controlling the Campaign

[gastoff 0]

Hello guys,

 

 

I am working on a rework/total mod of Wings over Vietnam.. can't help it vietnam war well i think its the most interesting

war, Most of all because US Forces way ahead of time with technology still they didn't win the war..

iff only they used like on Japan a nuclear bomb... may be a different out come..

 

thats why i also making a what if campaign

 

its allmost complete, i just have to ask permission of some modders to use for saving time on my hand.

 

it got vid's/intro's, 85 % of the usefull aircraft and helo during the whole vietnam war.music / real radio chatter from vietnam.

also the blackops missions or CIA spy missions /agent orange/ farmgate missions.

the total arc light operation.

 

but i wanna know if there is a way to control a little bit the campaign..

 

ground objects like tanks you can tell what targets they must hit during a campaign ..

 

example :

is there a way to tell the campaign engine that bomber 303 squadron hits Hanoi with a nuke

on the date 12-31-1973 or something.

destination telling or how its called.

 

and that that mission only will be performed if North Vietnam capture some airfields or citys or something.

 

if somebody can help me with this or tell me its not posible with this engine please tell me.

they did say it was imposible to refuel during flying in the game they have a addon for it now.

so i am curious if what i want can or can't be done with WOV/WOE engine.

 

greetings

 

Gastoff

 

 

 

 

[+JonathanRL 974]

You cannot create specific missions on specific dates, sadly. That should be on top of my wishlist, but it aint.

 

You can however create a squadron of aircraft that appears on that date and make sure there is an air offensive on Hanoi that date as well. Make sure the Nuke is part of the usual strike package, and do not use that aircraft for any other squadron.

 

However, this means putting off any other Air offensives. The second part of the wish is impossible, I tried it myself, but you cannot have triggers - as the term goes.

 

 

ground objects like tanks you can tell what targets they must hit during a campaign ..

 

This however can be done. You need to check the Strategic Nodes. Then simply "connect the dots" to whatever targets you wish them to engage. Using a Vietnam Targets or Cities list is usually the best way to do this.

 

Another thing you may want to note for your campaign is how China and Soviet Union would have reacted if a Nucelar Solution was applied in Vietnam.

Edited February 16, 2012 by JonathanRL

[gastoff 0]

Strategic Nodes

 

thx , i know who this works for ground objects.

but i was curious if it can work with aircraft or something similar like the strategic nodes

 

i all ready got the nuke b-52 with a nuke starting on second last day of the war.<made a copy of the b-52D and changed the name to B-52nuke.

but it did strike some where else in stead of Hanoi.. that is the thing i need to config.. or a way that it get a mission over Hanoi.

thats why i wanted to know if i can direct it to Hanoi some way.

 

and yeah thx good idea the reaction of Russia and China.

and damn that will be lod of more planes to make/or ask premission for.

at the end of vietnam war the f-14 and the f-15 entered service

its allready 3 GB big<whole game incl. the root files. hahaha i know now it going to be bigger;

 

and how can i add CIA as a selectable service, like USN or USMC or USAF.

or must i edit the CampaignScreen.dll or other dll file for this?

 

now i have CIA selectable under USAF as a squadron named CIA.

but i want it to be its own service so i can add its own music etc.

 

 

and JonathanRL thx for you comment.

but i have a question for you.

do you have any thing interesting or old stuff made but never used or stuff that work for sf1 and sf2..

that i can use for this era and the what if campaign.

 

long version of my intro movie quality is not great i made it with no xvid or other plugins

just wm7 codec and sound on pcm-wave settings.

 

and i have a good idea for you as a campaign for sf2..

i wrote it on a other forum topic under the name patriotDJ or seiran i cant remember

about my country .. the netherlands.. i life near a Airbase that protect the north sea etc.

and last year they did intercept 2 times the tu-95 bear..

 

1 time there is a video from helm camera given free.. februari 2011 2 f-16 from airbase leeuwarden intercepted the patroling tu-95 bear.

tu-95 bear intercepted by 2 dutch f-16's 2011

still some cold war style of warfare left now days. no trainings missions but real intercept.

 

i life aprox. 23 km west from that base, above my city < harlingen they do lot of interceptions,

i see some times commercial 747's flying high with contrials and suddenly one after the other

more contrails popping up next to the plane.

i see these things 2 or 3 times a month but i think it happen a lot more then the times i see it happen.

 

my country was during the cold war era defense shield against the soviets , we still have some nukes from usa here they shift it every night or day or when ever from base to base with number of decoy convoys and 1 real one.

the first country to strike back with nukes if soviet union launched a attack or there was a lauch recorded.

and now with the Iran crisis its also in defqon modus.

and because of one men in my country we have lot of treats of arabic country's named Geert Wilders.

and have one of the biggest habour Rotterdam < not by mass but by how much money they make.

and airport. of europe Schiphol/amsterdam. and the biggest oil company of the world is its for 60% in hands of the queen the netherlands named Shell.

thats why my country is every day of the year in code orange..

 

the netherlands is the biggest money motor of the EU..

if my country cant pay there yearly contribution to the EU, Countrys like spain , portugal Ireland are bankrupt.

so in other words there is a lot in this small country that have terrorist values that don't only hit the netherlands on its own

but the whole UNITED STATES OF EUROPE.

 

i can think lot of scenerio's with this information alone. to make a semi real campaign.

 

i am going to make this one for SF1

SF2 its to heavy for my old but stable game pc.

so if u out of inspiration for campaigns...

 

i don't know how different sf2 is with files and commands but if the basic is the same you can have some of my sf1 campaign to make them for SF2.

 

sorry for the long post.

Edited February 16, 2012 by gastoff

[gastoff 0]

februari 2011 2 f-16 from airbase leeuwarden i mean august 2011

[+JonathanRL 974]

and JonathanRL thx for you comment.

but i have a question for you.

do you have any thing interesting or old stuff made but never used or tuff that work for sf1 and sf2..

that i can use for this era and the what if campaign.

 

Nope. I am a Campaign Writer. I got a team to do my bidding and bring me stuff . Never done a airplane or such myself, but you will find getting permission is not very difficult. Do check the guys who are signed up for the CA Modders Agreement and thats quite many of us.

so if u out of inspiration for campaigns...

 

I never am. I just think a little more North then Netherlands ;-)

 

and how can i add CIA as a selectable service, like USN or USMC or USAF.

or must i edit the CampaignScreen.dll or other dll file for this?

 

now i have CIA selectable under USAF as a squadron named CIA.

but i want it to be its own service so i can add its own music etc.

 

You must dig into a file called Nations.ini. Find it (or extract it), then add this:

 

[Nation (NEXT NUMBER IN LINE)]

Name=CIA

DisplayName=Central Intelligence Agency

Alignment=FRIENDLY

PilotNameList=NamesUSAF.lst

RankList=RanksUSAF.lst

CallsignList=CallsignsUS.lst

Formation.Fighter=USFighter

Formation.Attack=USFighter

Formation.Bomber=USBomber

Formation.Transport=USBomber

Formation.Tank=USTank

Formation.MobileAD=USAD

PilotTrainingStandard=EXCELLENT

GenderRatio=0

DebriefSuccessMusic=DebriefSuccess.wav

DebriefFailMusic=DebriefFail.wav

DebriefKilledMusic=DebriefKilled.wav

SpeechFile=USAFSpeech.cat

SpeechTextFile=USAFSpeechText.cat

Medals=MedalsUSAF.ini

MedalTextFile=MedalsUSAF.str

UseFAC=TRUE

ActiveDate=1948

AlternateDecal=USAF_OLD

 

Then you can add CIA as its own service the usual way.

 

i all ready got the nuke b-52 with a nuke starting on second last day of the war.<made a copy of the b-52D and changed the name to B-52nuke.

but it did strike some where else in stead of Hanoi.. that is the thing i need to config.. or a way that it get a mission over Hanoi.

thats why i wanted to know if i can direct it to Hanoi some way.

 

That is tricky. However, like I said, an Air Offensive is your best bet, but I suspect that you already use it for the start. It also means alot of friendlies in the blast zone. Look for the "AirOffensive[001].Primary=WAREHOUSE" lines. Add a AirOffensive[001].FocusArea=Hanoi

 

Lastly, add StartOffensiveDate=03/05/1966 (Change the date for the day your new squadron appears).

Edited February 16, 2012 by JonathanRL

[gastoff 0]

thx for the quick replay,

 

well CIA it dont work out for me just jet.

but if it only wants to work as service USAF well its not the end of the world for now.

 

That is tricky. However, like I said, an Air Offensive is your best bet, but I suspect that you already use it for the start. It also means alot of friendlies in the blast zone. Look for the "AirOffensive[001].Primary=WAREHOUSE" lines. Add a AirOffensive[001].FocusArea=Hanoi

 

well its not the start of this campaign i made it for more less the end of it.

 

this will be the end of the first part of the what if / alternative ending campaign.

and the clue where the next campaign is a aftermath from.

 

can i chance it from airoffensive001 to the last airoffensive?

 

and for the lot of AI planes.. well i can end there tour of duty a day before the nuke drop.

 

so it will be 1 b-52 left and 1 of the selected squadron for escort/sweep.

 

probably because its a alternative ending i choice the f-14 tomcat squadron that may have fly test combat test missions as the escort/forward sweep.

 

other question where can i find a readme file or pdf or something

that explaines what commands there are, like that FocusArea command, i didn't know i could chance it to focus.

FocusArea or Primary or secondary i know now. but are there more command. in the whole game that can be changed to something else.

 

in the past i edit /tweaked msfs series. i got from that game a couple of pdf/readme's with lists of commands and effects they have to the game

basicly what the engine would allow.

 

is there something like that for SF1 ?

Edited February 16, 2012 by gastoff

[+JonathanRL 974]

No, there is no general collection of scripts. You have to look into peoples campaigns in order to learn available scripts.

 

can i chance it from airoffensive001 to the last airoffensive?

 

It does not work that way. If it is the last air offensive, then the nuke will be dropped when all other targets have been destroyed.

 

well CIA it dont work out for me just jet.

but if it only wants to work as service USAF well its not the end of the world for now.

 

You have to add CIA as a service, the same way as you do USAF.

So instead of USAFUnit and all that, add CIA Unit. Also add CIA in the "Servicelist" in the Campaign.ini

Edited February 17, 2012 by JonathanRL

[Lexx_Luthor 57]

gastoff::

i life aprox. 23 km west from that base, above my city < harlingen they do lot of interceptions,

i see some times commercial 747's flying high with contrials and suddenly one after the other

more contrails popping up next to the plane.

i see these things 2 or 3 times a month but i think it happen a lot more then the times i see it happen.

Very very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

 

Yes, on days with no contrails you won't see it happen easily. Years ago -- 1950s -- we (USA) had our bomber force train against our interceptor force, with some RAF bombers flying with our bombers, and I've seen some descriptions of what it looked like from the ground by a few who looked up and knew what they were looking at. Lots of contrails way up there chasing around the sky at very high altitude. It must have been an amazing thing to see.

 

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If you have nukes in Vietnam, you may enjoy thinking of also adding Russian crewed nuke SAMs. S-75 had a nuke version. Also consider S-125 and S-200 (nuke or conventional) as well if you are going way out fictional. Also maybe add 2k11 Krug (that big ramjet mobile SAM). Lots of fictional possibilities.

[+Gepard 11,288]

Setting of the exact date of airraids is not easy. But setting the area of attack you can do with a line like this in the campaign_data.ini

 

AirOffensive[001].FocusArea=Hanoi

 

what means, that in the first phase of the campaign targets in Hanoi area will attacked.

[gastoff 0]

 

It must have been an amazing thing to see.

 

yes it was cool to see the first time i didn't believe what i saw, after that i allways have a small binocular in my jacket.

to see it much better.

 

 

If you have nukes in Vietnam, you may enjoy thinking of also adding Russian crewed nuke SAMs. S-75 had a nuke version. Also consider S-125 and S-200 (nuke or conventional) as well if you are going way out fictional. Also maybe add 2k11 Krug (that big ramjet mobile SAM). Lots of fictional possibilities.

 

great idea, well i was shot downa few times between Hanoi and Hai Phong.. there was some heavy sam/ AAA activity there

 

and speaking about Russian Nukes.. tsar Bomb as retaliation how about that

than America have most likely a ACID day hahahah word jokes

 

 

A Problem i found after 2:30 hours of test flying the Campaign

after a few missions something strange happend no not a UFO unfortunately:rofl:

no SAM no AAA no enemy aircraft.. and i only get recon missions from the campaign generator. but i have my recon set on 0.

and i start the campaign on june 1 1965 thats the first date of the first mission second mission is in December ..

but in december it generates missions every 4 days..

 

so it skipped 6 months between mission 1 and 2.

 

but this is my campaign ini

 

[CampaignData]

StartDate=06/01/1965

StartDateDeviation=0

EndDate=08/15/1973

ForceWithInitiative=1

MaxMissions=30

NormalMissionRate=180

NormalMissionRateDeviation=10

OffensiveMissionRate=1

OffensiveMissionRateDeviation=6

 

[Force001]

Alignment=FRIENDLY

Nation=USAF

BaseArea=Saigon

AirOffensive[001].Primary=WAREHOUSE

AirOffensive[001].Secondary=NAVAL_BASE,BRIDGE

AirOffensive[002].Primary=BRIDGE

etc..

GroundOffensiveAllowed=FALSE

StartGroundOffensive=100

StartInterdiction=1

Morale=100

Supply=100

NormalSupplyRate=50

OffensiveSupplyRate=-5

DefensiveSupplyRate=-5

SupplyForOffensive=60

AircraftReplacementTime=180

AircraftReplacement=60

GroundUnitReplacementTime=180

GroundUnitReplacement=100

RandomTransportType=ANY

WeaponResupplyTime=180

StartAirDefenseLevel=0

RulesOfEngagement=TRUE

UseFAC=TRUE

 

the plane i fly is

//----- Player Unit

[AirUnit088]

AircraftType=F-8C_MF

Squadron=VF84

ForceID=1

Nation=USN

StartDate=06/01/1965

RetireDate=08/15/1973

DefaultTexture=VF-84

StartNumber=25

BaseArea=Yankee Station

CarrierBased=TRUE

CarrierNumber=62

BaseMoveChance=0

RandomChance=100

MaxAircraft=12

StartAircraft=8

MaxPilots=20

StartPilots=16

Experience=100

Morale=100

Supply=100

MissionChance[sWEEP]=90

MissionChance[CAP]=90

MissionChance[iNTERCEPT]=90

MissionChance[ESCORT]=0

MissionChance=0

MissionChance[CAS]=0

MissionChance[sEAD]=0

MissionChance[ARMED_RECON]=0

MissionChance[ANTI_SHIP]=0

MissionChance[RECON]=0

UpgradeType=FIXED

Upgrade[01].Year=1966

Upgrade[01].Type=F-4J

Upgrade[01].Texture=84

Upgrade[02].Year=1967

Upgrade[02].Type=F-14A

Upgrade[02].Texture=VF84

Supply[001] bla bla bla...

Supply[012].Quantity=1080

Supply[012].WeaponType=AIM-54V < my own version the aim 54 was all ready made before the tomcat was even build. more less test /development version, very unreliable wors than the aim-54A version.. in the game.

 

also i made a copy of the aim-54 to make the aim-4D Falcon. but no good skin for it..

the model looks allmost the same.. in real life..only the colours dont match

now it look strange F-4 and A-4C with AIM-54's

 

enemy planes

[AirUnit151]

AircraftType=MiG-15UTI/ and mig17s

UnitName=2/921st "Sao Do" Fighter Regiment/ bla bla/ bla bla

ForceID=2

Nation=NVietnam

DefaultTexture=SovietSilver1/VPAFCamo1/VPAFCamo2

StartNumber=3

BaseArea=Noi Bai Airfield/ Kep Airfield

BaseMoveChance=0

RandomChance=100

MaxAircraft=6

StartAircraft=6

 

i used this for the B52-D bombers that are doing the CAP missions during Arc Light :

 

[AIData]

AileronDeltaRoll=1.0

AileronRollRate=-1.0

ElevatorDeltaPitch=0.5

ElevatorPitchRate=-0.02

ThrottleDeltaSpeed=0.1

ThrottleVelocity=-0.01

DeltaSpeedForAfterburner=10

DeltaSpeedForAirbrakes=-50

MaxPitchForAltitude=19.0

MinPitchForAltitude=-10.0

PitchForThrottle=0.002

PitchForAltitude=0.003

PitchForVerticalVelocity=-0.001

RollForHeading=10.0

RollForHeadingRate=-0.5

MinRollHeading=5.0

MaxRollForHeading=45.0

FormationSpeedForPosition=0.8

FormationSpeedForRate=0.5

MaxAlpha=18

TakeOffRotationAngle=25

SafeAltitude=18000

MaxPitchCombat=15

 

now they drop bomb from high in the sky like they did during arc light instead of diving down like the AI normaly does.

also used for the U-2A spyplane by a higher safe altitude.. the U-2A spy plane when flown by AI they dive down from high when they reached there objective..

 

but what have i done wrong why there is after few missions no AAA or Sam or even Enemy planes.

 

the nuke is not dropped yet

 

that will happen between 08/13/1973 to 08/15/1973