+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) The Mig-21M (modernizeerovannyy) was the export version of the Mig-21S (Sapfeer-21 radar), the first fighter of the third generation Mig-21s. Both NATO nickname was Fishbed-J, the engine was the Soyuz R11F2S-300. It differed from the domestic version in two important respects: the downgraded (simplified) avionics and the built-in GSh-23L gun. The Mig-21MF (modernizeerovannyy forseerovannyy), the export version of the Mig-21SM (S-modernizeerovannyy), all named Fishbed-J too, had the more powerfull engine Soyuz R13-300, the rear view periscope and two blast deflectors below the blow-in doors. The Mig-21M was exported in East Germany (87), Poland (36), Czechoslovakia (24), Romania (60), Yugoslavia (25), Bulgaria (15), Syria (12), Egypt (12) and India. The IAF had 65 Soviet-built Mig-21M (izdeliye 96) were called in India Mig-21MF, but the Indian-built Type-88 (izdeliye 96F) , very similar to soviet Mig-21MF, was called Mig-21M , that caused some misunderstandings ….. There was’nt in TW/TK simulations. So I started from the Mig-21MF and removed the periscope and the blast deflectors, changed the engine stats (data taken from previous Mig-21S mod), made some other editings (performances and weapons) took some stock MF skins (Soviet, Syrian and Eaf), made new ones and historical known serial numbers. I was not able to remove periscope from inside the cockpit, if someone could , do it please for me. Because some Mig-21M were “retrofitted” with periscope and blast plates, I'll include in the pack a dedicated retrofitted data.ini. You have only to change it with the stock one. In this way the plane is identical in shape to later Mig-21MF. Take a preview look, please ... and more The new skins included: 1) LSK Silver & Camo with historical serial numbers (made on Souli’s original work as usual) and “Q” quality marks on appropriate planes; 2) PWL Silver with historical serial numbers; 3) Yugo Silver with historical serial numbers; 4) IAF Silver & Camo with known historical serial numbers (I'm looking for all IAF serials ..... if You have something, please help). 5) CVL Silver with historical serial numbers; Romania decals and silver skin is the next job. Paul Edited June 17, 2009 by paulopanz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+KnightWolf45 1,147 Posted June 17, 2009 cool man Cocas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 17, 2009 cool man Cocas You are too kind with me, man. Paolo :yes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) hey Paulo, if you need more references on LSK MiG-21´s let me know. I have a lot and will get in the next days some more! btw, nice work... Edited June 17, 2009 by Soulfreak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kukulino 1 Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) My friends and me had Mig-21MA and Mig-21R as WIPs. But they are grounded for this time. Czechoslovak MA (removed periscope, cannon deflectors too) MA is M version just with added "A". Later updated to MF standard (both versions were WIPs) Mig-21R without cannon and deflectors... Old projects, but no progress as I said. Our MA was planned as Czechoslovak MA, so no colision with your M I think. Good luck :yes: Migs forever Edited June 17, 2009 by kukulino Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 17, 2009 (edited) hey Paulo, if you need more references on LSK MiG-21´s let me know. I have a lot and will get in the next days some more! btw, nice work... Everything will be welcome. I like Migs. Thank you Souli Paolo My friends and me had Mig-21MA and Mig-21R as WIPs. But they are grounded for this time. Czechoslovak MA (removed periscope, cannon deflectors too) MA is M version just with added "A". Later updated to MF standard (both versions were WIPs) Mig-21R without cannon and deflectors... Old projects, but no progress as I said. Our MA was planned as Czechoslovak MA, so no colision with your M I think. Good luck Migs forever Migs forever, too. I only made some decals for a generic silver CVL skin, that should be a placeholder waiting your Czech dedicated mod. Thanks. Paul Edited June 17, 2009 by paulopanz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+ST0RM 145 Posted June 18, 2009 Paulo, Nice work. The DDR Fishbed will look great in formation with the MF DDR MiG-29A. Thanks. -S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 18, 2009 Paulo, Nice work. The DDR Fishbed will look great in formation with the MF DDR MiG-29A. Thanks. -S Thank you, Sir. Now I'm working with some stencils Soulfreak sent to me yesterday ..... Paolo :yes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) Thank you, Sir. Now I'm working with some stencils Soulfreak sent to me yesterday ..... Paolo :yes: Have still something more for you Paulo. scanned today a 1/32 Decalsheet for you. on it you can read every stencil.... will send you the building plan too... EDIT: Sended via PM, I have scanned the decal sheet and the building plan for the Revell MiG-21MF / SPS Edited June 18, 2009 by Soulfreak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+krizis 6 Posted June 18, 2009 Hi Kukulino May I ask you which parts (other than listed) were removed from original LOD? Just interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 18, 2009 only something, while we´re talking about LSK Fishbeds... check the number and insiders know what this is for a bird.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,323 Posted June 18, 2009 MiG-21bis Jagdgeschwader 8 (JG-8) "Hermann Matern" Marxwalde airfield, serial number 75035407. Delivered in July 1976, served till 1990, was taken over by Bundeswehr, new tactical number 24+49, then phased out and, so the rumours, given to Croatia to fight the serbs. One comment, the double missile rail was used only for R-60 missiles, not for the heavier R-3S or R-13M. Model still need the plates below the anti-pompage air intakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kukulino 1 Posted June 18, 2009 Than German Mig looks sweet @krizis: chek PMs pls :yes: Than German Mig looks sweet @krizis: chek PMs pls :yes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Spillone104 553 Posted June 18, 2009 Here your dear DDR Mig-21 in real action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgK8CqrobuE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 18, 2009 ahhh gepard, you´re the man! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 22, 2009 Calling for Soulfreak .... .... Souli watch those birds ........ and tell me somethig about ...... Could You read the stencils You sent to me ? The skins are now 2048x2048 .... so You'll be able almost to read them ! If You have something else, please send. Maybe a new (better) picture of Russian stencils for VVs use :yes: . Yours Paulopanz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 22, 2009 great paulo, but one tip for high-rez skins. it looks better to paint the insignias direct on the bitmaps... haven´t got the decal sheet for em. sorry... :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Epizikl 7 Posted June 22, 2009 paulopanz (!) Beautiful skin looks (!). And what model was used (?!). Apparently, the model derived from the MiG-21bis of SF2E ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaolin 0 Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) If someone wants to use them, I made the 800l and the 490l droptanks for the 21 (by Soulfreaks request) - but they might need a better skin (Paint.NET template included)... MiG_21_Droptanks.7z Edited June 22, 2009 by Shaolin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) paulopanz (!) Beautiful skin looks (!). And what model was used (?!). Apparently, the model derived from the MiG-21bis of SF2E ... The model I used is the stock SF-2 Mig-21MF (modded to Mig-21M). Thanks. Paul Edited June 23, 2009 by paulopanz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+paulopanz 2,876 Posted June 23, 2009 great paulo, but one tip for high-rez skins.it looks better to paint the insignias direct on the bitmaps... haven´t got the decal sheet for em. sorry... :( I have some LSK Insignas in the decal sheet You send ... but I don't like very much panting them on the planes. (Numbers never at all ...) In fact, I think that our sim' decals system is the best. I'll try it. Paul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 23, 2009 paulo, if you paint the decals on the bitmaps, you avoid the bleeding of the decals, they will be weathered, the panellines show on the dacals wich all make it look more realistic. thats the reasons why i paint em on the *.bmps... It was only a suggestion / tip... ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Gepard 11,323 Posted June 23, 2009 To make the things a little bit more difficult: Each single MiG-21 of the LSK (east german air force) had had a unique camo sceme. There were no two birds who had the exactly same look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+Soulfreak 6,524 Posted June 23, 2009 experts know that Michael.... but who will do hundrets of different paintshemes for the LSK MiG-21´s??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atreides 144 Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) Really looking forward to these MIG's with great anticipation. Keep up the great work ! MIG's Forever. Edited June 23, 2009 by Atreides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
