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Is it new one or exist? Gerald14 and me have Fast Cargos SPS-141 models for Mig-21 and Su-22/25 too, but our WIP Mig-21MA/R project with SPS-141 container is stopped for this time. I tried find some informations about SPS-141 but I got reply in this sense: SECRET... You have better informations about container I hope :yes:

 

Older SPS-141 topic: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...mp;hl=SMSPS-141

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Is it new one or exist? Gerald14 and me have Fast Cargos SPS-141 models for Mig-21 and Su-22/25 too, but our WIP Mig-21MA/R project with SPS-141 container is stopped for this time. I tried find some informations about SPS-141 but I got reply in this sense: SECRET... You have better informations about container I hope :yes:

 

Older SPS-141 topic: http://forum.combatace.com/index.php?showt...mp;hl=SMSPS-141

 

thats a new model and it comes with a mod for the SU-22M4 - not ready yet

-the PTB-800 drop tank may be released soon in two colors grey and camo since more aircraft used it then only the SU-22

-i also work on a sps-141 for the mig 21 but it is in the early stage far from release the one thing i dont know is the chaff/flare build in or not and if yes how many chaff/flare

-what secret? and reply from whom?

-in many museums (WTS in Koblenz/Germany) you can find the SPS-141 maybe some one can make some walkaround pictures?

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Off topic a bit...

Vinten2.jpg

Recce system "Vinten" on our BiS Migs (inside 490l drop tank as basis)

Vinten1.jpg

...very "slick" and working very good - Western electronic inside

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Looks great. Like live!

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And can you do this: (sorry but I can't found better pictures :dntknw: )

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This is a "wjuga" pod for use Ch-25MP/Ch-58U missiles on Su-22M4( F-16 has somethink like that for use HARM's - I don't remember how it's name in english...)

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The pod version carried by the Su-22/25 ( SPS-141MVG-E , iirc..) jams two bands ...

it has 4 modes, which include self-protection, "two-aircraft" protection ( 2 aircraft carrying one pod each and supporting each other iirc...),

then some other kind of noise mode and a low-level mode where terrain bouncing effect is used..

So basically this pod is a noise jammer, but there are more versions of it which use range and velocity stealing, which are deception jamming modes.

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thats a new model and it comes with a mod for the SU-22M4 - not ready yet

-the PTB-800 drop tank may be released soon in two colors grey and camo since more aircraft used it then only the SU-22

-i also work on a sps-141 for the mig 21 but it is in the early stage far from release the one thing i dont know is the chaff/flare build in or not and if yes how many chaff/flare

-what secret? and reply from whom?

-in many museums (WTS in Koblenz/Germany) you can find the SPS-141 maybe some one can make some walkaround pictures?

SM SPS-141 for Mig-21 is equpied with dispenser ASO-2I-E7P (acording to this czech site: http://www.valka.cz/newdesign/v900/clanek.php?id=10769 NOTE: there is incorrect ASO-21-E7P dispenser name in this link. Right is ASO-2I-E7P )

 

ASO-2 load 32 rounds. There were variable rounds for ASO-2:

PPI-26 - flares: http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/highli...a-rusici-naboje

PRP-15 - chaffs: http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/11352 (Last post by Lubo. There are both versions showed)

 

Note about secret informations about SPS-141:

I asked SPS-141 manual holder for some info about container for Su-22. But he replied me that he can not send me needed info. Manual is not for free use. Well, what can i do?

Yes SM SPS-141 are freely placed in many museums. We can freely photo them, so it will took just a few days for good photos. Than we will see how many ASO dispensers are monuted on SM SPS-141, I hope.

 

OK, I want to ask you about this, ravenclaw_007: there was third SPS-141 container "version" in Czechoslovak Air Force. SPS-141 for Su-7BKL. I haven't got drawning. All I have are some photos over internet. Do you know something more? I suppose that "jammer strenght" was the same or similar to SPS-141 for Mig-21 and Su-22/25.

 

Here are some photos: http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic....=a&start=30

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thats a lot of info but first we need some pictures of the underside of the sps-141 for the mig-21 to finish the pod model

and than i have to look how i can have both chaff/flare and noise jammer in one pod-data because in the weapon-data

you can only have either but not both in one pod

 

-i have send a mail to the WTS in Koblenz but no answer yet on that sps-141 mig-21 pod

-the third sps-141 pod is new to me but with this pictures it should be possible to make one (is there only one horn or

is the other one hidden? )

the jamming strenght i thing would be less then for the mig-21 or Su-22 pod

 

thanks for the pictures if you have more just mail them to me

 

 

the pod is almost done just some detail are missing

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We (Gerald14 and me) have fully workable SM SPS-141 container instalation mounted on Mig-21. This means ECM function and dispenser function in one container.

Basically, standard Mig-21M/MF etc. were not equiped with needed electric instalation for SPS container. There is aditional electric instalation for SPS-141 on Mig-21s. Similar to our Mig-21MA model. Workable container is based on Wrenchs idea. If you want see it or test it, send me PM with your mail, ravenclaw_007 please.

 

 

Here is SM SPS-141 mounted on Mig-21MA (edited stock Mig-21MF model):

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Su-7 SPS-141 ---- there is only one horn. Here are some its photos (scroll to Dundrs post. He is photographed with that part): http://modelforum.upce.cz/forum/viewtopic....=a&start=60

I haven't got other Su-7 ECM pod photos.

 

But no Su-7 BKL is modelled. We have Su-7BM/BMK with six pylons - similar to BKL (some BMs were mounted with six pylons too). But oficial BKL does not exist.

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