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Seems like the Stock SF2 NA Tomcats can't use AIM-54 Phoenix I tested both F-14A and F-14A_77 neither one could load Phoenix missiles they didn't even show up in the arming screen and yes I tested it under the operational years of the Phoenix missiles.

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Darth, do you have a weapons pack installed? If you do find the AIM-54A in it and rename it (AIM-54A1). Its overwriting the stock AIM-54A and the specific station codes are different.

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Darth, do you have a weapons pack installed? If you do find the AIM-54A in it and rename it (AIM-54A1). Its overwriting the stock AIM-54A and the specific station codes are different.

 

Yes I have a weaponspack installed. I'll try your suggestion. I'll be back when I have tested it

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Darth, do you have a weapons pack installed? If you do find the AIM-54A in it and rename it (AIM-54A1). Its overwriting the stock AIM-54A and the specific station codes are different.

 

That didn't help they still don't show up as selectable in the arming screen. I tested both AIM-54A1 & (AIM-54A1)

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Try to delete the weapons pack.

 

I fixed it by changing the specificstation in the Data.ini file for the Phoenix missile from F14 to AIM54 and that did the trick. Thanks for all the help.

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Don't forget to update the TMF Tomcats to "AIM54" for the SSD so that you can load the Phoenix on them as well.

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Don't forget to update the TMF Tomcats to "AIM54" for the SSD so that you can load the Phoenix on them as well.

 

I have the same problem. I changed the name to AIM-54 in my AIM-54A folder and now I cant load the other F14s.

What do you mean by "update the TMF Tomcats to "AIM54" for the SSD "?

 

 

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I have the same problem. I changed the name to AIM-54 in my AIM-54A folder and now I cant load the other F14s.

What do you mean by "update the TMF Tomcats to "AIM54" for the SSD "?

 

In the MF F-14s Data.ini in the Weapon Stations section change:

 

[PhoenixStation4]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=2

StationType=SEMI_RECESSED

AttachmentPosition=-0.45,-2.7,-0.891

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0

LoadLimit=2000.0

ModelNodeName=suppphoenix03

AllowedWeaponClass=AHM

AttachmentType=USN

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

SpecificStationCode=F14 <------ Change this to AIM54.

 

To the same on all Phoenix stations on all Mirage factories Tomcats

 

Then you can load Phoenix on Mirage factories tomcats as well

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Just a reminder, if you change the name of the missle, you must change the name of the ini. file inside the folder to match.

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In the MF F-14s Data.ini in the Weapon Stations section change:

 

[PhoenixStation4]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=9

StationGroupID=2

StationType=SEMI_RECESSED

AttachmentPosition=-0.45,-2.7,-0.891

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

EjectVelocity=0.0,-2.0,0.0

LoadLimit=2000.0

ModelNodeName=suppphoenix03

AllowedWeaponClass=AHM

AttachmentType=USN

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

SpecificStationCode=F14 <------ Change this to AIM54.

 

To the same on all Phoenix stations on all Mirage factories Tomcats

 

Then you can load Phoenix on Mirage factories tomcats as well

 

Got it,

Thanks.

 

I think I also have to change the F14 to AIM-54 here too:

 

 

 

[MissileStation1ter]

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=17

StationGroupID=4

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=-3.179,-0.28,-0.653

AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=550.00

AllowedWeaponClass=AHM

AttachmentType=USN

ModelNodeName=LeftPhoenix

PylonMass=

LaunchRailNodeName=

MissileRollAngle=0.0

MinExtentPosition=

MaxExtentPosition=

SpecificStationCode=F14 <================= Change to AIM-54

 

 

 

 

 

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We're working on a general update that will standardize all AIM-54's on the TMF F-14's.

 

What you're going to want to do is change both your AIM-54's SpecificStationCode(s) to AIM54, and change the pylons in your F-14 Data.ini's from F14 to AIM54, but only do so on your Phoenix pylons (MissileStation1Ter, MissileStation2Ter, and PhoenixStation1-4), if you change all of the SCC's that list F14, you might loose LANTIRN, TARPS and the fuel tanks. So, on those stations, the SCC needs to match the AIM-54's SCC. The entry should read:

 

SpecificStationCode=AIM54

Edited by Caesar

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I just changed the TMF ones by adding the suffix _TMF to the weapons, adjusted the data and loadout inis accordingly. That removed any conflict between the 3W 54s and the older ones. Never had a problem

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Can someone please post their counter measures section from one of their F-14 aircraft data.ini files.

 

My F-14s dont have chaff or flares any more. It says 0 flares and 0 chaff when I press" x" and "c"!!!

 

Also my F-14s TCS camera doesnt work.

And how do I use the TARPS ?

 

Can someone please help?

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You didn't happen to adjust the SpecificStationCode(s) in the countermeasures sections did you? The countermeasures are driven by a combination of the data.ini for the hardpoint and loading with the loadout.ini. This allowed us to make realistic loadouts depending on the mission the aircraft is flying (for TARPS, for example: Expanded Chaff Adapter with 120chaff and ALQ-167 jammer, and 60 flares in the ALE-29/39 instead of 30c/30f). An example from the loadout.ini -

 

[AirToAir'82]

StartDefaultDate=1982

DefaultFor=SWEEP,ESCORT

Loadout[29].WeaponType=F14DDE <========That is your expendable countermeasures

Loadout[29].Quantity=1

Loadout[11].WeaponType=AIM-54A

Loadout[11].Quantity=1

...

 

In your weapons folder, you will see a folder F14DDE which is the 30 chaff/30 flare expendable countermeasures

 

[WeaponData001]

TypeName=F14DDE

FullName=F-14 AN/ALE-29

ModelName=

Mass=150.000000

Diameter=0.000000

Length=0.050000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.000000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.000000

AttachmentType=USN

SpecificStationCode=D14 <================== Like the AIM-54, this has to match the data.ini's entry.

...

 

Whose SSC links to the Data.ini -

 

[DecoyDispenser]

ReferenceName=AN/ALE-29/39

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=29

StationGroupID=0

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=200.0

AllowedWeaponClass=EP

SpecificStationCode=D14 <=============This dictates the specific station for the dispenser

...

 

If any of the SpecificStationCodes were changed by accident, your related expendable countermeasures will disappear. Ensure all SCC's match up. The F-14 also has about 6 different countermeasure folders: F14DDE (30 chaff/30 flare), F14DDL (60 flares, for use with either ECA or Bol Chaff), LBDD (Left Bol Chaff - 1996 on), RBDD (Right Bol Chaff - 1996 on), ECA (Expanded Chaff Adapter for TARPS), and EFA (Expanded Flare Adapter). Ensure you still have these folders.

 

The TCS camera is selected by pressing "]" (default) to cycle HSD modes in the F-14A_82 and all F-14B's, but is actually broken in the current iterations of the F-14D's and will be fixed with the next update that is currently being worked on (hopefully projecting in the VDI instead of the HSD, but that's proving kind of tricky at the moment, but progress is being made). The F-14A_74 does not have TCS. As it stands, the TCS is really just another forward looking camera repeating what you're seeing since it cannot be slaved to the radar in the TW series - at least not yet.

 

TARPS is similar; it is just there for looks, you can't actually take pictures or see through its various cameras at this time. Assume your RIO has control over it as you fly over your target!

 

Hope this helps.

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You didn't happen to adjust the SpecificStationCode(s) in the countermeasures sections did you? The countermeasures are driven by a combination of the data.ini for the hardpoint and loading with the loadout.ini. This allowed us to make realistic loadouts depending on the mission the aircraft is flying (for TARPS, for example: Expanded Chaff Adapter with 120chaff and ALQ-167 jammer, and 60 flares in the ALE-29/39 instead of 30c/30f). An example from the loadout.ini -

 

[AirToAir'82]

StartDefaultDate=1982

DefaultFor=SWEEP,ESCORT

Loadout[29].WeaponType=F14DDE <========That is your expendable countermeasures

Loadout[29].Quantity=1

Loadout[11].WeaponType=AIM-54A

Loadout[11].Quantity=1

...

 

In your weapons folder, you will see a folder F14DDE which is the 30 chaff/30 flare expendable countermeasures

 

[WeaponData001]

TypeName=F14DDE

FullName=F-14 AN/ALE-29

ModelName=

Mass=150.000000

Diameter=0.000000

Length=0.050000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.000000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.000000

AttachmentType=USN

SpecificStationCode=D14 <================== Like the AIM-54, this has to match the data.ini's entry.

...

 

Whose SSC links to the Data.ini -

 

[DecoyDispenser]

ReferenceName=AN/ALE-29/39

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=29

StationGroupID=0

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=200.0

AllowedWeaponClass=EP

SpecificStationCode=D14 <=============This dictates the specific station for the dispenser

...

 

If any of the SpecificStationCodes were changed by accident, your related expendable countermeasures will disappear. Ensure all SCC's match up. The F-14 also has about 6 different countermeasure folders: F14DDE (30 chaff/30 flare), F14DDL (60 flares, for use with either ECA or Bol Chaff), LBDD (Left Bol Chaff - 1996 on), RBDD (Right Bol Chaff - 1996 on), ECA (Expanded Chaff Adapter for TARPS), and EFA (Expanded Flare Adapter). Ensure you still have these folders.

 

The TCS camera is selected by pressing "]" (default) to cycle HSD modes in the F-14A_82 and all F-14B's, but is actually broken in the current iterations of the F-14D's and will be fixed with the next update that is currently being worked on (hopefully projecting in the VDI instead of the HSD, but that's proving kind of tricky at the moment, but progress is being made). The F-14A_74 does not have TCS. As it stands, the TCS is really just another forward looking camera repeating what you're seeing since it cannot be slaved to the radar in the TW series - at least not yet.

 

TARPS is similar; it is just there for looks, you can't actually take pictures or see through its various cameras at this time. Assume your RIO has control over it as you fly over your target!

 

Hope this helps.

 

The weapons are there in the weapons folder, but my F-14A_82 data.ini for example does not have a this section that you posted:

 

[DecoyDispenser]

ReferenceName=AN/ALE-29/39

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=29

StationGroupID=0

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=200.0

AllowedWeaponClass=EP

SpecificStationCode=D14

What should I do?

I had a good laugh when i got to this part thought : "Assume your RIO has control over it as you fly over your target!" LOL

Edited by abmhawk

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Another problem with the TMF F-14 is that you cant take multiple targets using the AIM-54 and also your wing man cant shoot at targets that are acquired by your radar.

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Okay, now I have to ask which version you're using, since we added the multi-target engagement, smooth wing animation, etc. back in April 2012, and haven't ever had problems with tasking wingmen to shoot at the player target.

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Can someone please post their counter measures section from one of their F-14 aircraft data.ini files.

 

My F-14s dont have chaff or flares any more. It says 0 flares and 0 chaff when I press" x" and "c"!!!

 

Also my F-14s TCS camera doesnt work.

And how do I use the TARPS ?

 

Can someone please help?

 

I had the same problems then I saw that I still used version 1.14 + fixes. How could I've missed the

F-14 Superpack version 1.18?

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The most current version of the F-14 Super Pack is v1.18, and there are two updates that were released in April - TMF F-14 Tomcat SP Update April 2012 in the Downloads/Aircraft section added the smooth wingsweep, changed the flight model a bit, loadouts and a few other things, then Avionics Update April 2012 (v1.1) in the Downloads/Cockpits section, which added the properly functioning VDI, functional TWS/multi-target engagement and general F-14 avionics by utilizing the AvionicsF14A.dll file.

 

That version overall has one bug in F-14D_96's loadout where I assigned the Phoenix to the wrong stations by default in AirtoAir'96 (can be changed easy enough). We're hoping to release a new update this month which will use an FM based on but not identical to the ThirdWire F-14, add an F-14A_96, and fix the HSI wheel, among other things. It is hoped that this will all be combined into F-14 SP v1.19, the main reason for releasing a stand-alone update is so all those who already have the Super Pack won't have to download the whole file again. Until this is released, my best recommendation is to start with v1.18 and apply the two April 2012 patches. This will give you the radar/weapon functionality, smooth sweep, VDI, HUD with functional Vc, altitude and approach configurations, etc.

Edited by Caesar

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You didn't happen to adjust the SpecificStationCode(s) in the countermeasures sections did you? The countermeasures are driven by a combination of the data.ini for the hardpoint and loading with the loadout.ini. This allowed us to make realistic loadouts depending on the mission the aircraft is flying (for TARPS, for example: Expanded Chaff Adapter with 120chaff and ALQ-167 jammer, and 60 flares in the ALE-29/39 instead of 30c/30f). An example from the loadout.ini -

 

[AirToAir'82]

StartDefaultDate=1982

DefaultFor=SWEEP,ESCORT

Loadout[29].WeaponType=F14DDE <========That is your expendable countermeasures

Loadout[29].Quantity=1

Loadout[11].WeaponType=AIM-54A

Loadout[11].Quantity=1

...

 

In your weapons folder, you will see a folder F14DDE which is the 30 chaff/30 flare expendable countermeasures

 

[WeaponData001]

TypeName=F14DDE

FullName=F-14 AN/ALE-29

ModelName=

Mass=150.000000

Diameter=0.000000

Length=0.050000

SubsonicDragCoeff=0.000000

SupersonicDragCoeff=0.000000

AttachmentType=USN

SpecificStationCode=D14 <================== Like the AIM-54, this has to match the data.ini's entry.

...

 

Whose SSC links to the Data.ini -

 

[DecoyDispenser]

ReferenceName=AN/ALE-29/39

SystemType=WEAPON_STATION

StationID=29

StationGroupID=0

StationType=EXTERNAL

AttachmentPosition=0.0,0.0,0.0

LoadLimit=200.0

AllowedWeaponClass=EP

SpecificStationCode=D14 <=============This dictates the specific station for the dispenser

...

 

If any of the SpecificStationCodes were changed by accident, your related expendable countermeasures will disappear. Ensure all SCC's match up. The F-14 also has about 6 different countermeasure folders: F14DDE (30 chaff/30 flare), F14DDL (60 flares, for use with either ECA or Bol Chaff), LBDD (Left Bol Chaff - 1996 on), RBDD (Right Bol Chaff - 1996 on), ECA (Expanded Chaff Adapter for TARPS), and EFA (Expanded Flare Adapter). Ensure you still have these folders.

 

The TCS camera is selected by pressing "]" (default) to cycle HSD modes in the F-14A_82 and all F-14B's, but is actually broken in the current iterations of the F-14D's and will be fixed with the next update that is currently being worked on (hopefully projecting in the VDI instead of the HSD, but that's proving kind of tricky at the moment, but progress is being made). The F-14A_74 does not have TCS. As it stands, the TCS is really just another forward looking camera repeating what you're seeing since it cannot be slaved to the radar in the TW series - at least not yet.

 

TARPS is similar; it is just there for looks, you can't actually take pictures or see through its various cameras at this time. Assume your RIO has control over it as you fly over your target!

 

Hope this helps.

 

Ok,

 

now I have the 1.18 version. But when i go on the single mission and use one of the F-14s (the B'sand D's) from the super pack, they dont have a defult load out, and their chaff and flares still dont work and I've also check the specification codes and they're fine. I also cant tell my wing man to shoot at my target when I'm using the F-14 B and D, but everything fine on my F-14 A's.

 

Have I done something wrong?

 

 

 

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Any chance you can 7zip the .ini's from one of the planes that is giving you trouble? I'd like to check them against my files, because I have no idea what is causing this much trouble. Also, we had one other member loose expendable countermeasures before; it turned out he was missing four of the requisite folders. I don't know what caused that, but once replaced, they started working again. As for why your wingmen aren't attacking, that is beyond me, I can't recreate the problem.

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