Great Old Sanke Card Image

[RAF_Louvert 101]

Good Morning All,

 

I ran across this particular Sanke card last night whilest doing some research, and while I've seen it many times before I'd never run across a scan this large. So, I grabbed it, cleaned it up just a bit, and thought I'd share it here with those who are into these historic little items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, for those who are not already aware of it, here is the link to an outstanding online collection of these old cards: SANKE-CARDS.COM

 

Enjoy!

 

Lou

 

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[Von Paulus 8]

Thanks RAF!

[Creaghorn 10]

very nice. thanks for sharing,

 

must be a sankecard from 1916 because there are only "early" aces (immelmann, boelcke, parschau, wintgens...)

 

 

[Olham 164]

Thank you for sharing, Lou!

Found this one of Josef Mai, and wondered, that he had no visible buttons on his jackett.

Does anyone know, if the non-officer ranks did not have uniforms with visible buttons?

 

Here is a card I just found at Rosebud's website - said to illustrate the first air combat.

Isn't it almost funny, how they are firing their pistols at each other?

 

 

http://www.earlyaero...om/archive1.htm

 

 

 

[Rickitycrate 10]

Thanks for the pic and link Lou. I wish I had a collection of these cards. I appreciate and collect Ephemera, postage stamps, baseball cards etc. One set I have is a reproduction of tobacco cards commemorating the life of Lord Nelson. I have a Gotha GIII tobacco card and Hitler stamps from Germany. Holding those Hitler stamps and considering the facts of their origin and time really gives me a connection that is more tangible than reading a book or watching a film.

 

I know my collection pales in the light of some of you guys. IMHO MK2 has a museums worth of real items that he is taking care of for posterity.

[NS13Jarhead 6]

Thank you for sharing, Lou!

Found this one of Josef Mai, and wondered, that he had no visible buttons on his jackett.

Does anyone know, if the non-officer ranks did not have uniforms with visible buttons?

 

I was going to say "they used velcro", but then I realized that we didn't have that until the aliens landed at Roswell in 1947.

[+Paarma 0]

I think the uniform with this kind of hided buttons is later model, and the early version got buttons visible. Like in army useally, there was used different versions of univorms and i dont think that the later model replaced the older versions.

 

Cheers

 

Arto

 

 

 

Thank you for sharing, Lou!

Found this one of Josef Mai, and wondered, that he had no visible buttons on his jackett.

Does anyone know, if the non-officer ranks did not have uniforms with visible buttons?

 

Here is a card I just found at Rosebud's website - said to illustrate the first air combat.

Isn't it almost funny, how they are firing their pistols at each other?

 

 

http://www.earlyaero...om/archive1.htm

 

 

 

[Von Paulus 8]

Ain't this the same, RAF?

 

 

It's from that site that Olham posted some days ago.

Edited February 25, 2010 by Von Paulus

[+Paarma 0]

I checked the uniform versions and the visible brested officers older version was M1910 and the version where buttons are hided is M1915.

 

Cheers

 

Arto

 

 

 

I think the uniform with this kind of hided buttons is later model, and the early version got buttons visible. Like in army useally, there was used different versions of univorms and i dont think that the later model replaced the older versions.

 

Cheers

 

Arto

 

 

 

 

[Olham 164]

Thanks, Paarma, was just curious, cause I hadn't deen such a jacket before.

[+Paarma 0]

Yes, i have been studied little bit the german uniforms. When officers and NCO´s come from their earlier regiments, there were variations of the uniforms in air service. Cavalry tunics like MvR used, or 2 brested uniforms that v. Althaus use in sanke card. Also Uhlan´s tunic that example von Bülow-Bothkampf seen wear. Officers and NCO´s used officers caps. There were also 2 versions of caps.

 

Cheers

 

Arto

 

 

Thanks, Paarma, was just curious, cause I hadn't deen such a jacket before.

 

 

 

 

 

[Olham 164]

Hadn't seen this picture of "MvR's team" before. This looks like the buildings that still

exist south of Tempelhof Airport - not like anything I've seen from France.

 

http://www.sanke-cards.com/page3.htm

 

Another fact I didn't know is, that there had still been several kingdoms in Germany.

Here is a pic for example, showing the King of Saxony with Immelmann (holding the Meissenplate).

 

 

[Von Paulus 8]

Another fact I didn't know is, that there had still been several kingdoms in Germany.

The German unification was less than 50 years before WWI. They didn't loose their titles. Only their political power was reduced.

Well, I think....

[Olham 164]

Didn't know that, honestly.

[+Paarma 0]

States of German Empire before 1918 was:

 

 

Kingdoms:

Prussia

Bavaria

Saxony

Württemberg

 

 

Grand Duchies:

Baden

Hessen

Mecklenburg-Schwerin

Mecklenburg-Strelitz

Oldenburg

Sachsen-Weimar-Eisenach

 

 

Duchies:

 

Anhalt

Brunswick

Sachsen-Altenburg

Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha

Sachsen-Meiningen

 

 

Principalities:

 

Hohenzollern

Lippe-Detmold

Reuss - Elder and Junior Lines

Schaumburg-Lippe

Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt und Schwarzburg-Sondershausen

Waldeck

 

 

 

[JFM 18]

My understanding is that Sanke 606 was taken at Avesnes-le-Sec. I'll check with a Sanke expert.

 

Edit: Yes, Sanke 606 was taken "near their [JG1] airfield at Avesnes-le-Sec" between 8-19 January 1918. From Lance Bronnenkant's excellent must-have book The Imperial German Eagles in World War 1, Their Postcards and Pictures, 2006, pp 32, 33.

Edited February 26, 2010 by JFM

[Olham 164]

Thank you, JFM. So I learn, that the French had very similar modern building styles

as the Germans had then. It looks exactly like a building south of Tempelhof field,

where the UFA Film Company was resident later.

[RAF_Louvert 101]

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Von Paulus wrote:

 

Ain't this the same, RAF? It's from that site that Olham posted some days ago.

 

Why yes it is VP, and I completely missed Olham's posting of that link. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, that is a super online collection of Sanke card images.

 

BTW, does anyone here collect these? I do not, but I've often considered it.

 

Also, Paarma's list of the states of the German Empire illustrates vividly why there were so many different honours and medals available to the Central Powers pilots. Every Kingdom, Grand Duchy, Duchy, and Principality had at least a dozen they could bestow, and they all wanted to be sure and do so as a matter of local pride. Then you add the awards of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kingdom of Bulgaria into the mix and the list is nearly endless. Heck, a Hun ace probably needed two or three tunics just to hang all their bling-bling on.

 

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[+Paarma 0]

Indeed Von Paulus. Seen some pictures of pilots medal collection. Many 5-30 kill aces got overall 5-8 medals from ww1.

 

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Von Paulus wrote:

 

 

 

Why yes it is VP, and I completely missed Olham's posting of that link. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, that is a super online collection of Sanke card images.

 

BTW, does anyone here collect these? I do not, but I've often considered it.

 

Also, Paarma's list of the states of the German Empire illustrates vividly why there were so many different honours and medals available to the Central Powers pilots. Every Kingdom, Grand Duchy, Duchy, and Principality had at least a dozen they could bestow, and they all wanted to be sure and do so as a matter of local pride. Then you add the awards of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kingdom of Bulgaria into the mix and the list is nearly endless. Heck, a Hun ace probably needed two or three tunics just to hang all their bling-bling on.

 

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