Olham 164 Posted March 2, 2014 Just thought, that we should revive a quiz about WOFF and WW1 aviation again, like RAF_Louvert, short Lou, had once made. Let me start with a tricky question here. What is the most likely reason, why German ace Carl Bolle (Karl Bolle) painted his Albatros D.V in Jasta 28w all white? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 2, 2014 . Well, the obvious answer would seem to be so that he could better hide in the clouds when attacking from above. But I've a hunch it's not that obvious. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 2, 2014 Indeed - it isn't. Mmuahahahahaaa!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 2, 2014 . OK Olham, did Bolle actually have his D.V painted white or was it because he had been given one of the very early production versions which, if memory serves, where painted with an overall 'aluminum' finish? Keep in mind my memory is not serving as well as it did in years past so I could be way off base here. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 2, 2014 No, that is not my "most likely" reason - his D.V and also his D.Va were white, or a kind of white. German flyers often picked their colours for reasons, which had nothing to do with the war. So some used the colours of their hometown's city arms; others picked the colours of their favourite football club. For Carl Bolle, there is a very good reason, why he should have just picked white. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 2, 2014 . Aaaaah ... could it be a tip of the hat to his former cavalry unit, the 7th Von Seydlitz Kürassier-Regiment, and their white dress uniforms? . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimAttrill 24 Posted March 2, 2014 Maybe that was the only colour they had in stores Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Because he played ice hockey when he attended Oxford in 1912? Edited March 2, 2014 by Hauksbee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Yes, the white uniforms of the Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 7 are a good reason too. I must confess, I hadn't even checked those uniforms, but that is a very good point, guys! But there is another very good reason, why he might have chosen white. And since I just realised, that it is not mentioned in English WIKIPEDIA, but the Germanit is, this is my hint - maybe you can get the point from looking there. Edited March 2, 2014 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adger 87 Posted March 2, 2014 Is it because he came from a long line of family that had a lot to do with Milk?His Grandfather i think.. Dairy farmers? milk producers something like that Olham...Maybe ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 2, 2014 . That's IT Adger! He was the first poster child for the original "Got Milk?" ad campaign. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Adger is correct - Carl Bolle's grandfather installed the big BOLLE dairy company, which is so famous in Berlin and beyond, that they even had an own song about Bolle, the milk-man with the hand bell. The company started with many milk carts, pulled by horses. Later it became an imperium of supermarkets. Their logo still has the milk-boy with the bell in it. But: the uniforms may also have been a reason Let's play it this way: the winner puts the next question - okay? So it's Adger's turn! Edited March 2, 2014 by Olham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adger 87 Posted March 2, 2014 ok guys 1st of all i want his Full name including "nickname" 2nd,i want his squadron and lastly the plane type ..ther,es been discussions regarding this guys "Ace" status,he,d actually been incorrectly credited with 16 victories How many did he actually shoot down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
von Baur 54 Posted March 2, 2014 Darn!! I was going to guess that Bolle left his aircraft out in the sun too long and it bleached the color out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hauksbee 103 Posted March 3, 2014 For starters, it's a Sopwith Pup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 3, 2014 . I'm surprised no one has provided the answer for this one yet, but what the hey, here goes. Captain Robert "Oxo" Oxspring flew the Pup with both 54 Sqn and 66 Sqn. He had a total of three confirmed victories, (two with 54 and one with 66), so technically he is not an ace but a brave flyer none-the-less. His son, also Robert Oxspring, was an ace in WWII where he accumulated 13 1/2 victories flying the Spitfire. An interesting note on Pup A673 shown in your screenie Adger, after it served in 54 Sqn it was reassigned to 46 Sdn where it was shot down by Jasta 12 on 16 September 1917. . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adger 87 Posted March 3, 2014 RAF Louverts the Man..spot on So how did the "16" incorrect credited victories appear Lou?Was it made up ,bad claiming or something else.Id love to know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
von Baur 54 Posted March 3, 2014 Just a guess, but could it have been someone mistakenly combining his three with his son's 13 1/2 (rounded down to 13?) because of the names being the same? Or is that just a coincidence? When does the 16 first show up? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 3, 2014 I'm surprised no one has provided the answer for this one yet... Hey, I am excused - after all, we have nighthours here, when you have dinner time! Seems it's your turn now, Lou! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) . Alrighty then, this French ace served in the infantry before the war. In 1915 he applied for and was granted transfer to the French Air Service and after being brevetted was eventually assigned to combat duty where he flew with the same escadrille until his death. He shares a certain claim to fame with Belgian ace Willy Coppens. He was also quite famous before the war for an entirely different ability than flying. Give this French flyer's full name, the escadrille he served with, his finally victory tally, what he had in common with Coppens, what he was famous for before the war, and what his personal emblem was on his Nieuport 17. GO! Oh, and to Adger's question about the discrepancy in Oxsmith's victory tally, I am quite sure von Baur is correct about he and his son's totals being combined by those not realizing it was two different pilots with the same name. . Edited March 3, 2014 by RAF_Louvert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adger 87 Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) Im going to take a guess Here Lou.I Think the flyers name is Charles NunGesser..Esc 65 he achieved 43 victorys..What he had in common im not sure off...was he an excellent Racing driver,and he had a skull and crossbones a coffin and some candles has his emblem? after all this im probably miles away Lou Did they both win the French Croix de Guerre? Edited March 3, 2014 by Adger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Olham 164 Posted March 3, 2014 Gee, I think I might be close! But let us see, if any French fellers will take part here? If nobody comes until midnight, I will reveal my guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAF_Louvert 101 Posted March 3, 2014 . Adger, Nungesser served with four different squadrons during his time in service so he is not the ace we are looking for. Better luck in the next round Sir. . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adger 87 Posted March 3, 2014 . Adger, Nungesser served with four different squadrons during his time in service so he is not the ace we are looking for. Better luck in the next round Sir. AHH bloody Hell ,..ha ha ,great questions BTW Lou . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
corsaire31 7 Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) As french pilot, I have to give it a try : Maurice Boyau - 35 victories Was a famous rugby player before the war (I live in rugby land...) Started the war in the 144e régiment d'Infanterie In October 1916 he joins Escadrille N77 (nicknamed "l'escadrille des sportifs") His Nieuport had a dragoon on a white fuselage. What he shares with Willy Coppens is probably balloon hunting. (he was among the first ones to use Le Prieur rockets on his Spad XIII) He was killed on Sept 16 1918 Edited March 4, 2014 by corsaire31 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
