Crusaders? (Planes and Skins)

[+Gocad 26]

Go with Snoopy. More fun with him than without. ;)

 

Second.

[+Dave 2,322]

Is you tail decal the same through out? ie one decal is the rudder with stars etc etc along with the serial?

[+Corktip_14 0]

Nevermind guys, Sony teached me that ther is a function "reverse=true", so it's working fine!!

[+Corktip_14 0]

IT'S OUT GUYS!!!

 

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Part II to come soon, stay tuned!

[Badfrank 5]

About the USMC Squadrons:

(more Info here

 

VMF(AW)-212 "Lancers"

 

 

VMF(AW)-212 came into being on 1 July 1964 at MCAS Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, when VMF-212 transitioned to the F-8D and was redesignated an all-weather squadron. In January 1965 the squadron once received F-8E?s, in preparation for the Marines? only F-8 combat carrier cruise, which lasted from April to December 1965 aboard the USS Oriskany. The commander of Oriskany's Air Wing, the "CAG", was Cdr. Jim Stockdale who was shot down and became one of the most famous of the POW's. The commander of VMF(AW)-212, Lt. Col. Chuck Ludden, was the next senior aviator and, as such, became the acting "CAG". He finished the cruise commanding Air Wing 16, it is believed that he is the only Marine to ever command a Naval Air Wing. After return to MCAS Kaneohe Bay the squadron reverted back to flying F-8D?s until 1 March 1968 when F-4 Phantom II?s replaced the Crusader. Currently flying the F/A-18 Hornet. Tailcode: WD (the squadron retained its own tailcode while attached to USS Oriskany?s air wing).

 

 

VMF(AW)-232 "Red Devils"

 

 

Marine All Weather Fighter Squadron Two Three Two was established at MCAS Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, on 1 March 1965 from a redesignated VMF-232, the change in designation reflecting the (limited) all-weather capabilities of the F-8D. By December 1966 the squadron had converted to the bomb-capable F-8E and had deployed to Da Nang AB in Vietnam. This deployment lasted until 30 August 1967, after which the squadron moved to MCAS El Toro, California, arriving on 1 September. Seven days later VMF(AW)-232 was redesignated VMFA-232 and F-4 Phantom II?s replaced the Crusaders. Currently flying the F/A-18 Hornet. Tailcode: WT.

 

 

You are correct, both used F-8E!

[Badfrank 5]

Point taken. But within the stock WOV campaigns the Sundowners fly the Crusaders only in 1965 from the Midway, thus their tailcode should then be 'NE'.

Besides, it's interesting that in the WOV campaign the Sundowners transit to the F-4B in 1966...

 

Ah well, nothing is perfect.

 

The TailDecal for the VF-111 F-8 has the Tailcode AK:

F-8C Crusader VF-111 DET 11 USS INTREPID (CVS-11) 05/1967 12/1967 AK

[Badfrank 5]

ALL F-8 Squadrons wich serverd at SEA 1963-1975

With Plane Version, Carrier, when they served, tailcode and * iff they are also as Stock Squadron / Plane Combinations in WoV

 

F-8D Crusader VF-111 USS KITTY HAWK (CVA-63) 10/1963 07/1964 NH

F-8A Crusader VF-162 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 08/1963 03/1964 AH *

F-8E Crusader VF-191 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1964 11/1964 NM *

F-8C Crusader VF-194 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1964 11/1964 NM *

F-8E Crusader VF-51 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 04/1964 12/1964 NF *

F-8E Crusader VF-53 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 04/1964 12/1964 NF *

F-8E Crusader VF-51 USS CONSTELLATION (CVA-64) 05/1964 02/1965 NK

F-8C Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 10/1964 05/1965 NP *

F-8E Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 10/1964 05/1965 NP *

F-8D Crusader VF-154 USS CORAL SEA (CVA-43) 12/1964 11/1965 NL *

F-8D Crusader VF-111 USS MIDWAY (CVA-41) 03/1965 11/1965 NE

F-8E Crusader VF-162 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 04/1965 12/1965 AH *

F-8E Crusader VF-191 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 04/1965 01/1966 NM *

F-8E Crusader VF-194 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 04/1965 01/1966 NM *

F-8E Crusader VF-51 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 09/1965 05/1966 NF

F-8E Crusader VF-53 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 09/1965 05/1966 NF

F-8E Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 11/1965 08/1966 NP *

F-8C Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 11/1965 08/1966 NP *

F-8E Crusader VF-111 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1966 11/1966 AH

F-8E Crusader VF-162 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1966 11/1966 AH

F-8E Crusader VF-191 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 10/1966 05/1967 NM *

F-8E Crusader VF-194 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 10/1966 05/1967 NM *

F-8E Crusader VF-51 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 01/1967 07/1967 NF *

F-8E Crusader VF-53 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 01/1967 07/1967 NF *

F-8E Crusader VF-211 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1967 08/1967 NP *

F-8C Crusader VF-24 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1967 08/1967 NP *

F-8C Crusader VF-111 DET 11 USS INTREPID (CVS-11) 05/1967 12/1967 AK *

F-8C Crusader VF-111 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 06/1967 01/1968 AH

F-8E Crusader VF-162 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 06/1967 01/1968 AH

F-8E Crusader VF-191 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 12/1967 08/1968 NM

F-8E Crusader VF-194 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 12/1967 08/1968 NM

F-8H Crusader VF-51 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1968 10/1968 NF *

F-8E Crusader VF-53 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 01/1968 10/1968 NF *

F-8C Crusader VF-111 DET 11 USS INTREPID (CVS-11) 06/1968 02/1969 AK

F-8H Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 07/1968 03/1969 NP *

F-8H Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 07/1968 03/1969 NP *

F-8H Crusader VF-111 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 02/1969 09/1969 AH

F-8J Crusader VF-162 USS TICONDEROGA (CVA-14) 02/1969 09/1969 AH *

F-8J Crusader VF-51 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 03/1969 10/1969 NF *

F-8J Crusader VF-53 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 03/1969 10/1969 NF *

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 04/1969 11/1969 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 04/1969 11/1969 NM

F-8H Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 08/1969 04/1970 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 08/1969 04/1970 NP *

F-8H Crusader VF-111 USS SHANGRI-LA (CVS-38) 03/1970 12/1970 AJ

F-8H Crusader VF-162 USS SHANGRI-LA (CVS-38) 03/1970 12/1970 AJ

F-8J Crusader VF-51 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 04/1970 11/1970 NF

F-8J Crusader VF-53 USS BON HOMME RICHARD (CVA-31) 04/1970 11/1970 NF

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1970 12/1970 NM

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1970 12/1970 NM

F-8J Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 10/1970 06/1971 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 10/1970 06/1971 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1971 12/1971 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 05/1971 12/1971 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 01/1972 10/1972 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 01/1972 10/1972 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 06/1972 03/1973 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 06/1972 03/1973 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 05/1973 01/1974 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 05/1973 01/1974 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 10/1973 06/1974 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 10/1973 06/1974 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-24 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 03/1975 10/1975 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-211 USS HANCOCK (CVA-19) 03/1975 10/1975 NP *

F-8J Crusader VF-191 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 09/1975 03/1976 NM *

F-8J Crusader VF-194 USS ORISKANY (CVA-34) 09/1975 03/1976 NM *

[The_Editor 2]

IT'S OUT GUYS!!!

 

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Part II to come soon, stay tuned!

 

 

Brilliant. Many thanks.

[The_Editor 2]

Excellent info.

[+Gocad 26]

The TailDecal for the VF-111 F-8 has the Tailcode AK:

F-8C Crusader VF-111 DET 11 USS INTREPID (CVS-11) 05/1967 12/1967 AK

 

Suggestion: Look up the WOVCampRT_data file. Search for VF111 and check which carrier they operate from.

Hint: It's not the Intrepid.

 

Interesting enough, Mersky's F-8 Crusader Units of the Vietnam War says AH, but the Navy's own list says just CVW-10.

 

Besides, I don't mean to claim that the Sundowners never used the tailcode AK, all I'm saying is that with regard to the stock WOV Rolling Thunder campaign the 'NE' tailcode would have been more representative. End of story.

Edited January 24, 2008 by Gocad

[column5 63]

Besides, I don't mean to claim that the Sundowners never used the tailcode AK, all I'm saying is that with regard to the stock WOV Rolling Thunder campaign the 'NE' tailcode would have been more representative. End of story.

 

The AK code was probably never used in a Vietnam deployment since it is an Atlantic code. But, its appropriate for the particular variation in markings represented by the skin. VF-111 markings changed a lot over time so for practically every tailcode they wore, they wore different squadron markings. I think the ones represented by this skin are the most impressive, and that is why they were chosen.

Edited January 24, 2008 by column5

[+Crusader 2,101]

CVS-11 USS Intrepid with CVW-10 11 May 1967 - 30 Dec 1967 Tailcode AK

 

Source

"The US Navy In The Vietnam War" by Edward J. Marolda

Appendix C

Carrier Deployments to Southeast Asia 1964 -75

Compiled by Aviation History Branch, Naval Historical Center

Appendix D

Aircraft Tailcodes, 1964 - 75

Edited January 24, 2008 by Crusader

[+Corktip_14 0]

I also have a picture of VF-111 F-8D firing Zuni's on a North Vietnamese position and sporting the tail code NE.

[Badfrank 5]

I also have a picture of VF-111 F-8D firing Zuni's on a North Vietnamese position and sporting the tail code NE.

 

It´s in the list:

 

F-8D Crusader VF-111 USS MIDWAY (CVA-41) 03/1965 11/1965 NE

 

You didn´t see it or is something at the entry wrong?

[+Dave 2,322]

Ok so whats all the confusion about then? I am looking at an F-8C of VF-111 with AK tail code 10 days before its Vietnam cruise. Page 105 of the Ginter F-8 book. It's Omar Orpahns by the way. Then I got a pic of them with an NE tail code in 1963 flying F-8D's of the coast of Vietnam. Page 103 of the Ginter book. Then on the same page AH tailcode of an F-8C in 1966 of CVW-16. How about a pic on page 107 of an AJ tailcode F-8H taken in 1970. So again what are we confused about?

[+Crusader 2,101]

no confusion, just studying all the fantastic possibilities of VF-111 tailcodes and ship assignments....

[+Gocad 26]

So again what are we confused about?

 

Badfrank and some other said that the stock Sundowners tailcode refers to deployments with CVW 10 in 1967 and 68 and I pointed out that with regard to the deployment of the Sundowners in the stock Rollling Thunder campaign (1965 with CVW 2) a different tailcode ('NE') would have been more accurate.

But I guess that C5 is quite close to the truth when he says that certain decal designs are not determined by historical accuracy, but rather by aesthetic considerations.

Edited January 25, 2008 by Gocad

[ironroad 218]

Here some links I found... Some are images but I will not hotlink them because I want to save you all download time and also do not have permission to do so (for this site nor the original site.)

 

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVW-AK1.html

 

http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/img/111.jpg"]http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/img/111.jpg

 

http://usn-ac-japan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/airl...47004).jpeg.jpg

 

http://usn-ac-japan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/airloss/f-8.htm

 

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/373662...09_DCP01698.jpg

 

http://www.uss-shangri-la.com/vf111.html

 

http://www.history.navy.mil/avh-1910/APP26.PDF (comprehensive PDF file with a lot of data)

 

http://gator.crouze.com/chapter6page.html (history of Navy designations and Crusader Units from the 1950-70s)

 

 

Remember this is a game, I am as much as a history buff as the next guy here, hetch I majored in history. And when I play this or other games or flight sims I can not fight the urge to make things as true to life as they can be. I call it fun and a challenge, others may call it obsessive compulsive or just plain "sick."

 

"Up, can't have my Uh-1B with mini guns, only the flex gun system...and I better make sure that I have one Marine detachment armed only with E's"

 

or

 

"Hey, I can't have VF-103 flying off the Nimitz in 84, they were flying off the Saratoga then..."

 

but hey, I also realize that whole purpose of gaming is to escape from reality and pain in the ass that life can be.

 

So I sit back

 

Break the rules

 

and if I get into trouble

 

I hit

 

"esc....."

 

Just think, what if they made a "life in the cubicle simulation"....

[+Dave 2,322]

Iron

 

Everyone understands this is a game however we are trying to determine who flew what, with what etc etc, that will always poke its head in flight simming. Because to some, being accurate as possible is part of the sim itself. Especially if you are a modder. So no one is arguing, its a fact finding mission.

[+Corktip_14 0]

It´s in the list:

 

F-8D Crusader VF-111 USS MIDWAY (CVA-41) 03/1965 11/1965 NE

 

You didn´t see it or is something at the entry wrong?

 

 

Eeh, no, nononono, I just missed it when I read the list...

[ironroad 218]

Iron

 

Everyone understands this is a game however we are trying to determine who flew what, with what etc etc, that will always poke its head in flight simming. Because to some, being accurate as possible is part of the sim itself. Especially if you are a modder. So no one is arguing, its a fact finding mission.

 

Well pardon my misunderstanding, but I hope those links help.

Edited January 25, 2008 by ironroad

[+Dave 2,322]

Well pardon my misunderstanding, but I hope those links help.

 

Sure do and don't owrry about posting the images here. This isnt SimHQ. Hot linking an image isnt a crime.

[ironroad 218]

more stuff

 

A good photo ref site

 

http://www.gonavy.jp/bbs1/index.cgi?page:15=v

 

 

VF-111 and Vf-111 Det 11

 

 

 

1964

Edited January 25, 2008 by ironroad

[column5 63]

Sure do and don't owrry about posting the images here. This isnt SimHQ. Hot linking an image isnt a crime.

 

Not to g*ddamn Intarnet pirates like you and your ilk. Hot linking images is what blew up the levees in New Orleans. Its a crime perpetrated against all mankind by BLT-eating people like you.

 

[The_Editor 2]

Superb photos.