Did not give up on the modern jets

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

V2K recheck pls the "Shape" of the Vtails, you have no edges on the surface on the real thing and ther e is no flat "area" on top of them. This flat surface was on the old MiG-25 SF1 & 2 models, but that was wrong.

 

here a kind of side view of the 31`s Vtail

 

 

And as you can see on the last pic, the round shape of the "nozzles / Exhaust" area is going over to the tail part of the fuselage. I t has a less edgy shape as the MiG-25

And the exhaust`s need to be moved more invard as you can see it on the last pic too

 

3 views are good for the overall rough shape and dimensions but for details I use always walkarounds, you see the difference?!

 

 

 

 

My Vtails are also under construction

Edited May 11, 2014 by 76.IAP-Blackbird

[Stratos 3,192]

Coupi, i saw you are making the Fouga Skin, i took a walkaround of one on a museum here, if you need to get more details, i´ll be happy to share it.

 

Salvadorean Magisters? Will like to see more of them.

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

Question. the Airbrakes act also as part of the gear doors...how can they be set up for both ? either one works or the other

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

still looking for some help giving this bird a proper skin...IM me please

[Stratos 3,192]

Beautiful bird Veltro! Looks really cool!

[+russouk2004 6,958]

For airbrake\gear door problem....for a\b anim...create an invisible box etc...use box for animation  as parent for a\b,and then for the box, link to whatever the a\b was linked to...then in ini use the name of the box...so it operates independent of gear door as required.

I had to use that method for a gear shock anim as it used same parts for 2 animations,that way u get them to act as seperate anims or together

if u have trouble...send me the max file and i ll set it up for you..

not sure but I think you left out intake doors for anti debris ingestion and extra intake of air for landind at slow speeds...see pice below.31 has them..im sure the 25 had them too..

mig 31 nozzles completely different.for the ..outer petals gone...its one single outer cover, for the 25   they removed petals where nozzles met to aid them opening fully,and fitted an insert...see here below 2 pics mig25 burners,last pic mig31 with all in one outer covers.

Edited June 2, 2014 by russouk2004

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Veltro, have you worked out the intakes? Placed the engines "fans" at the right place / depth inside the intake?

 

We have worked around it on our MiG-25, was a PITA together with the landing gear, but it worked! Hope to see similar stuff on your bird. Looks good so far

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

This is what I mean

 

Look how deep our fans are placed, position is final, only working on the right diameter of the intake tunel

 

 

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

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[+russouk2004 6,958]

here you go...engine placement

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

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[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Do you have something similar for the 25?

[+russouk2004 6,958]

more or less the same ...

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

Need to model the intake cover, can those parts be activated by speed changes without needing an animation slot for them? They slow down the airspeed inside the intakes, as the plane gets faster, so that would be a nice visual effect. But Im not sur eIf I ran out of animationslots on the 17 or the 25 

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

Need to model the intake cover, can those parts be activated by speed changes without needing an animation slot for them? They slow down the airspeed inside the intakes, as the plane gets faster, so that would be a nice visual effect. But Im not sur eIf I ran out of animationslots on the 17 or the 25 

we talking about the 31 or 25 ?

[+FLOGGER23 3,064]

It Applies to both, Ed, i would like to check those jpgs, to see what can be done, if you have the patience of course, since i'm also working in your Blackjack, just if possible, i have some walkarounds of the 31...

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

went on youtube..don't see that the intakes move like the one on the f-15 ?

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

not the whole intakes, there are kind of plates inside the intakes

[+logan4 847]

Blackbird talks about this aspect of the intakes.

 

 

 

 

Edit: in theory if you link each plate to the next you can use them without animation setting, only you have to set their pivot points to their edges so the rotation will happen on the right place. Also you will have to create an entry for each plate in the data.ini.

use:

SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE

DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH

 

For the deploy, retract and deflection values you will have to experiment to get it right.

Edited June 3, 2014 by logan4

[+76.IAP-Blackbird 3,557]

perfect

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

something like this ?

[+russouk2004 6,958]

Same as on the 29....large door stops ingestion of debris on taxitakoff   lower is for extra volume of air into intakes on lowspeed approach...

2 blue meshes here ...urs looks ok...

 

[+russouk2004 6,958]

Lower door set as

SystemType=HIGHLIFT_DEVICE

DeploymentMethod=AUTOMATIC_MACH or...as its for landing....set to open with flaps

intake doors are set with main gears anim

when gears down,doors slightly open more or less as above...then close when gears up...or off ground,whichever is 1st

Edited June 3, 2014 by russouk2004

[+russouk2004 6,958]

on vid on this page,bottom door is indeed shown retracting when gear closes and opening when gear does...lower ramp that is..

http://combatace.com/topic/67464-wip-mig-25pd-cockpit/page-12

[+Veltro2k 6,351]

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