the case of a delta wing, the elevons). In essence, the interrelationship between the two surfaces is what determines pitch.

 

To prove this to yourself, set the COG of the model to some ludicrous value. such as -6, and try starting on the ground. The model will probably stand on its tail and explode. Then with the same COG settings, start in the air and tell me with a straight face that you've noticed any difference between that and what the model was set to in the first place.

[Guest Saganuay82]

Well yes, thats true. I haven't yet seen any tutorials on the aerodynamics of this game. I was shown some Excel programs for it and put them away. Not for me. Biggest part is that people do not know what they are looking at in the data.ini and what the values are for.

 

If someone would take a data.ini and add text to it to show what the parts of the aerodynamics mean, maybe some would get answers and some would get more confused but I know I would like to know what a CL0 or a CLA is and all the rest of those values are for in the ini.

 

As for this model of the Mirage F1C-200, the F1C is set at all zeros and it works fine the F1C-200 was set to 0.00,0.75,0.00. That didn't work well.

 

I know working with the Vautour that we need more FM makers in this community. Too bad we didn't have people in here that were willing to instruct the ways of the FM. Perhaps we as a community could find recruits.

[+Gunrunner 314]

Mmmm Fubar that was sooooo nice...

I do admit my last post IS misleading...

 

The facts are the following concerning the CG :

- People had problems with one of the F1 but not the other

- CG is placed differently in each version

- As Sag discovered, displacing the CG solves the problems they were having

 

Both Sag and I, separately applied the same method to correct a perceived FM problem, we checked the INIs for obvious differences, changed them, and tested them to see if they corrected the perceived problem, which they did.

 

So yes, I should have been more circonspect when describing a problem I never experienced myself, anyway, what would that have changed ?

You would have tried to ridicule Sag instead of myself, what would that have achieved anyway ?

Was the goal to make sure that noone except yourself and a few select ones would dare trying to meddle with the game, lest they end up ridiculed when their empiric methods end up producing a result that you wouldn't expect working ?

 

 

 

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