AA-8 problem

[bigpig98 0]

Hey could someone help me, when i use Mig-21bis with 4 AA-8 Aphids on inner pylons then it just appears as an empty pylon in game. it works if i only use 2 aphids. but that means i cant get a full missile load.

thanks.

[SayethWhaaaa 245]

Sounds like you don't have the '2IR' entry under the 'AllowedWeaponClass=' entry. Open up the Mig-21bis_Data.ini and have a butchers at the LeftWingStation/RightWingStation entries (they might show up as 'InnerLeftWingStation' or some variation of that. It should look something like this (this is my entry for my Mig-21-93, but it's identical where it counts):

[LeftWingStation1]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=3
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=-2.01,-1.26,-0.38
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=1000.0                                                                                                                  <<-------- Make sure the allowable weight is enough for 2 Aphids and the dual IR rack. Just pump this value up a bit. 1000 is more than enough for 2x Aphids.
AllowedWeaponClass=AHM,IRM,2IR,SAHM,BOMB,LGB,EOGB,EOGR,LGR,RP,TER,FT     <<-------- Make sure the entry 2IR is in here somewhere
AttachmentType=SOVIET,
ModelNodeName=WingPylon_L
PylonMass=60
PylonDragArea=0.02
LaunchRailNodeName=MissileRail_L
LaunchRailHeight=0.10
LaunchRailMass=25


Try that and see how you go. Let us know if it doesn't. If it doesn't, just copy and paste the entry for your left/right wing stations you're trying to mod and we can figure it out from there.
 

[bigpig98 0]

okay i think its something else because if i click on it in the loadout it works but if i dont it doesnt appear, so non-player planes cant have it. heres the part of the data.ini

 

[LeftWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=3
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=-2.01,-0.58,-0.39
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=1000.0
LengthLimit=3.5
AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,IRM,SAHM,CGR,2IR
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=WingPylon_L
PylonMass=60
PylonDragArea=0.02
LaunchRailNodeName=MissileRail_L
LaunchRailHeight=0.10
LaunchRailMass=25
RackSpecificStationCode=RACK_AA-8

[RightWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=4
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=2.01,-0.58,-0.39
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=1000.0
LengthLimit=3.5
AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,IRM,SAHM,CGR,2IR
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=WingPylon_R
PylonMass=60
PylonDragArea=0.02
LaunchRailNodeName=MissileRail_R
LaunchRailHeight=0.10
LaunchRailMass=25
RackSpecificStationCode=RACK_AA-8

[Snailman 517]

RackSpecificStationCode=RACK_AA-8

 

this line should be removed all together, because the current (?) RackSpecificStation code is either different, or there is none - also it prevents loading of other racks like the MDB2-67

 

MiG-21 loadout will be fixed very soon, maybe even today...  I 'm about to release some testing planes with the next RSSW Test version.

 

2IR_AA8 is the rack reference name which is used by 2x R-60 missiles.

Edited December 13, 2014 by Snailman

[bigpig98 0]

okay for some reason it 4x AA8 is not an option anymore only 2x AA8 total, even though i still have "2IR" as an allowed weapon class

[Fubar512 1,350]

Do you have the dual racks mentioned in the aircraft's loadout.ini file?

[bigpig98 0]

do you mean 2IR_AA8? in RACKTYPE?

[Fubar512 1,350]

Yes.  Is it loading when you choose a default loadout?

[Wrench 9,847]

this is the STOCK loadout ini for the 3rd Wire 21bis:

 

 

// Station 1 = Left Outer Wing Station
// Station 2 = Right Outer Wing Station
// Station 3 = Left Wing Station
// Station 4 = Right Wing Station
// Station 5 = Fueslage Centerline Station

 

[AirToAir]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=
Loadout[05].Quantity=0

 

[AirToAir_73_Soviet]
StartDefaultDate=1973
DefaultFor=CAP,INTERCEPT
Nation=SOVIET
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8

 

[AirToAir_75]
StartDefaultDate=1975
DefaultFor=CAP,INTERCEPT
Nation=SOVIET
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8

 

[AirToAirLongRange]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[AirToAirLongRange_73_Soviet]
StartDefaultDate=1973
DefaultFor=SWEEP,ESCORT
Nation=SOVIET
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[AirToAirLongRange_75]
StartDefaultDate=1975
DefaultFor=SWEEP,ESCORT
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[Attack]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

Loadout[01].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[sEAD]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=UB-16
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[Anti-Ship]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[03].Quantity=1
Loadout[04].WeaponType=FAB250
Loadout[04].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

[Recon]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[05].WeaponType=ReconPod
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

note the use of the sf2 "operational year" switch

[bigpig98 0]

it still only lets me have 1 per wing

 

heres the loadout.

 

[AirToAir]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[05].WeaponType=
Loadout[05].Quantity=0

[AirToAirLongRange]
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[01].Quantity=1
Loadout[02].WeaponType=AA-2D
Loadout[02].Quantity=1
Loadout[03].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[03].Quantity=2
Loadout[03].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[04].WeaponType=AA-8B
Loadout[04].Quantity=2
Loadout[04].RackType=2IR_AA-8
Loadout[05].WeaponType=Tank490_MiG21
Loadout[05].Quantity=1

 

and heres the data

 

[LeftWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=3
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=-2.01,-0.58,-0.39
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=1000.0
LengthLimit=3.5
AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,IRM,SAHM,CGR,2IR
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=WingPylon_L
PylonMass=60
PylonDragArea=0.02
LaunchRailNodeName=MissileRail_L
LaunchRailHeight=0.10
LaunchRailMass=25
RackSpecificStationCode=

[RightWingStation]
SystemType=WEAPON_STATION
StationID=4
StationGroupID=2
StationType=EXTERNAL
AttachmentPosition=2.01,-0.58,-0.39
AttachmentAngles=0.0,0.0,0.0
LoadLimit=1000.0
LengthLimit=3.5
AllowedWeaponClass=BOMB,RCKT,RP,IRM,SAHM,CGR,2IR
AttachmentType=WP,SOVIET
ModelNodeName=WingPylon_R
PylonMass=60
PylonDragArea=0.02
LaunchRailNodeName=MissileRail_R
LaunchRailHeight=0.10
LaunchRailMass=25
RackSpecificStationCode=

 

i think i did everything but this still happens

[Fubar512 1,350]

The question that no one has asked yet, what year are you flying in?

[Snailman 517]

I'm almost ready.... )

 

If you are using stock weaponry,  2IR_AA8 has the rackspecific setting you mentioned.  RackSpecificStationCode=RACK_AA-8

 

It is only loaded, if both the weapon station (on plane)  and the weapon has this entry.  (I modified so, there is no such setting anywhere).

 

 

I suggest you install this package of aam's into a clean weapons folder.

http://combatace.com/files/file/15125-red-side-standard-weapons-pack-aam-public-test-version/

 

I get back to you this evening with the new version.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT;

 

I think, the very first problem was caused by the missing/bad entry of the of the rack itself. So the 3D (LOD) not placed - the missiles were there, but rack not placed.  Something might have been overwritten the stock entry.

The second time, RACK_AA-8 entry prevented the loading of it, alltogether. 

 

Either try this test pack, or try to edit the 2IR_AA8 rack itself to see if it has faulty entries.



This is my version.

 

 

TypeName=2IR_AA-8
FullName=APU-60-II
ModelName=APU-60-II_L
Mass=60.000000
Diameter=0.258000
Length=1.792000
SubsonicDragCoeff=0.200000
SupersonicDragCoeff=0.770000
AttachmentType=SOVIET
SpecificStationCode=
NationName=SOVIET
StartYear=1955
EndYear=2020
Availability=2
BaseQuantity=2
Exported=TRUE
ExportStartYear=1955
ExportEndYear=2020
ExportAvailability=2
WeaponDataType=6
WeaponsRackType=2IR
NumWeapons=2
LoadLimit=50.000000
DiameterLimit=0.130000
LengthLimit=2.220000
MaxFuelAmount=0.000000
Attachment01Position=0.000000,0.000000,-0.129000
Attachment01Angle=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
Attachment02Position=-0.158000,0.000000,0.094000
Attachment02Angle=0.000000,0.000000,90.000000
Asymmetrical=TRUE
RightModelName=APU-60-II_R
AttachAtZero=FALSE
HideStationPylon=FALSE

 

 

EDIT2,  2IR_AA8 rack should be also in the weapon folder, like the rest of the weapons.  Just to make sure.  I don't know how the stock one works, I remember I had something with it myself that time.

Edited December 14, 2014 by Snailman

[bigpig98 0]

so for some reason now i cant choose 4 aphids in the loadouts screen so i cant tell if the original problem got fixed or not

[Wrench 9,847]

here's an idea ....

 

rename BOTH the data and loadout inis, so the game reverts to stock. pick a year to fly AFTER 1974, and see what happens

[bigpig98 0]

wait but i only have vietnam so i dont have stock mig21bis

[Wrench 9,847]

would have been nice to tell us that at the start, wouldn't it????

 

the bis and bisB are stock in SF2E.

[bigpig98 0]

sorry

[Snailman 517]

It is me, to say sorry.  If you had used the RSSW MiG-21MF,   in the loadout file, the rack name was mistyped...

 

[AirToAir_82]
StartDefaultDate=1982
DefaultFor=CAP,INTERCEPT
Loadout[01].WeaponType=AA-8
Loadout[01].Quantity=2
Loadout[01].RackType=2IR_AA8

 

The rack name is

 

Loadout[01].RackType=2IR_AA-8  

 

This typo causes the exact problem. If you load the missiles manually from the list, all worked fine, but the call from the ini caused this bug.