MiG-21SPS

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

Hallo Guys a Ouestion to the MiG-Gurus!

I have got a question, is there a MiG-21SPS out?

i couldn´t find one...

if not, how can i modify a MiG-21PF so that it´s a SPS?

[sparkomatic 7]

found an info source, so rocket-assist take-off and blown-flaps (giving a 25 mph reduction in approach speed) plus a search / track radar...sounds Gucci

[kukulino 1]

I have got a question, is there a MiG-21SPS out?

i couldn´t find one...

if not, how can i modify a MiG-21PF so that it´s a SPS?

Well, it is not clear about Mig-21SPS. It is PFM version with SPS mechanism (SPS: blown flaps, -K: with gun) - according to http://www.mig-21.de/english/gdr.htm for example. This mean that PFM was exported as SPS/SPS-K to Germany. According to valka.cz page, early PFMs were not equiped with SPS mechanism. Later Mig-21PFM series were equiped with SPS standardly. We (Czechoslovakia) had 50 Mig-21 PFM version received from ZSSR. And we had 39 Mig-21PFs without SPS mechanism.

 

Or HERE! ---- link

 

Or HERE TOO! ---- link

 

As we can see, there are PFMs no PFs.

 

Interesting discusion about SPS mechanism link ----------> HERE!

 

 

There is Mig-21.inis pack at Avsim library download - it was named More MiGs by Lucas Sexton. There is Mig-21PFS based on stock PFM model (it is old pack. There was no Mig-21PF model when this pack was finished, probably). I know nothing about another mods close to German Mig-21PFM/SPS version.

 

Or there is SFP1 Aircraft Pack 2 by Bob Hauser on Avsim. There is Mig-21FL basen on Mig-21PFS mod by Madcaddie (Madcaddies PFS is in More Migs pack included). Both packs are based on Mig-21PFM.LOD

 

If SPS/SPS-K were just renamed PFMs, we can use standard FM (or improved FMs by Fubar512) and rename PFM to SPS/SPS-k. If there was important difference, we need edit FMs acording to difference.

 

That is all I know about it :yes:

 

In general, I know nothing about original Mig-21SPS/SPS-K mod made for us Maybe somebody else

Edited January 27, 2008 by kukulino

[+Gepard 11,295]

The designation MiG-21SPS or SPS-K was given by the LSK/LV (east german air force), because they internally had given MiG-21PF, which were modified in the GDR, the designation MiG-21PFM. When the soviets delivered the original MiG-21PFM to the GDR, the LSK had a problem of course. So the decision was made to call all "original" PFM in LSK service SPS. When the gunpod GP-9 was available, all GP-9 capable "original" PFM got the german designation SPS-K. K stands for Kanone, gun.

The MiG-21PFM of SFP1 would be, following the LSK designation rules, a MiG-21SPS-K.

 

I hope my statement was not to confusing.

[sparkomatic 7]

that is very interesting...sounds amusing that they had to make a name change like that

[maverickHR 0]

when already you are talking about migs, I have one guestion: I cant find gerald´s14 mig-21bis pack, where is it?

[+hgbn 91]

when already you are talking about migs, I have one guestion: I cant find gerald´s14 mig-21bis pack, where is it?

 

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24876

 

I guess that explains your question

[kukulino 1]

The designation MiG-21SPS or SPS-K was given by the LSK/LV (east german air force), because they internally had given MiG-21PF, which were modified in the GDR, the designation MiG-21PFM. When the soviets delivered the original MiG-21PFM to the GDR, the LSK had a problem of course. So the decision was made to call all "original" PFM in LSK service SPS. When the gunpod GP-9 was available, all GP-9 capable "original" PFM got the german designation SPS-K. K stands for Kanone, gun.

The MiG-21PFM of SFP1 would be, following the LSK designation rules, a MiG-21SPS-K.

 

I hope my statement was not to confusing.

So this mean: all we need is rename PFM to SPS/SPS-K. This is right, I think.

But we haven't got Mig-21PFM without GP-9 gunpod. GP-9 mounted on stock Mig-21PFM is integrated into Mig-21PFM.LOD file, probably. Am I right?

[maverickHR 0]

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24876

 

I guess that explains your question

 

ahhhh, pity.

thanks for the reply.

[+whiteknight06604 934]

you can have a Mig-21PFM without the gun pod.just follow this thread here.

 

http://www.column5.us/forum/index.php?showtopic=1393&hl=

[kukulino 1]

you can have a Mig-21PFM without the gun pod.just follow this thread here.

 

http://www.column5.us/forum/index.php?showtopic=1393&hl=

Oh, I am sorry, I forgot my question about GP-9 in this topic :blush2:

 

I follow your link, but I have this massage: Sorry, the link that brought you to this page seems to be out of date or broken.

 

It was a few moths ago when I "deleted" GP-9 from PFM. But I forgot how

Or I am wrong, and it was PF

[+whiteknight06604 934]

Oh, I am sorry, I forgot my question about GP-9 in this topic :blush2:

 

I follow your link, but I have this massage: Sorry, the link that brought you to this page seems to be out of date or broken.

 

It was a few moths ago when I "deleted" GP-9 from PFM. But I forgot how

Or I am wrong, and it was PF

 

This is the info from the column5 thread.

 

whiteknight,

 

take a look into the F-111A data ini .The F-111 gunpod is set up in the same way.

 

The MiG-21PFM lod file has the GP-9_Gunpod entry. Use this for ModelNodeName= in the data ini. Then you have to add the gunpod in the Weapondata ini - again look at the F-111Gun entry already there.

 

hmm...reads a bit confusing....best I post all entrys ...soon.

 

Again, original idea by Crab 02 and madcaddie !

 

I have done a cheap copy

 

add to aircraft_data.ini

 

// Internal Guns ---------------------------------------------------------

 

;[internalGun]

;SystemType=FIXED_GUN

;GunTypeName=23MM_GSH23

;InputName=FIRE_PRIMARY_GUN

;MuzzlePosition=0.0,1.323,-0.716

;LightPosition=0.0,1.453,-0.726

;AimAngles=0.0,0.5,0.0

;MaxAmmo=200

;EjectShells=FALSE

;EjectPosition=0.412,1.454,-0.437

;EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

;MinExtentPosition=-0.13,-2.48,-0.87

;MaxExtentPosition= 0.13, 1.26,-0.53

 

[internalGun]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,1.5,-0.58

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=320

AllowedWeaponClass=GP

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=GP-9_Gunpod

 

; = switch off the original data or simply delete it

 

 

to loadout.ini

 

Loadout[03].WeaponType=GP-9

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

 

do for each missiontype on which you want the GP-9 as default [AirToAir] etc.

 

 

add to weaponsdata.ini

 

[WeaponData691]

TypeName=GP-9

FullName=GP-9 Gunpod

ModelName=gp9

Mass=300.000000

Diameter=0.260000

Length=3.074000

AttachmentType=SOVIET

NationName=SOVIET

StartYear=1968

EndYear=0

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=1

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1968

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=3

GunTypeName=23MM_GSH23

MaxRounds=200

MuzzlePosition=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000

LightPosition=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000

AimDirection=0.000000,2.300000,0.000000

EjectShells=1

EjectPosition=0.000000,-1.800000,-0.250000

EjectVelocity=0.000000,0.000000,-2.000000

 

since the start year is set to 1968 it will appear as default loadout if added to loadout.ini. prior to this date the station remains empty

 

 

if you want to simply delete the pod add to aircraft_data.ini (MiG-21FL e.g.)

 

// Internal Guns ---------------------------------------------------------

 

[internalGun]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

ModelNodeName=GP-9_Gunpod

 

delete original data

 

the station is visible on the loadout menu but can't be loaded

 

 

I hope this helps

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

This is the info from the column5 thread.

 

whiteknight,

 

take a look into the F-111A data ini .The F-111 gunpod is set up in the same way.

 

The MiG-21PFM lod file has the GP-9_Gunpod entry. Use this for ModelNodeName= in the data ini. Then you have to add the gunpod in the Weapondata ini - again look at the F-111Gun entry already there.

 

hmm...reads a bit confusing....best I post all entrys ...soon.

 

Again, original idea by Crab 02 and madcaddie !

 

I have done a cheap copy

 

add to aircraft_data.ini

 

// Internal Guns ---------------------------------------------------------

 

;[internalGun]

;SystemType=FIXED_GUN

;GunTypeName=23MM_GSH23

;InputName=FIRE_PRIMARY_GUN

;MuzzlePosition=0.0,1.323,-0.716

;LightPosition=0.0,1.453,-0.726

;AimAngles=0.0,0.5,0.0

;MaxAmmo=200

;EjectShells=FALSE

;EjectPosition=0.412,1.454,-0.437

;EjectVelocity=0.0,0.0,-2.0

;MinExtentPosition=-0.13,-2.48,-0.87

;MaxExtentPosition= 0.13, 1.26,-0.53

 

[internalGun]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,1.5,-0.58

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=320

AllowedWeaponClass=GP

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=GP-9_Gunpod

 

; = switch off the original data or simply delete it

to loadout.ini

 

Loadout[03].WeaponType=GP-9

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

 

do for each missiontype on which you want the GP-9 as default [AirToAir] etc.

add to weaponsdata.ini

 

[WeaponData691]

TypeName=GP-9

FullName=GP-9 Gunpod

ModelName=gp9

Mass=300.000000

Diameter=0.260000

Length=3.074000

AttachmentType=SOVIET

NationName=SOVIET

StartYear=1968

EndYear=0

Availability=2

BaseQuantity=1

Exported=TRUE

ExportStartYear=1968

ExportAvailability=2

WeaponDataType=3

GunTypeName=23MM_GSH23

MaxRounds=200

MuzzlePosition=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000

LightPosition=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000

AimDirection=0.000000,2.300000,0.000000

EjectShells=1

EjectPosition=0.000000,-1.800000,-0.250000

EjectVelocity=0.000000,0.000000,-2.000000

 

since the start year is set to 1968 it will appear as default loadout if added to loadout.ini. prior to this date the station remains empty

if you want to simply delete the pod add to aircraft_data.ini (MiG-21FL e.g.)

 

// Internal Guns ---------------------------------------------------------

 

[internalGun]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=3

StationGroupID=2

StationType=EXTERNAL

ModelNodeName=GP-9_Gunpod

 

delete original data

 

the station is visible on the loadout menu but can't be loaded

I hope this helps

 

Okay, one Question, if i try it so, is the gunpodvisible, when i don´t select it in the load-out menu???

[kukulino 1]

Thank you whiteknight06604 for fast reply (I am waiting for approval on column5.us forum)

Thank you Soulfreak for this topic :yes:

And thanx to Crab 02 and madcaddie for their great idea.

 

Is there a way how add with ini edit centerline fueltank pylon? Or I need make new pylon and add it according to Capuns post in knowledge base? Topic: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24863

 

 

I deleted GP-9, and I added third weaponstation with fueltank loadout. I need another station for centerline pylon. But I need model, I suppose. Am I right?

[+Soulfreak 6,524]

Thank you whiteknight06604 for fast reply (I am waiting for approval on column5.us forum)

Thank you Soulfreak for this topic :yes:

And thanx to Crab 02 and madcaddie for their great idea.

 

Is there a way how add with ini edit centerline fueltank pylon? Or I need make new pylon and add it according to Capuns post in knowledge base? Topic: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showtopic=24863

 

]

 

I deleted GP-9, and I added third weaponstation with fueltank loadout. I need another station for centerline pylon. But I need model, I suppose. Am I right?

if you select the gp9 in your mod, is it than visible???

btw nice work Kuku!

[kukulino 1]

if you select the gp9 in your mod, is it than visible???

btw nice work Kuku!

Thanx Soulfreak. But I just edited inis according to great ideas posted upper :yes:

 

Soulfreak, you wrote this question: "Okay, one Question, if i try it so, is the gunpodvisible, when i don´t select it in the load-out menu???"

I understant it right, I hope. I do not selected GP-9 in loadout menu and GP-9 was not visible:

 

On the other hand. Mig-21PFM with mechanish for GP-9 installed can carry GP-9 or fuel tank. So I made new folder Mig-21PFM_GP-9 with third weaponstation for GP-9 and fourt weaponstation for fueltank. And it works right. I can carry GP-9 or fuel tank.

First plane is mounted with fueltank and second is mounted with GP-9 on centerline station:

Maybe somebody made these edits on column5.us forum. If yes, I apologize to original tweakers :yes:

 

So all I need is centerline pylon. I chatted with my friend vrkuboy, and he can make new pylon. But I need wait to Thursday, becouse he will not be at home tomorrow.

 

Just little step needed to get workable "GP-9 container removing instalation" on Mig-21PFM/SPS/SPS-K mod :umnik2:

Edited January 30, 2008 by kukulino

[vrkuboy 0]

Hi kukulino maybe this good what do you mean?

[kukulino 1]

Hi kukulino maybe this good what do you mean?

Yes vrku, that's it

[+Florian 394]

Hi kukulino maybe this good what do you mean?

Looking better with colors?

 

[+whiteknight06604 934]

very nice.thank you

 

Looking better with colors?

[kukulino 1]

Looking better with colors?

Yes, you are right AmokFloo And what about Czechoslovak colours?!

 

THANX Amokfloo for this little but very nice - and for Mig fans important - pylon. AND THANX to vrkuboy for his help in first phase of "pylon project"

THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN :spartak: :fans:

[gerald14 0]

Yes, you are right AmokFloo And what about Czechoslovak colours?!

 

THANX Amokfloo for this little but very nice - and for Mig fans important - pylon. AND THANX to vrkuboy for his help in first phase of "pylon project"

THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN :spartak: :fans:

 

Nice indeed! Send that puppy to me and I'll give it a avionics suit.

[kukulino 1]

There is Mig-21PFM without capability load GP-9 in my previous post. (Mig-21SPS acording to "Soulfreaks" designation)

This plane was standardly loaded with drop fueltank.

So, there are five weapon stations in Mig-21PFM inis:

 

// Station 1 = Left Wing Station

// Station 2 = Right Wing Station

// Station 3 = Fuselage Centerline Station

// Station 4 = Centerline Pylon station

// Station 5 = Used for deleting GP-9 contajner

 

[AirToAir]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=R-3S

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=R-3S

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=MiG21CenterPylon

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

 

Here is Mig-21PFM with removable GP-9 (Mig-21SPS-K. Second plane has GP-9 carried):

 

Here are five weaponstations too:

// Station 1 = Left Wing Station

// Station 2 = Right Wing Station

// Station 3 = Fuselage Centerline Station

// Station 4 = Centerline Pylon station

// Station 5 = GP-9 station

 

[AirToAir]

Loadout[01].WeaponType=R-3S

Loadout[01].Quantity=1

Loadout[02].WeaponType=R-3S

Loadout[02].Quantity=1

Loadout[03].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21

Loadout[03].Quantity=1

Loadout[04].WeaponType=MiG21CenterPylon

Loadout[04].Quantity=1

 

But in loadout menu I see just standard three weapon stations.

So, I added for every mission typ (AirToAir; AirToAirLongRange; etc.) loadout with fueltank.

I have fueltank in loadout menu carrried allways (I see pylon loaded on centerline station). If I want load GP-9, I just choose GP-9 in centerline "menu" and that's it.

 

EDIT: problem found:

 

[PylonStation]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=4

StationGroupID=4----------------------------- I had 2 on both new stations

StationType=EXTERNAL

//AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.08,-0.71

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.08,-0.64

AttachmentAngles=0.0,-1.0,0.0

LoadLimit=100

AllowedWeaponClass=FT

AttachmentType=SOVIET

ModelNodeName=

PylonMass=40

PylonDragArea=0.02

FuelTankName=MiG21CenterPylon

NoJettisionTank=TRUE

Edited February 5, 2008 by kukulino

[kukulino 1]

OK, pylon is ready for upload. Instalation instructions are a little bit complicated, but for skilled members it is not problem install pylon on right place. It is not mod for SFP1/WOE/WOV beginers

[kukulino 1]

Uploaded an approved!

http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?autoc...p;showfile=6012

 

THANX to USAFMTL :yes: