MIG 25 SPEED

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

hello to everyone, i just have a quick question regarding the MiG-25 performance, last night i was trying to fly a recon mission on a '25R and the i got jumped by some F-4's which made an easy kill of me, since the max speed of the 25 was no more of 500 knots and is a mach 3 capable aircraft, is there a way to increase the speed performance on this plane?

 

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[column5 62]

What altitude did all this happen at?

[Fubar512 1,350]

The MiG-25 model will exceed Mach 2.83...just long enough to trash its engines.

[column5 62]

The MiG-25 model will exceed Mach 2.83...just long enough to trash its engines.

 

http://www.wvi.com/~sr71webmaster/mig25.html

[Stick 773]

True. The last time I alt-T'ed the only thing I remembered was a long fiery plume across a dark night sky!

[MigBuster 2,863]

hello to everyone, i just have a quick question regarding the MiG-25 performance, last night i was trying to fly a recon mission on a '25R and the i got jumped by some F-4's which made an easy kill of me, since the max speed of the 25 was no more of 500 knots and is a mach 3 capable aircraft, is there a way to increase the speed performance on this plane?

 

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500kts may be the IAS reading your looking at (see many old threads on this) Which direction did the F-4s approach you from?

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

500kts may be the IAS reading your looking at (see many old threads on this) Which direction did the F-4s approach you from?

 

 

from 5 to 6, around 5000 ft, and i was unable to leave it away no matter what i could do, it made me , do you guys know a way to teak it so it can fly faster??

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

What altitude did all this happen at?

 

 

around 5000 ft

[column5 62]

around 5000 ft

 

The MiG-25 won't perform at such low level. You'll get eaten up.

[Lt. James Cater 62]

around 5000 ft

 

 

All things considered, at 5000ft a MIG25 will get nailed by an F-4 virtually everytime.

 

Think about this...The F105 Thundercheif was the fastest plane in the world at low altitude. Even with a standard bomb load it was fast as hell. Having expended ordnance and punched tanks, it was virtually impossible to catch on the deck, being able to go supersonic right off the tree tops.

 

Look at the design lines of a Thud compared to a Foxbat. For such a large aircraft the F-105 was very streamlined. It was designed for low level high speed nuke strikes. A MIG 25's lines are too draggy to be able to do the same at low altitudes. It for being way up for where the B-70 Valkyrie was intended to operate.

 

There it would be able to leave a Phantom behind.

[+Jug 99]

All things considered, at 5000ft a MIG25 will get nailed by an F-4 virtually everytime.

 

Think about this...The F105 Thundercheif was the fastest plane in the world at low altitude. Even with a standard bomb load it was fast as hell. Having expended ordnance and punched tanks, it was virtually impossible to catch on the deck, being able to go supersonic right off the tree tops.

 

Look at the design lines of a Thud compared to a Foxbat. For such a large aircraft the F-105 was very streamlined. It was designed for low level high speed nuke strikes. A MIG 25's lines are too draggy to be able to do the same at low altitudes. It for being way up for where the B-70 Valkyrie was intended to operate.

 

There it would be able to leave a Phantom behind.

Keep in mind that the only air to air kill the Iraqi AF got against the US was a MiG-25 which hosed down a bug (Hornet). The AVG proved time and again that it is the driver, not the jet that wins the fight.

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

All things considered, at 5000ft a MIG25 will get nailed by an F-4 virtually everytime.

 

Think about this...The F105 Thundercheif was the fastest plane in the world at low altitude. Even with a standard bomb load it was fast as hell. Having expended ordnance and punched tanks, it was virtually impossible to catch on the deck, being able to go supersonic right off the tree tops.

 

Look at the design lines of a Thud compared to a Foxbat. For such a large aircraft the F-105 was very streamlined. It was designed for low level high speed nuke strikes. A MIG 25's lines are too draggy to be able to do the same at low altitudes. It for being way up for where the B-70 Valkyrie was intended to operate.

 

There it would be able to leave a Phantom behind.

[Lt. James Cater 62]

Keep in mind that the only air to air kill the Iraqi AF got against the US was a MiG-25 which hosed down a bug (Hornet). The AVG proved time and again that it is the driver, not the jet that wins the fight.

 

That Iraqi Foxbat was locked on by multiple US aircraft that were awaiting permission to fire that never came. Not many people realize that.

 

Vs B-52s it would have been a serious threat at altitude. At 5000ft? Meat on the table more often than not for an average Western fighter jock.

 

Check out "MIG Pilot", defecting soviet MIG-25 pilot Victor Belenko gave it's pros and cons pretty well in it's intercept role.

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

yes i agree 100%, but, the mig should have more power than the one that the mod represents, or not??

 

my point is that the plane should be fastest at any altitude isn't it?

[column5 62]

That Iraqi Foxbat was locked on by multiple US aircraft that were awaiting permission to fire that never came. Not many people realize that.

 

Vs B-52s it would have been a serious threat at altitude. At 5000ft? Meat on the table more often than not for an average Western fighter jock.

 

Check out "MIG Pilot", defecting soviet MIG-25 pilot Victor Belenko gave it's pros and cons pretty well in it's intercept role.

 

Heed Jug, for he has experience! Although the MiG-25 should be outclassed at low speed and low altitude against contemporary Western fighters, it still has teeth and could teach a complacent pilot a lesson.

[column5 62]

yes i agree 100%, but, the mig should have more power than the one that the mod represents, or not??

 

my point is that the plane should be fastest at any altitude isn't it?

 

No, its definately not the fastest plane at any altitude, but it was not designed to be. If you take it up to 40,000 feet or higher, you should find it to perform much better, because that is the arena it was designed to operate in.

 

Check that link I posted above, there are some good insights into the Foxbat in it.

[Lt. James Cater 62]

Flogger, The MIG 25 is one of the fastest combat aircraft ever deployed.

 

However, speed depends on various factors. See my F-105 example? It was DESIGNED for high speed low level. F-4 pilots escorting them over North Vietnam were sometimes hard pressed to keep up with them during egress from the target areas due to the Thuds' speed down low. In a book i have a Phantom pilot had this to say about escorting 105s when MIGs came around" The Thuds dropped their noses and went home at their usual velocity, warp speed"

 

IN WOV i'm a very high time F-105 driver. If i want to get the hell out of dodge fast, i'll be at full burner at under 500ft. Good luck catching me down there.

 

Take an aircraft out of it's element watch the trouble that usually occurs.

 

Thuds are crap up high. WAY,WAY up there the MIG-25 is awesome. Fast moving with a powerful radar it can do what it's designed to, intercepting high flying bombers.

 

Down below against fighters you will have to be one hell of a pilot to be successful.

 

 

Column5-the complacent pilot is the greatest thing ever for increasing ones' kill ratio. But can you imagine the results of a dogfight between an F-4 and a MIG25 below 10000ft flown by equally skilled pilots?

[column5 62]

Column5-the complacent pilot is the greatest thing ever for increasing ones' kill ratio. But can you imagine the results of a dogfight between an F-4 and a MIG25 below 10000ft flown by equally skilled pilots?

 

Impossible scenario. A skilled Foxbat pilot wouldn't engage under those circumstances.

[Lt. James Cater 62]

Impossible scenario. A skilled Foxbat pilot wouldn't engage under those circumstances.

EXACTLY!!!!!

 

That's part of my point about knowing your aircraft. The Foxbat pilot would do everything possible to avoid the scenario.

 

But human nature being what it is?

 

Or one being caught down there?

Edited August 28, 2008 by Lt. James Cater

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

Flogger, The MIG 25 is one of the fastest combat aircraft ever deployed.

 

However, speed depends on various factors. See my F-105 example? It was DESIGNED for high speed low level. F-4 pilots escorting them over North Vietnam were sometimes hard pressed to keep up with them during egress from the target areas due to the Thuds' speed down low. In a book i have a Phantom pilot had this to say about escorting 105s when MIGs came around" The Thuds dropped their noses and went home at their usual velocity, warp speed"

 

IN WOV i'm a very high time F-105 driver. If i want to get the hell out of dodge fast, i'll be at full burner at under 500ft. Good luck catching me down there.

 

Take an aircraft out of it's element watch the trouble that usually occurs.

 

Thuds are crap up high. WAY,WAY up there the MIG-25 is awesome. Fast moving with a powerful radar it can do what it's designed to, intercepting high flying bombers.

 

Down below against fighters you will have to be one hell of a pilot to be successful.

 

 

Column5-the complacent pilot is the greatest thing ever for increasing ones' kill ratio. But can you imagine the results of a dogfight between an F-4 and a MIG25 below 10000ft flown by equally skilled pilots?

 

 

i see your point i will try tonight, unfortunately i don't have internet at home but you'll get the answer tomorrow, thank you guys for all your support.

[+ghostrider883 526]

Nearly achieved a speed of Mach 2.5 in a MiG-25RU "Garuda" at 53,000 ft.

 

I feel the need...the need for speed

But seconds later....

I feel the need...... the need for a fire extinguisher.......

 

My wingie cuts off AB and descends after seeing my fate.

[+FLOGGER23 2,834]

WELL SORRY I HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERING, WITH ALL YOUR HELP I WAS ABLE TO TRASH THE F-4'S THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

[Fubar512 1,350]

WELL SORRY I HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERING, WITH ALL YOUR HELP I WAS ABLE TO TRASH THE F-4'S THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

 

Here's some links to segments 1-5 of a recent Dogfight's episode, detailing action between Iraqi MiG-25/29's and USAF F-15Cs . They were posted by another member (Mohamed), a week or so ago.

 

The first seqment covers the opening night of the conflict, and how an unarmed Sparkvark managed to evade an attack by an Iraqi Mirage F1.

 

 

desert storm dog fights:

 

Part 1

 

 

Part 2

 

 

 

Part 3

 

 

 

Part 4

 

 

 

Part 5

[Silverbolt 104]

Usually the Foxbats blow up the engines when hit Mach 2.5 specially if it's over Jerusalem

[Stick 773]

Here's some links to segments 1-5 of a recent Dogfight's episode, detailing action between Iraqi MiG-25/29's and USAF F-15Cs . They were posted by another member (Mohamed), a week or so ago.

 

The first seqment covers the opening night of the conflict, and how an unarmed Sparkvark managed to evade an attack by an Iraqi Mirage F1.

 

 

desert storm dog fights:

 

Part 1

 

 

Part 2

 

 

 

Part 3

 

 

 

Part 4

 

 

 

Part 5

12Gs on Part 2!!!!

Hats off!